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Article on Phase IQ 180 on german Photoscala.de

Stefan Steib

Active member

Christopher

Active member
Sorry, but this alonw kills the whole test "Hinweis: Die folgenden Aussagen und Auswertungen beziehen sich auf mit den Standardeinstellungen in Capture One 6 entwickelte JPEG-Fotos. Mit einer anderen Abstimmung in Capture One oder einem anderer RAW-Konverter können die Entwicklungs-Ergebnisse auch anders gewichtet ausfallen. Etwa: Weniger Rauschen, dafür aber auch weniger Auflösung."

I says so much as the test was done by converting the files to JPG without any editing. Or one could say it is like throwing aways most of the data.
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Hi Christopher

right, but he also writes that using these differing settings the resolution will go down - the standard settings are optimized for a maximum resolution.
It´s a bit like a table cloth that does not completely cover the table, if you pull one corner to cover, the other one will get uncovered.

Regards
Stefan
 

Christopher

Active member
He is wrong. Resolution has very little to do with dynamic range. I can certainly keep the same Resolution in my IQ180 shots and optimize the DR a lot. I don't think the standard settings are optimized very well. Way to much sharpening lot's of DR wasted.
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Hi Christopher

Sorry here you err completely. see wikipedias definition of optical resolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_resolution

which per se is also valid for a digital recording system of that information:

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Measuring optical resolution

A variety of measurement systems are available, and use may depend upon the system being tested.
Typical test charts for Contrast Transfer Function (CTF) consist of repeated bar patterns (see Discussion below). The limiting resolution is measured by determining the smallest group of bars, both vertically and horizontally, for which the correct number of bars can be seen. By calculating the contrast between the black and white areas at several different frequencies, however, points of the CTF can be determined with the contrast equation.

where
Cmax is the normalized value of the maximum (for example, the voltage or grey value of the white area)Cmin is the normalized value of the minimum (for example, the voltage or grey value of the black area) When the system can no longer resolve the bars, the black and white areas have the same value, so Contrast = 0. At very low spatial frequencies, Cmax = 1 and Cmin = 0 so Modulation = 1. Some modulation may be seen above the limiting resolution; these may be aliased and phase-reversed.
When using other methods, including the interferogram, sinusoid, and the edge in the ISO 12233 target, it is possible to compute the entire MTF curve. The response to the edge is similar to a step response, and the Fourier Transform of the first difference of the step response yields the MTF.
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So contrast (which is another word for dynamic range if you want to call it like this) is used to measure resolution !


What you mean is visual improvement of dynamic range , but this ALWAYS lowers resolution by using Imaging algorythms that take information from one part of the resolved data set to compute it into another visible information (which as 80MPix do have plenty of reserve - used with the right lenses - may not be visible at first).
these transformations are also lossy - so there is no such thing as a free improvement in one area, most of the time you even cut off information
(see Histogramm after applying Photoshop Gradation). This does not change if you do it in 16 Bit raw processing (C1), it´s only less obvious.



Regards
Stefan
 
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jotloob

Subscriber Member
. . . .
Die folgenden Aussagen und Auswertungen beziehen sich auf mit den Standardeinstellungen in Capture One 6 entwickelte JPEG-Fotos. Mit einer anderen Abstimmung in Capture One oder einem anderer RAW-Konverter können die Entwicklungs-Ergebnisse auch anders gewichtet ausfallen. . . .

Or you could also say :
Wenn der Hahn kräht auf dem Mist , ändert sich das Wetter , oder es bleibt wie es ist .
I do love such statements .:ROTFL::ROTFL::ROTFL:
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Hallo Jürgen

Passt schon......... - Stimmt aber nicht.
It´s OK - but it doesn´t fit.

To save a file in JPG does not mean you are losing any visible information against a Tiff especially if you take into account that in reality digital camera chips are only taking/processing/reaching about 6 bit of data for distinguishable steps of signal processing.It is lossy but JPEG is by far good enough to represent this on a monitor or a print.
So what would have been different if Anders Uschold would have saved the files to Tif ? Nothing. His statements will nevertheless stay valid.

Grüße aus München
Stefan
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
LOL. You got that right. Thanks was not sure if the STC actually replaced it or just a addition to the line.
 
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