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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Alpa TC + 35mm xl + P1 IQ 180 handheld

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Ditto redux


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    First day with my SK 120N. Wow, what an amazing lens It is among the sharpest I have seen and renders beautifully.

    This one with sun in the back, underexposed half a stop and 5mm rise.



    This one deep in the woods with sunrays filtered through the trees. No shift.



    This lens has instantly become a favorite.
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    Is this the short barrel version
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    No, it's standard barrel.
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    I had to go down to my studio to try out the SK 120N with strobes and closeup limit of the lens. It is the version where infinity is optimized, but I have to say that it is not too shabby closeup either.
    This is heavily cropped and at 1.2 metres. One strobe from behind (no sh_t) 1/60 @f22.

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    I had to go down to my studio to try out the SK 120N with strobes and closeup limit of the lens. It is the version where infinity is optimized, but I have to say that it is not too shabby closeup either.
    This is heavily cropped and at 1.2 metres. One strobe from behind (no sh_t) 1/60 @f22.


    I eagerly wait the delivery of my SK120N
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    Very tempting lens
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    Very tempting lens
    aren't they all!

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    I found two walls joining interesting from a graphical perspective. I set up the camera deadcentre, took my time and measured distance and exposure. Then I waited, and waited, and waited until somebody would pass by. Finally somebody did

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    I eagerly wait the delivery of my SK120N
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    The SK 120N is mindblowing!

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    I enjoyed the thread.

    IMHO, and please don't take this personally, but the current trend of separating MF images based on "what camera" you might be using (we now have 3, technical, Pentax 645, and everyone else) sort of flies in the face of the forum in general. I suppose we could create a hasselblad thread and a DF thread ... but to me it seems keeping them all in one thread will keep the thread fresh and diverse and more interesting.

    just my 2 cents worth (and I know that is 2 cents more than my opinion is actually worth )

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    Tend to agree one thread and like always post what you used. Sometimes people like to know what lens and system. I always post Back and lens used, I think it helps people see what a 110 looks like and such. Just my 2 cents

    Frankly I just love looking at the art.
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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    A dissent: I think that tech cameras might be an exception. The photos often show the effect of the use of a particular lens or movement. There are threads that contain literally thousands of posts and photos, often repeated over and over with comments about how great they are. I'd hate to have to look through something like that to see if a particular lens can be shifted 15mm.

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    A dissent: I think that tech cameras might be an exception. The photos often show the effect of the use of a particular lens or movement. There are threads that contain literally thousands of posts and photos, often repeated over and over with comments about how great they are. I'd hate to have to look through something like that to see if a particular lens can be shifted 15mm.
    While true, I don't think that is the purpose of threads like this. If you want to know how well a lens shifts, you would be much better off just asking ... I think you'll find on this forum you'll get some very good answers very quickly that are more useful for that purpose.

    I agree the thread gets pretty long and it would be nice if you quote a previous post if just a thumbnail would show up instead of the large image ... but I still enjoy looking through them and really don't care what system took them since at these sizes it's doubtful you can really see much difference between them.

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    Greetings Dan,

    Your work is quite interesting and inspiring!

    Here is another with Alpa SWA, Schneider 120 and lots of extensions.

    Attachment 48359


    Best Regards,
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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    I guess the question is what you think the purpose of "threads like this" is.

    There's a "Fun with MF Images" thread that has more than 7000 posts. Can't there be a more limited thread? There are a whole series of threads of Leica and Nikon and Micro 4/3 photos.

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    My initial hope was that folks would use this thread to share some of the technical information, like how much and what type of lens movements were used. Without that data, there is no real reason to have this thread separate from the generic MF images thread IMHO.
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    I think that this is a better alternative than an arca plus an alpa plus a cambo, plus a whatever set of threads and BTW nothing prevents you from posting in the main MF images thread if there is no particular "tech-ish" facet to the image posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    I found two walls joining interesting from a graphical perspective. I set up the camera deadcentre, took my time and measured distance and exposure. Then I waited, and waited, and waited until somebody would pass by. Finally somebody did

    SK 72L, no shift, 1/8 @f22

    Dan,

    I very much enjoy your use of gestalt principles in your images. I like this one a lot.

    I find myself being inspired by this thread to continue to simplify my compositions.
    Last edited by GrahamWelland; 2nd September 2011 at 12:04.
    Ylem ...

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    A few arial shots using the IQ180, Cambo RS, HR 32mm. (Handheld of course)





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    Ed, great series, but that first one is spectacular!
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    > A few arial shots using the IQ180, Cambo RS, HR 32mm. (Handheld of course)

    Ed, those are great shots ! What ISO, f and shutter speed did you use? Thanks.

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    Ed, really nice! I like all of them, but the very last one might be my favorite.

    Graham, thanks, gestalt principles I studied 20 years ago and I guess some of it stuck!!


    Paul, thanks for your compliment. Your image looks great, it would actually be of great help if you could post focus distance with a 6.5 extension or a 16 or a 34? Meaning only one of the extensions mentioned on the camera.

    Some opinions on the thread. Well, my intention was to create an "Alpa" gallery, having seen that there was a Pentax thread doing solo. This was changed quite quickly to become a generel "Tech cam" thread. Not what I had in mind, but as you can see I have kept at it. I thought that it would be a faster way to find images shot with tech lenses and shifts. Now, I know that I have written lens used, shifts, shutterspeed and fstop on some but not all, that is because I never take notes so when not stated, I cannot remember.

    Here's what I'll do. I post this last image, then I will not post any more in this thread (for now). My intention was definitely not to have my own personal gallery in one thread (thanks woody and Ed to chip in). If there really is no interest of my thread, then it dies a natural death and everyone can again concentrate on the huge generic image thread.

    This image was shot yesterday with the 72L and 15mm rise. 1/60 f11 iso50
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    Wow, the photograph of the tree is absolutely stunning!! I love it...the other are also great, but that tree!

    cheers,
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    Dan, please do not stop posting your work is joy to see.

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    Dan, please do not stop posting your work is joy to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post

    Some opinions on the thread. Well, my intention was to create an "Alpa" gallery, having seen that there was a Pentax thread doing solo. This was changed quite quickly to become a generel "Tech cam" thread. Not what I had in mind, but as you can see I have kept at it. I thought that it would be a faster way to find images shot with tech lenses and shifts. Now, I know that I have written lens used, shifts, shutterspeed and fstop on some but not all, that is because I never take notes so when not stated, I cannot remember.

    Here's what I'll do. I post this last image, then I will not post any more in this thread (for now). My intention was definitely not to have my own personal gallery in one thread (thanks woody and Ed to chip in). If there really is no interest of my thread, then it dies a natural death and everyone can again concentrate on the huge generic image thread.
    Dan let me address the complete front page setup on how the forum is designed. First in 35mm we have that split up into OEM categories , canon/Nikon/Sony Etc. which by far are very popular forums. But on the same handle did not do this in lets say small sensor forum with all the brands listed as forum titles. We also did not do this with 4/3rds forum either with Oly, Pana etc. Obviously by the time we did all that the front end on this forum would be like reading war and peace.

    MF forum it has been grouped as one just like many others here. Now lets think about this a thread with Tech cams makes sense SINCE the title of it is images, which the thread intention is to show images. Please tell me if your showing images what makes any difference if this image is shot from a Alpa , Arca or Cambo. Linhof, Sinar absolutely none. We all use the same lenses. So on image threads it makes no sense if we are talking images. Now if your talking technology, function and the use of a Alpa than a thread on that makes perfect sense since it is about Alpa products.

    Now thinking about this we put the S2 images in the leica forum. We should have the Pentax 645 in the same Pentax forum and guess what am going to move it , since now i realize that was a mistake for not doing it in the first place. Its a Pentax it goes in Pentax.

    Alpa , Arca, Cambo and others go under MF. Just like Oly, Pana etc go under 4/3rds. This forum was built around sensor sizes more as the headliners.

    Now that is how it should be. On your Alpa image thread in my opinion makes zero sense as than we will have Cambo, Arca etc and than every other area that is grouped people will follow suit with Oly,Pana threads. Bottom line you won't find anything we start doing that. This is NOT a personal affront this is keeping this site organized and efficient. I hope this makes sense but this is how the forum was originally intended to be and we like to keep it organized. I just can't see having 150 OEM image threads as beneficial to that end. This is how I feel and Jack may have another opinion on this but this is how him and I envisioned this site to start with. We WILL make changes to this site but it needs to make sense. This does not. Guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    A dissent: I think that tech cameras might be an exception. The photos often show the effect of the use of a particular lens or movement. There are threads that contain literally thousands of posts and photos, often repeated over and over with comments about how great they are. I'd hate to have to look through something like that to see if a particular lens can be shifted 15mm.
    +1

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    Dave (dchew),

    Your photo of the dunes is prefect as is. The viewer is drawn into where the sky and dunes meet, the subtle muted colors of the dune are precise and delicate, anything more would be distracting. Sometimes it's tricky to show scale in these kind of photographs, but your use of softer contrast allows me to walk around the photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnygoesdigital View Post
    +1
    On the same hand a canon 24 tse lens is not a normal image in regards to tech. They do basically the same functions as a tech cam. So do we have a image thread on TSE. Folks do you see where this is going. A million threads and finding data makes it impossible. Now if Fred went out and shot the 3 TSE lenses and had data to share on how he did this or that technically along with images than a thread like that would be great. I plan on doing exactly that in a week images with real technically data on some products. My point here is the MF is under a group without specific brands. We are all brothers and sisters under this blanket but for instance the MF image thread is a catch all on any MF camera image and even a tech cam image can go there it is not specific but the tech cam image thread has tech cam images which are specific to a technology based cam not a brand. So putting a DF image in here would be wrong since it is not specific to a tech cam.

    The forum is organized by format and in 35mm also by brand specific since that format is 95 percent of the format dominance and frankly many other forums are exactly like us. Go look

    Bottom line this is how this forum is setup , we cannot just change the layout of it but we can organize and make some adjustments. The tech cam is a different style in MF so a image thread on it seems okay since it has become popular in MF. But having a Alpa image thread alone would completely screw up the original thoughts and direction on how we where formed. If we did one than we have to do many and that ain't going to happen. Sorry but we have to think logical and we are built by many cultures here and we need to keep it simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    SK 120N
    Hi, Is this a new digitar, or is it SK 120M (macro)?
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    Already found answer; it is "normal" Digitar 120 N

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optechs Digital View Post
    Greetings Dan,

    Your work is quite interesting and inspiring!

    Here is another with Alpa SWA, Schneider 120 and lots of extensions.

    Attachment 48359


    Best Regards,
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    Paul - very nice. How are your focusing?

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    Ditto


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    I really like the repeated patterns in the fire escapes and shadows. Keeping the pedestrians in the scene adds scale. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Woody,

    I really like the repeated patterns in the fire escapes and shadows. Keeping the pedestrians in the scene adds scale. Well done.

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    Joe - thanks.

    What I liked about this particular afternoon was the Edward Hopper light, which the IQ 180 expresses very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    My initial hope was that folks would use this thread to share some of the technical information, like how much and what type of lens movements were used. Without that data, there is no real reason to have this thread separate from the generic MF images thread IMHO.
    We should keep the thread alive as a tech cam thread because these images support a lot of "how did you do that" questions, which are really useful as we all refine out tech cam techniques, and are really common to all tech cam shooters. The issues are quite different that the issues faced by other medium format shooters.

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    Agree Woody, that is the idea, sharing the how behind the results (when warranted) and our hope was this thread would be that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    Yes!

    I love how much this image seems so much about process as well as (excellent artistic!) vision... it must have been a great experience taking it.

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    Thanks for the compliments. This thread has some awesome images. When someone slips far enough over edge to invest in a tech camera, they are obviously the type to push the limits of tehnology, technique and vision and it shows in the images posted.

    I have been doing increasing amounts of aerial photography. I have found the best results keeping things as simple as possible. The lens is pegged to infinity and ISO adjusted as low as possible to keep the shutter in the 125-250 range. I then dial in small exposure adjustments with aperture varying from f/8 to f/11 in most cases.

    In some cases you don't have time to look at the histogram so I rely on experience. If we are turning to face the sun I may bump to f/16 and f/5.6 in deep clouds. Every few minutes I'll double check everything to make sure I haven't gotten messed up.

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    Paul - very nice. How are your focusing?
    Thank you Woody,

    I did all focus and compose on the Ground Glass. I think I used three 34mm ext tubes. But the first 34mm tube is just to make the 120 short barrel lens a normal barrel lens. So it is just two actual extensions of a total of 68mm.

    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Dan let me address the complete front page setup on how the forum is designed. First in 35mm we have that split up into OEM categories , canon/Nikon/Sony Etc. which by far are very popular forums. But on the same handle did not do this in lets say small sensor forum with all the brands listed as forum titles. We also did not do this with 4/3rds forum either with Oly, Pana etc. Obviously by the time we did all that the front end on this forum would be like reading war and peace.

    MF forum it has been grouped as one just like many others here. Now lets think about this a thread with Tech cams makes sense SINCE the title of it is images, which the thread intention is to show images. Please tell me if your showing images what makes any difference if this image is shot from a Alpa , Arca or Cambo. Linhof, Sinar absolutely none. We all use the same lenses. So on image threads it makes no sense if we are talking images. Now if your talking technology, function and the use of a Alpa than a thread on that makes perfect sense since it is about Alpa products.

    Now thinking about this we put the S2 images in the leica forum. We should have the Pentax 645 in the same Pentax forum and guess what am going to move it , since now i realize that was a mistake for not doing it in the first place. Its a Pentax it goes in Pentax.

    Alpa , Arca, Cambo and others go under MF. Just like Oly, Pana etc go under 4/3rds. This forum was built around sensor sizes more as the headliners.

    Now that is how it should be. On your Alpa image thread in my opinion makes zero sense as than we will have Cambo, Arca etc and than every other area that is grouped people will follow suit with Oly,Pana threads. Bottom line you won't find anything we start doing that. This is NOT a personal affront this is keeping this site organized and efficient. I hope this makes sense but this is how the forum was originally intended to be and we like to keep it organized. I just can't see having 150 OEM image threads as beneficial to that end. This is how I feel and Jack may have another opinion on this but this is how him and I envisioned this site to start with. We WILL make changes to this site but it needs to make sense. This does not. Guy
    Guy, I think it does make sense what you write. To be honest it was actually the standalone Pentax thread that triggered me, but I agree with you that a "Tech cam images" is more logical.

    Thanks for your detailed explanation! Appreciated
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    Thank you Dan, appreciate your understanding. Guy
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    Salisbury Cathedral

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    Extremely nice John! I see that you have 15mm shift, I have found that is about the limit with the SK 35XL before the shifted far end gets soft and stretched. Is that you ropinion too, or do you go further when needed?
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    This shot is from yesterday and it felt almost surreal with the light. Just above my frame, the clouds got much thinner and the sun lit up the rocks but the island in the distance was shaded.

    I have no shift, but I tried a new Heliopan ND 6.6 stop filter on top of my my centrefilter for the 35XL. I am happy to see no artifacts of stacking these two filters.

    The rocks part was shot at 7 seconds f11 iso50. The sky/clouds was a second shot with half of the exposure time and then blended to about 75%. I had to do this because the sky/clouds were blown with the first exposure, but the endresult is very close to how it looked for real.

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    This is one of those images that seems to break with convention, and be a winner nonetheless. Well done. I'm assuming you focused using the hyperfocal distance to keep all of the foreground in focus. Did you use Capture One for your b&w conversion?

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    Extremely nice John! I see that you have 15mm shift, I have found that is about the limit with the SK 35XL before the shifted far end gets soft and stretched. Is that you ropinion too, or do you go further when needed?
    Dan. Thanks, yes 15mm shift is about the max with the SK 35mm -- I think the max I've ever used successfully with this lens is 17mm shift. I also have a SK 47mm with which I can do 25mm shift when necessary. Best, John

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    I would like to see a separate forum for tech cameras - of all types. I agree that images shown should make reference to lens and movement and back

    The reason is that there are now a lot more people on this forum using the various types of tech camera and there is a whole bunch of information regarding each camera and brand and associated gizmos which would be nice to have in one forum

    I have no axe to grind regarding photos posted - since I enjoy them irrespective of format/back/manufacturer etc and probably the #1 thing that makes me wince and cringe is when someone sees a photo they like and say something to the effect oh what a great lens!!

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