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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    No club actually, just a bunch of old farts who have known each other since before this forum existed.
    Kind of the same thing, isn't it?

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Beautiful smoky atmospheric images gentlemen! - about time you got yourselves a 'proper' camera too

    It will take you a few more months to regret wasting the cashola on useless megapixels rather then buying the glass..(unless...)


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    Hi Dan,

    I would be interested to know how you've got the clouds in the foreground having this look of movement: was it done in PP?

    Thanks and best regards
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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Couple more play images from yesterday. Not the greatest but nice to get back in the swing of shooting the tech cams.

    SK43 with about 1.5 degree of forward tilt.



    Rodie 32 with some rise about 10mm



    Rodie 32mm with fall



    Rodie 32mm with more fall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Same setup with SK 72mm. Three frames stitched.

    Woody, those lovely three trees! Stitching is perfect as always. What Mac and soft for stitching do you use? You need enormous RAM and power to move those 3x100MB(?). Thanks.

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    guy: looks like a lot of fun in a very nice place, nice weather...what WA lens do you think you will stay with? liking the tilt on the 43?

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    Got little crazy Rodie 32mm. This is surrounded by fire smoke

    Any tilt on this shot w/ the 32?

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    No tilt on the 32
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    Dang Guy; our paths didn't cross...

    http://www.rgaphoto.com/2011-09-09-Yosemite

    Hopefully soon...
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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Olmstead point SK72

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Route 167
    2 degrees of tilt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Olmstead point SK72

    -bob
    That's the spot!
    I was to the right, in your image, of the small (actually growing sideways) tree shooting to the left in your image. The taller tree is on the left of my image.

    Were you there too? I did not see you!!
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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    I notice that you folks aren't including the exposure details in addition to the rise/fall & tilt information. I assume you're sticking to f/8-f/11 or so?

    Obviously tilt is helping with the DoF but I'd be interested to hear whether you're keeping within the "optimum” guidelines or stopping down further at all. I know that for me, in the absence of tilt and when I want as much DoF as possible, I'll sometimes forego the ultimate sharpness of the lens and stop down to f/16 or f/18 or so to get more of the shot in acceptable focus - i.e. diffraction be damned! (of course at other times if I'm not shooting a wide I'll just focus stack ...)
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    Graham on the tree looking up I used F16 with the 32mm. It seems to hold up pretty good but maybe a tough image to see diffraction.
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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Here's a shot of a GetDPI "secret" waterfall. RM3Di, 70HR-W, 17.5mm drop, 6x IR-ND, final exposure 5 seconds @ f11 ISO 35:



    Here's a little section in the Sierras at around 9,000 feet where the wild flowers are still in bloom. RM3di, 70mm HR-W, 5mm drop, 2 degrees forward tilt, 1/8th @ f11 ISO 35 --- the tilt leaves the image sharp from corner to corner, LOVE it!:



    My version of highway 167. 70 HR-W, camera zeroed with 2 degrees of tilt, 1/15th @ f11, ISO 35:



    From the same place as above but off the highway, virga over the Eastern Sierra. 120 SK, 10mm rise 1/15th @ f11 ISO 35:

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Graham,
    I generally shoot at f/8 to f/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Graham,
    I generally shoot at f/8 to f/11.
    -bob
    I try to stay at f/11.3, my optimum. With wide angle I'm learning focus stacking as at f/11.3 my hyper focal distance is 3m to the beginning of infinity.

    With the 80 tilt rules...

    This is focused stacked with the 35:
    http://www.rgaphoto.com/2011-09-09-Y...TER_large.html

    This one tilted with the 80:
    http://www.rgaphoto.com/2011-09-09-Y...TER_large.html

    Both at f/11.3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Here's a shot of a GetDPI "secret" waterfall. RM3Di, 70HR-W, 17.5mm drop, 6x IR-ND, final exposure 5 seconds @ f11 ISO 35:



    Here's a little section in the Sierras at around 9,000 feet where the wild flowers are still in bloom. RM3di, 70mm HR-W, 5mm drop, 2 degrees forward tilt, 1/8th @ f11 ISO 35 --- the tilt leaves the image sharp from corner to corner, LOVE it!:

    Love the falls!
    Hopefully you'll share the secret with us... ;-)

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    This image shot with the SK 35mm at F 11 with CF and a 1.8 ND filter . 12 second exposure sitting on the side of a slide of a hill. Not my favorite spot but was able to get everything steady for the shot.




    This was with a 43mm TS lens with 1.5 degrees of tilt. Shot at F11 with some fall also. I took creative license on this image and processed a little outside the box.




    This was at the SK 43 with 1 degree of tilt. I took advantage of every chance to use tilt and it works very nice. Again processing is for drama and shot at F11. I been shooting mostly at F11 and occasional F8 and F16 rarely but have used it. Im also very limited on focal length here as my longest is the 43mm.



    Again the 43mm with 1 agree of tilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rga View Post
    Love the falls!
    Hopefully you'll share the secret with us... ;-)
    Indeed - a coded set of GPS coordinates required!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Indeed - a coded set of GPS coordinates required!
    Graham,

    Will see you in New Hampshire in a few weeks. I think you already know what my favorite drinks are and though I am not easy, I am reasonable!

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    Graham,

    Will see you in New Hampshire in a few weeks. I think you already know what my favorite drinks are and though I am not easy, I am reasonable!

    I'm in technical sales so 'facilitation' comes easy to me.
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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    I still prefer Olmstead Point shot in B&W. The sky was volatile when we were there this afternoon. 40mm HR-W, 1 degree tilt, 7.5mm rise, 1/30th @ f11, ISO 35:

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    Repetition Falls, CA
    no ND filter, 1/8 sec. tilted rail did not pull the back

    -bob

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    35mm XL shot handheld at ISO 200 F8. Okay been drinking. LOL

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    I note that you folks are using a lot of rise/fall in these shots presumably to avoid perspective distortions in camera?

    Any thoughts about shooting slightly looser and taking advantage of the auto correction in C1 using the pitch info from the IQ? I've found this to work extremely well in the limited testing I've done with my IQ, with obviously the need to give yourself more image to crop in to. Certainly it's better to do this at capture vs in post, particularly as you don't know exactly what the crop will end up being until later plus obviously also the stretching/compression pixel quality impact too.

    Any other reasons that maybe I'm missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    guy: looks like a lot of fun in a very nice place, nice weather...what WA lens do you think you will stay with? liking the tilt on the 43?
    Hmmm not sure still going through the selection process if I keep the 35mm which seems to be doing really well on the 160. I do want at least one lens with TS on it for sure. If I stay 35mm than a 60mm TS might be a good second with a 90 or 120 in the mix for a three lens kit. For a 4 lens kit I would certainly drop into the 28, 40 or 43, 70 or 72 and 120. The second widest I want TS though. The 32 Rodie is very nice but a little big for my taste the SK43 TS though is a sweetheart and really nice images from it. But if you noticed almost every 43 shot I have posted i have applied a tilt to the image, so yes i have been working that lens like that to get a good feel for it and it does the job very nicely. These will be tough decisions since none of these lenses are the least expensive things around. I will get a chance to use many in a couple weeks at the workshop and get a better feel for it but already I am in a really nice shooting mode with it which is awesome for me. My biggest assets on this system is the back with the ball for alignment and the focus mask, I rarely miss.
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    Guy: how useful did you find the HPF ring on your 35? I'm adding them to my 43 and 70 (both have t/s, so it requires some customizing.) My guess in this landscape use, and with such a wide angle lens, distance is not so critical. and you have focus mask

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    Not critical but a couple times it was very handy . I think inside doing other types of work a more useful feature
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    Jack, the waterfall is outstanding.

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    Stu, thank you sir!
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    [QUOTE=TH_Alpa;349613]Hi Dan,

    I would be interested to know how you've got the clouds in the foreground having this look of movement: was it done in PP?

    Thanks and best regards
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    No, nothing done in PP, except slight change of overall colourtone and then cranking up saturation (which I rarely do). It had been very very windy (storm) throughout the day and at sunset the clouds were breaking up and revealed the sky behind, but the clouds were still moving incredibly fast. So it is motionblur from the 12 seconds exposure!

    This one from last week in a small swamparea close to my home...

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    Alpa with film back taken about 10 years ago. Sorry for the poor quality. The high res files are in the archive just had these small jpgs handy. Zone focused the Alpa was a formidable reportage camera. Sold it when I went 35 digital about 8 years ago.

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    Im praying for good light. LOL
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    Hmmm not sure still going through the selection process if I keep the 35mm which seems to be doing really well on the 160.
    Every image I see posted shot with the SK35mm always looks like its a real gem of a lens without that distorted wide angle look. In comparison, virtually every image I've seen shot with the RS32mm has massive amounts of distortion/elongation of objects at the outer edges of the frame which look really terrible IMO. Always reminds me of my Canon 16-35mm L zoom lens which is really ugly if not used very carefully when shot at the 16mm end.

    This thread is great as its making me want the SK35mm even more.

    Guy, I personally think you should get your 35 converted to a TS adapter for your Cambo and keep hold of it.

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    I still prefer Olmstead Point shot in B&W. The sky was volatile when we were there this afternoon. 40mm HR-W, 1 degree tilt, 7.5mm rise, 1/30th @ f11, ISO 35:

    Hi Jack, funny that i made a picture over there too a few years ago. Never knew it was that famous :-)

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    You read my mind. Been thinking the same thing of converting my 35 into a TS. I actually like the 35mm lens a lot. My only bitch if I have one is using the CF all the time. But I truly believe that is the price to pay for having a effective 22mm in your bag that is small. I need to test a little more on shifting with it to see where it falls apart but lets be really honest here , how much are you going to shift a 22mm effective lens , maybe stretch it to a 18mm lens so that maybe only a 10mm stitch either way. MORE important than anything and I have said this before don't care if your shooting landscape, interiors or whatever once you level up the cam rise and fall are the most important assists to tech cams. EVERY shot I did had either one in it. Even handheld with a swing on one shot i raised the lens so my horizontal was NOT dead in the middle of the frame.

    We really need to think on how we use these lenses. I think we get to wrapped up in other areas and not think about the actual needs you have. Rise and fall to me is the reason to have a tech cam in the first place outside the quality of the glass. Sure stitching is great and useful but with really wide lenses I have question marks there.

    Now if I had a 180 back this lens i would NOT use as it just is too limited from what I have seen. 180 users would be better off with the Rodie 40 or SK 43mm. The Rodie 32mm may work better also for 180 users. For 160 users and the 6 micron sensors the 35mm works nice if you keep it within its limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H3dtogo View Post
    Hi Jack, funny that i made a picture over there too a few years ago. Never knew it was that famous :-)



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    Very popular spot in the high country. LOL
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    The only thing rare about Olmstead point is getting a picture of that lone tree without somebody sitting on the rock next to it.
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    LOL My shot there never did see the bozo posing in my images , luckily I caught him standing there and waited it out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm going to make a 4x4 ft sign that reads.

    Move, Yes YOU bud!
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    Trust me, it could be neon and flashing and the average bozo still wouldn't get it.
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    ROTFLMAO. Your probably right too Graham. LOL
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    As being a rude European, yelling a bit also cleared the area :-)

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    Thought I show an image with stark contrast to all the landscapes

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    Cool graphic image Dan, I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    Thought I show an image with stark contrast to all the landscapes

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    Purely just showing off here . Not art BUT it does have 1.5 degrees of SWING yes i said SWING, .5 degrees of tilt, 10mm of rise and shot HANDHELD. Yes folks the old dog can still handhold a tech cam. LOL
    Shot at F8 1/180's with a SK 43mm TS lens. Cambo.



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