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    So does everyone get that "ahh... so THIS is what it's all about" moment when looking at the first photo they've taken with a tech cam?

    Sure, for me it was. I was given a Linhof SuperTechnica 4x5 on my 14th birthday - 30 years on I am still an avid user of tech cams. Difficult to imagine 'only' having/using an ordinary dslr. Yes, I have had a few along the way, but the thought of not having a tech cam has never crossed my mind. No way.

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    Sure, for me it was. I was given a Linhof SuperTechnica 4x5 on my 14th birthday - 30 years on I am still an avid user of tech cams. Difficult to imagine 'only' having/using an ordinary dslr. Yes, I have had a few along the way, but the thought of not having a tech cam has never crossed my mind. No way.

    Your images are always a pleasure to look at Dan, but this one really stands out for me.
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    Dan, this is one is super nice!!

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    3 shot stitch from Autopano Giga. Full size is 200MP.

    Need to re-look at the blending on this.



    100% crop:


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    Impressive Gerald! Does software keystone vertical lines? Suppose you need quite a bit of computer power....

    Shortpballer & Rayyen, thanks guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    So does everyone get that "ahh... so THIS is what it's all about" moment when looking at the first photo they've taken with a tech cam?

    Gerald,

    I still get a chill down my spine when I open up images from my IQ160 (or any back actually)/Alpa with either SK or Rodie's. Literally a 'holy crap' moment when I see the staggering detail that you just don't see even on the IQ's LCD.

    Btw, you're a stud in my book mounting a TC on an automated pano mount. Now THAT's panoramic shooting! I assume that you've got no auto linkage in place - just using the mount to position and then you manually fire correct?
    Last edited by GrahamWelland; 6th September 2012 at 12:15. Reason: just realized that Gerald uses a different Pano device
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    3 shot stitch from Autopano Giga. Full size is 200MP.

    Need to re-look at the blending on this.

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    Gerald,

    Are you shooting an LCC? It looks like light fall off across the individual frames which even autopano can't fix. LCC correction would even that out and improve the blend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Gerald,

    I still get a chill down my spine when I open up images from my IQ160 (or any back actually)/Alpa with either SK or Rodie's. Literally a 'holy crap' moment when I see the staggering detail that you just don't see even on the IQ's LCD.
    My only worry is that this is the start of a very slippery, and expensive, slope. I'm already planning my next couple of lens purchases

    Btw, you're a stud in my book mounting a TC on an automated pano mount. Now THAT's panoramic shooting! I assume that you've got no auto linkage in place - just using the mount to position and then you manually fire correct?
    Correct - manually cock the shutter, hit the wake-up button, fire the shutter, move on to the next position. With the 70mm, it will take 92 shots to do a full spherical pano. Depending on the weather, I may try to shoot one tomorrow morning. The new hand-held control for the Rodenstock e-shutter can't come soon enough

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Gerald,

    Are you shooting an LCC? It looks like light fall off across the individual frames which even autopano can't fix. LCC correction would even that out and improve the blend.
    No, and you're absolutely correct. I'll shoot an LCC to correct the vignetting tomorrow, and re-stitch.

    Here's a crop from a 20-shot pano I took an hour or so before that one:

    Virtual Tour generated by Panotour

    As the URL suggests, that's a quick rough-stitch. I'll work on fixing the vignetting on that one as well.

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    LCC'd and re-stitched
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    92 shots from the TC/70HR/IQ180. 4.2 gigapixels.

    Slap bang in the middle of the day, and hazy (although certainly an improvement on last week).

    I'll try to drag myself out of bed earlier next week, and do another one of these when the light is better.

    No processing on the images - I will play with these and see if I can improve things somewhat (open to suggestions!).

    Virtual Tour generated by Panotour
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    The way-too-photographed Haystack Rock in Cannon Beach, Oregon.

    Alpa STC, 70HR-W, IQ180. No shift but a little cropping...

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    And this one about 15 minutes later. Same info as before. Actually had the Gitzo 3541XLS fully extended for this one. Strained to see the LCD screen and bubble levels on the cube. And I'm 6'5"

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    Lovely!
    Time for an Alpa MAX!!
    :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    And this one about 15 minutes later. Same info as before. Actually had the Gitzo 3541XLS fully extended for this one. Strained to see the LCD screen and bubble levels on the cube. And I'm 6'5"

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Quote Originally Posted by rga View Post
    Lovely!
    Time for an Alpa MAX!!
    :-)

    Bob
    I wouldn't argue about the desire for a MAX but the slightly cheaper option is a plate on the handle side of the STC and use rise/fall

    Ps. That looks like fine Oregon coast summer weather!
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    True, unless you also want shift...
    (Hey, I'm trying to get someone to spend more money than me here, Graham!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I wouldn't argue about the desire for a MAX but the slightly cheaper option is a plate on the handle side of the STC and use rise/fall

    Ps. That looks like fine Oregon coast summer weather!
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    Nice sandals
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post
    Nice sandals
    I wonder where the rest of the body is buried
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I wouldn't argue about the desire for a MAX but the slightly cheaper option is a plate on the handle side of the STC and use rise/fall

    Ps. That looks like fine Oregon coast summer weather!
    Ha! Good point :}
    I kept raising the camera to get a steeper angle on the ocean. After I extended the tripod and took a test shot I realized I could have attained more of that perspective by tilting the camera down and shifting up. But by then I was set up and the tide was moving out fast. One of those, "Oh yeah, duh!" moments!

    As for the weather, I think it was 90 degrees in Portland that day, and everyone said the warmer it is inland the more the marine layer gets pulled in along the coast. It really was great weather though. We had a little of everything - dense fog, blue skies, and a nice mix. I'll post a few more in the next few days

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I wonder where the rest of the body is buried
    Oops. Time to hide the evidence

    Virtual Tour generated by Panotour

    (some gentle processing on the files, and a few stitching errors corrected. Still not quite 100% though!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Oops. Time to hide the evidence

    Virtual Tour generated by Panotour

    (some gentle processing on the files, and a few stitching errors corrected. Still not quite 100% though!)
    No worries - we've got the registration plate of the prime suspect
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    Eastern State Penitentiary
    Arca Swiss and H4D50 back with 32mm Rodenstock lens at f11
    ISO 200 on all images-various apertures to create HDR's-mostly exposures exceeding 10 seconds
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    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    Eastern State Penitentiary
    Arca Swiss and H4D50 back with 32mm Rodenstock lens at f11
    ISO 200 on all images-various apertures to create HDR's-mostly exposures exceeding 10 seconds
    Stanley
    What HDR software did you use?

    The third one is nice, as it had more modelling, and is not as flat as is typical with HDR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dick View Post
    What HDR software did you use?

    The third one is nice, as it had more modelling, and is not as flat as is typical with HDR.
    I used "Bracketeer"

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    Another one from last week.

    This is a 15 shot pano, much reduced in size!



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    Evening all

    Here's a couple of recent experiments with B&W and square crops, all taken with STC, P25+ and either 72mm or 47mm.





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    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    Eastern State Penitentiary
    Arca Swiss and H4D50 back with 32mm Rodenstock lens at f11
    ISO 200 on all images-various apertures to create HDR's-mostly exposures exceeding 10 seconds
    Stanley
    Stanley, it would be really interesting to see a worked up none HDR version of these shots. Your blending is very good but the flat lighting nature of HRD has totally killed the chilling mood I'm sure the place had.

    Needs more drama, shafts of light, dark moody corners..... IMO of course.

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    Hi Gareth,

    Thank you for your comments, but this prison was constructed in the late 1800's and is mostly lit with skylights. As a result, there is a 6 stop difference between the shafts of light and the darkest shadows. I have spent several hours trying to achieve a more dramatic effect without HDR or Fusion, but at this point I haven't been able to come up with much that I like.
    However, based on your opinion, I will try again. If I come up with anything reasonable, I will repost
    Thank you again for your comments,
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    Emerald Pool, Black Sand Basin, Yellowstone National Park.



    A work in progress- 3-shot pano using Cambo WRS/IQ160 and a SK35mm.

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    It is 1998 in July, late afternoon. I'm driving a Land Rover Defender outside of Córdoba, Spain. No A/C in the 4x4 and it is terribly hot. The sun is punishing everything and everybody down below. My watersupply is about to end and I am dizzy. Thinking that, this is it, I'll call it a day and look for an airconditioned hotel and put myself in the bar with a cold beer after a long cold shower.

    Blinded by this thought I am concentrated on the countryroad leading back to Córdoba Town. Almost there, a bus has turned over and blocking the road. Sitting in a 4x4 Defender I was tempted to simply go around the whole accident (which I easily could have) but there were quite a lot of people already and I felt that a manouver like that could be offensive. As far I could tell the bus was empty except for the driver and he seemed ok, so no concerns on injured people.

    Oh well, I'll sit it out. Sweating away with all windows down. Going easy on the little amount of water I still have. After several minutes I turn my head to the right and see farmland in a very typically graphical layout that really always catches my attention. Thinking to myself, 'could be a nice one', but don't have the strength to do something about it.

    When half an hour has lapsed and I can see the difficulty the rescueteam has to get the bus out of the way I decide to kill a few minutes with a shot over the field.
    I stumble out of the door and unfold my big heavy Gitzo by the side of the road. Take out the mighty Fuji GX 680 III and change lens to the 250mm. Isolating the field completely. Standing on the roadside (slightly above the field) I put on a 5mm fall and add around 2 degrees front tilt. With the camera loaded with Velvia 50 (always) I get a reading of 1/125 & f16 from the Sekonic 508. And bang...there it is. A photograph made almost 15 years ago and it still works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    LCC'd and re-stitched
    Huge improvement on the blening. That is one awe inspiring construction.
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    2 shot pano this shrouded building I have shown before in many incarnations
    IQ160 SK 120, (not quite calibrated for perfect focus at inf) a bit of shift vertically

    Last edited by jlm; 15th September 2012 at 07:53.

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    another view, a bit of shift
    2 shot panio, processed in autopano as PS showed a seam

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    8 shot pano of the Navy Yard, about a 130 degree view, with the SK120


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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Stanley, it would be really interesting to see a worked up none HDR version of these shots. Your blending is very good but the flat lighting nature of HRD has totally killed the chilling mood I'm sure the place had.

    Needs more drama, shafts of light, dark moody corners..... IMO of course.
    repost ---no HDR

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    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    repost ---no HDR
    Stanley,
    Personal preference, but I would like the hdr versions better if it wasn't for the green. I like the colors better in your second post. Was the green cast a product of the hdr process, or did you also tweak colors between these posts?

    Very cool stuff regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    Stanley,
    Personal preference, but I would like the hdr versions better if it wasn't for the green. I like the colors better in your second post. Was the green cast a product of the hdr process, or did you also tweak colors between these posts?

    Very cool stuff regardless.

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    Hi Dave,

    The green cast was initiated by the HDR process. Thank you for your comments.
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    Cambo WRS AE; IQ 180; Rodenstock 40HR
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    The Bowery at Dusk. I keep telling myself that practice will improve things, but I'm having a very hard time isolating subjects in the city with a wide angle. I'd appreciate it if the rest of you would stop making this look easy.

    Cambo WRS AE/IQ140/SK 35XL+CF, 2 seconds at f/11

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    The Bowery at Dusk. I keep telling myself that practice will improve things, but I'm having a very hard time isolating subjects in the city with a wide angle. I'd appreciate it if the rest of you would stop making this look easy.

    Cambo WRS AE/IQ140/SK 35XL+CF, 2 seconds at f/11

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    I would have tried to use rear swing (or camera orientation) to make the white building taller (or even the same in-picture height) as the red one.

    or you could have made the near side of the building squarer, so that you do not get the sharp near corner that makes it so obvious that the pic was taken with a very wide angle.

    You have to ask yourself if the subject is the building or the street.

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    Dick,

    Good points, and I thank you. Asking these questions before taking the shot - seeing alternatives in a scene - does not yet come naturally. It is easy for the masters to stress "previsualization", but it is another thing in practice.

    --Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by dick View Post
    I would have tried to use rear swing (or camera orientation) to make the white building taller (or even the same in-picture height) as the red one.
    Dick,
    As an architect and architectural photographer for fifty years I can tell you this
    is a very nice picture and a very difficult one to shoot from that angle, this a
    historic area and it's very difficult even to find a platform to set the camera, and changing
    the scale of the building by any mean is the worst thing that you can do.
    BTW, swing doesn't do what you have in mind.
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    Manouch,

    You got me! I was on the second floor terrace, so I did have a better platform, but very limited options for camera placement.

    Thank you for your kind words,

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    Quote Originally Posted by manouch shirzad View Post
    Dick,
    As an architect and architectural photographer for fifty years I can tell you this
    is a very nice picture and a very difficult one to shoot from that angle, this a
    historic area and it's very difficult even to find a platform to set the camera, and changing
    the scale of the building by any mean is the worst thing that you can do.
    BTW, swing doesn't do what you have in mind.
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    It is possible to change perspective with rear swing on "proper" view cameras... and this technique can be used to eliminate large areas of empty sky.

    On cameras without rear swing, you can achieve the same result by orienting the camera before you start to set movements and focus ... but it is very convenient, using a good view camera with yaw-free rear swing, to be able to fine-tune the perspective and take different versions of the picture without starting the whole set-up process again.

    ¿Do you like to wide-angle shots to look hideously distorted so that it is obvious that the shot was taken with a wide-angle lens?

    "Historic" may be relative. ¿When did they start building in America?

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    I think Matt's image is fine. It is possible to change perspective with a rear swing. A swing would only distort the image more--while it reduces the perspective on one side of those buildings, it would emphasize it on the other. No movements will hide the fact you are using a wide lens--that is a projection issue that cannot be solved with camera movements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    It is possible to change perspective with a rear swing. A swing would only distort the image more--while it reduces the perspective on one side of those buildings.
    That's true if you use a view camera and follow the Sheimflug law, but as far as I know with this Tech camera you can only swing the lens which helps to get better sharpness in some cases.
    Best,
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    Manouch,

    I don't have tilts or swings with this lens panel, but I could have achieved the perspective change Dick mentioned by re-aiming the camera and then shifting the lens horizontally.

    Still, I don't think there's anything much I would have changed. I agree with Shashin! Of course, I'm still trying to learn how to use the tech camera, and experimentation is key. The problem was that I was a dinner guest and didn't have much time to experiment!

    I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not to get a longer lens for this camera. I think (possibly incorrectly) that the shifts matter more at the wide end, and so I may try to get away with stitching with the Olympus 45/1.8 for high MP mid-telephoto compositions.

    But wait! Why are we talking about photography? Aren't we supposed to be expressing outrage at Hasselblad?

    Best,

    Matt

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    How are you liking the IQ140 Matt?
    Bryan

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    Aside from a lingering case of IQ160 envy, it's great.

    How is yours treating you, Bryan?

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    Poor Victor

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    Evening

    I hope everyone is well.

    Here's a shot from the Isle of Skye, STC, P25+ and 47mm



    Check out my fancy new border!
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