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Mamiya DM 33 and Leaf politic...
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GrahamWelland
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It's my understanding that the DM33 and Aptus II 7 are just rebranded versions of each other. The 75 & 75s are earlier generation backs with the dimmer LCD and earlier firmware etc. I'm pretty sure this came up before and Yair confirmed this.
Not having the Leaf update for the new UI would be a definite black mark against the DM33 version IMHO. I'm sure Yair or one of the Leaf dealers can confirm. (Heck I'd love to be able to put this on my Aptus 65 too!)
Not having the Leaf update for the new UI would be a definite black mark against the DM33 version IMHO. I'm sure Yair or one of the Leaf dealers can confirm. (Heck I'd love to be able to put this on my Aptus 65 too!)
GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
Well, you can't argue with that! I know that the hardware is supposed to be the same so I assume it's down to the firmware differences such as the Mamiya branding perhaps?
Paul Spinnler
Well-known member
price differentiation and brand protection.
yes but some dealers keep on saying : " that's a plain aptus II rebadged... " !
wentbackward
Member
I got the DM33 because it was really good value for money and still is. The camera is very versatile and I now have some incredible manual Mamiya lenses for peanuts. I could not be happier with what I have and what I've actually spent. As it is, it takes incredible pictures and any firmware issues that detracted from that have been fixed.
Steve Hendrix
Well-known member
This should not be the case and I will look into this.
Also to my knowledge there is no difference between the Aptus-II 7 and the DM-33 other than the name on the top and the method of distribution. Firmware differences should not exist (far as I know).
Steve Hendrix
Ben Rubinstein
Active member
Well apparently they do...
Steve Hendrix
Well-known member
Ok, so this has always been my understanding, and I re-confirmed this with a conversation today with Mamiya that the Mamiya DM Series and the Leaf Aptus-II Series are identical, with the exceptions of the name on the label and the distribution channel (and also that - at least in the USA - the Mamiya brands are only available in Mamiya mount, not also Contax, Hassy V, Hassy H). And a there's a few packaging differences.
But the digital backs themselves, functionally, hardware/firmware-wise, are identical, and as such, the Mamiya also is eligible to accept the new GUI update.
These are not to be confused with the Mamiya DL Series, sold some years ago before Leaf was acquired by Phase One, which are indeed the same as the Aptus S Series, and are not eligible for the GUI update.
Steve Hendrix
But the digital backs themselves, functionally, hardware/firmware-wise, are identical, and as such, the Mamiya also is eligible to accept the new GUI update.
These are not to be confused with the Mamiya DL Series, sold some years ago before Leaf was acquired by Phase One, which are indeed the same as the Aptus S Series, and are not eligible for the GUI update.
Steve Hendrix
Steve Hendrix
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I'm sorry, I'm wrong on this.
First off - there are different firmwares for the Leaf Aptus-II and Mamiya DM Series backs. Necessarily - for example, different menus and screens are enabled to display Mamiya instead of Leaf on a DM back for tethered and un-tethered operation. So this is correct, the firmware is different for (mostly) minor reasons that are specific to each back brand.
But it is also true that for now, the new GUI is only for Leaf Aptus-II and AFi-II backs (with serial #'s starting in LI). My guess - and at this point it is only a guess until I hear more specifically - is that Mamiya DM backs will be able to utilize the new GUI at some point in the future. But I do not have confirmation of this yet.
The DM Series does accept a firmware update from LC 11.5 that performs a few miscellaneous bug fixes, but does not incorporate the new GUI, Lens Calibration for CF Card, or the accelerated startup. So, my hope is that this will be enabled at some point. I cannot see how it would make any sense for them not to. We'll see.
Steve Hendrix
"So, my hope is that this will be enabled at some point. I cannot see how it would make any sense for them not to. "
i still can't understand why i have to save my leaf aptus 22 files, in a compressed version to be able to use the LCC tool in capture Ona pro... so, this have nothing to do with common sense !
i still can't understand why i have to save my leaf aptus 22 files, in a compressed version to be able to use the LCC tool in capture Ona pro... so, this have nothing to do with common sense !
GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
Hey, at least C1 doesn't crash when you load them now
The other interesting thing is that if you save the files as uncompressed in camera and then convert them to compressed in Leaf Capture, C1 Pro won't allow you to use your new compressed version for LCC's. It seems only to like virgin files from the back and not compressed files from Leaf Capture. 
yaya
Active member
If you look at the metadata in C1 you will notice that "virgin" files show RAW as a format while the other ones show MOS.
LCC only works on RAW files.
If your workflow requires LCC in C1 then you should stick to RAW compressed (shot to CF card or tethered to C1) and skip Leaf Capture. If at any point you need to go through Adobe then you can use the RAW converter for that
LCC only works on RAW files.
If your workflow requires LCC in C1 then you should stick to RAW compressed (shot to CF card or tethered to C1) and skip Leaf Capture. If at any point you need to go through Adobe then you can use the RAW converter for that