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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Still going through my fall colors from Telluride, came up with these 2,
    I still wish I could figure out how to get better color off my leaf aptus II 7 back.
    Oh well here is what I have for today.
    Sinar arTec, 135mm F11
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    Wow, Steven - WOW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    I still wish I could figure out how to get better color off my leaf aptus II 7 back.


    You're kidding, right?! This image is one of those most of us wait years to capture. Steven, keep 'em coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Ed,
    I want to go shooting with you next fall colors season, wow you know all the great spots
    Got lucky on that color. I was driving through town and saw some maple trees in a vacant lot not 20 yards from one of the main roads in town. Maybe it was payback cuz I've driven 15,000 miles in the last six weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    You're kidding, right?! This image is one of those most of us wait years to capture. Steven, keep 'em coming.
    Agree, excellent!
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    Thanks Bill, Joe, and Jack.
    what I meant by me saying I wish I could get better color off my leaf back was when I open up files in C1, they always look very dull, muted colors, etc. As opposed to opening up files from my no longer much beloved M9, they almost always looked great right off the camera. IMHO I think the canned profiles for my leaf back are not very good, and I am not a very pleased with the canned tone curves either.
    I think the canned leaf camera profiles are more tuned for flesh tones, studio work.
    oh well it just takes me forever to get good "pleasing" color in C1 and even leaf capture.

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    Steven a couple of tips:
    1. On the back select the "Product" preset and change the profile to "Product HS"
    2. Try to use a Grey card in the field, if possible

    Yair

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    Yair
    thanks for the tips but... That's the setup I was using until doug petterson told me to use pro photo on the leaf back which made no sense to me because pro photo is a working space not a camera profile. The Product preset tone curve is sometime to strong of a tone curve, but that is where I start from.
    I think today I will shot a gretag colorchecker sg chart and see how well product hs tries to match the colors.
    I would love to use a gray card yet most of my landscape mostly have both some sun and some cloudy areas.
    Do any of the over the lens wb filters work? Ie photodisc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Steven a couple of tips:
    1. On the back select the "Product" preset and change the profile to "Product HS"
    2. Try to use a Grey card in the field, if possible

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    Steven,

    You could build, or rather modify, one of your in-camera profiles using C1's advanced Color Editor, then save that as an ICC in C1. Once saved, you could apply directly or via a style on import. It would take some time initially to build and tweak, but save you a boatload of time in the future.
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    jack,
    I think that's the direction I'm going to go.
    can C1 show values in LAB, this would be very helpful.
    I know you shoot phase, but do you find yourself spending a lot of time in C1 just getting the color right?
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    Steve, I found the HS profiles too garish and mostly used LF2 Product 5 and LF2 Portrait Even 5. I would then fine tune exposure for highlights, correct shadows using levels (left upper slider if shadows were too deep - I find this better than the HDR shadow slider), then finally use the lower centre slider to set the global contrast for the image. That seemed to always get me in the ballpark. Worth a try as it's pretty straightforward.

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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    This is where I am at,
    I went outside, setup my ColorChecker Passport target,
    took a picture of it, processed the profile in LR3, restarted LR3,
    imported in some .mos files which I have never done in LR3 because I assumed C1 was the way to go, So right off the bat, the few .mos files I imported into LR3 the color looked much better as soon as I apply the DNG profile I made from Passport, go figure I now have blue skies..
    I found a dos based utility that converts dng profiles to icc, may try that and bring it into C1.

    Off topic of course because I know everyone in this MF group uses C1, yet I was wondering what is the downside of using LR3? none of my lenses have have pre made profiles to start off with so I was just wondering.

    Not wanting to start a which is better LR3 or C1, but was just curious.

    I tried all the different combinations recommended to me above in C1 and not one of them got the color right as opposed to LR3 with my custom DNG profile.
    Don't get me wrong, they are not bad, but as I mentioned in the beginning getting good color for me out of C1 takes a lot more time and adjusting.

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    Worked on another one after it snowed before the aspens died off.
    Sinar arTec, 135mm F11

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    wow - what colors and scenery.
    Amazing work - TFS.

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    Sahyadri mountain range near Mumbai India.
    My first post and first week with tech camera and MF.
    Horseman SWD Pro with 35mm Rodenstock APO Sironar Digital and Leaf Aptus II 5. 3 Image stitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Off topic of course because I know everyone in this MF group uses C1, yet I was wondering what is the downside of using LR3? none of my lenses have have pre made profiles to start off with so I was just wondering.

    Not wanting to start a which is better LR3 or C1, but was just curious.

    I tried all the different combinations recommended to me above in C1 and not one of them got the color right as opposed to LR3 with my custom DNG profile.
    Don't get me wrong, they are not bad, but as I mentioned in the beginning getting good color for me out of C1 takes a lot more time and adjusting.

    Steven
    Steven,

    Not everyone in this MFD group uses C1. A few of us are using LR3 and loving it. I still haven't immersed myself in C1, and find LR3 to be more intuitive and easier to get results I'm pleased with. The objective in all this is to get images that you're pleased with. LR3 does that for me. Maybe one of these days I'll confront the error of my ways, but for now LR3 just works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Steven,

    Not everyone in this MFD group uses C1. A few of us are using LR3 and loving it. I still haven't immersed myself in C1, and find LR3 to be more intuitive and easier to get results I'm pleased with. The objective in all this is to get images that you're pleased with. LR3 does that for me. Maybe one of these days I'll confront the error of my ways, but for now LR3 just works.

    Joe
    With wide technical glass you almost have to use C1 for the LCC processing. Especially with the P65 and IQ180. Impossible for mere mortals to do in PS after LR.

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    With wide technical glass you almost have to use C1 for the LCC processing. Especially with the P65 and IQ180. Impossible for mere mortals to do in PS after LR.
    Ed,

    You're right, and when I get my WRS-AE #47 this weekend, I'll be able to totally immerse myself in C1 and the joys of LCCs. Can't wait!

    I just hope that watching football and processing my [645DF-IQ180] images from Bryce and Zion don't get in the way.
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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    I guess I have been lucky with my aptus II 7 afi and my Sinar arTec.
    I have not needed to do LCC, my widest lens is a 35mm and I have done a few images with it using 10mm rise and I don't notice any color cast.
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    Shreyas,

    Welcome for this first post.

    Is this the mountain range the one on the road to Pune?
    I have passed there some years ago.

    All the best with your camera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shreyas View Post
    Sahyadri mountain range near Mumbai India.
    My first post and first week with tech camera and MF.
    Horseman SWD Pro with 35mm Rodenstock APO Sironar Digital and Leaf Aptus II 5. 3 Image stitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    With wide technical glass you almost have to use C1 for the LCC processing. Especially with the P65 and IQ180. Impossible for mere mortals to do in PS after LR.
    And I would add that using C1 for raw conversion prior to working in LR (especially w/ a Phase One back) preserves the dynamic range coming out of the back to the greatest degree possible, and that the C1 recovery, sharpening and noise reduction tools at the raw conversion stage are cleaner than the using only the tools available in LR.

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    Jamie,
    I agree with everything you say except, well at least with the leaf back, for landscape work, all the canned profiles to me are not very good.

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    Steve,
    I'd say the same is true for the Phase backs, but making a few presets in C1 that suit your style is very quick, and then they can be applied to any image as you move thru the steps prior to raw conversion. I've made a few basic ones that suit my landscape work, which include white balance (I like 5800k), presharpening, saturation, clarity, NR, etc. A few clicks to one image, then lift and stamp to apply to the others in the set, and I can then move on to adjustments, LCC's, and settings that are specific to each image. I then process to LR, where I make more detailed local adjustments and tweaks for printing. Works well and is quick, unless I get into very detailed local adjustments in LR or PS, when the process slows down.
    All I can suggest is that if you get to know your way around C1, you will probably like it and the results surpass what you can get out of LR or PS alone.

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    Steven,
    I guess your back is just too far off. If you have a colour card of some sort, there is a manual way to adjust the colours. It would need to be adapted to C1's colour balance tool, thus you could manually create an ICC with C1. http://www.creativepro.com/article/o...-cs?page=0%2C2


    I actually took this process and wrote an article for Aperture early last year. I can send you that PDF if it would help.

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    Thanks for the info Paul,
    Yep I got all the Gretag Charts, original, DC, SG and I also have Color PassPort.
    I think I just need to spend the time in C1 and create my own custom Profile.
    Though I have just previewed all the "canned" profiles in C1 that pertain to the Aptus II back and I seem to like Leaf-LF2 Portrait Warm 4.
    At least my skies are a nice blue again. Though I will take a look at the advanced color editor as Jack mentioned and see if I can tweak it some.
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    This is from C1 using Leaf-LF2 Portrait Warm 4 profile and some clarity.
    Unfortunately I think I had a little lens flare or something going on in the upper left hand corner. Oh well. I still like the image.
    Sinar arTec 135mm lens F11

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    Some great colorado color Steven. I like the splash of red in the brush line through the middle. Reminds me of east dallas creek road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    Two image nodal stitch with the SK 120 N 1/4 f11 iso 100 no shift



    Now, that will be my last posting for around 3 weeks. I am off to Spain tomorrow and cannot do any PP down there. However, I will have internet so I will checkout new images being posted....Cheers, for a while
    I really love the mood in this image ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Though I will take a look at the advanced color editor as Jack mentioned and see if I can tweak it some.
    Sorry, yes must be the colour editor tool (not the colour balance tool as I wrote! Doh). Hopefully that article by the late Bruce Fraser can be adapted to C1

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    Lovely stuff, Steven!
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    for you Jurgen:

    a building I have shot numerous times, not much time left for it


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    same bldg


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    may be the last few days for the egg...


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    you could pull a train out of Wallabout bay...


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    same bldg, you can see the earlier shot way down there...

    above group first time out with the IQ160 and using C1. all with SK43 and some had as much as 15mm shift (this shot, portrait mode) LCC applied liberally

    my thanks to Steve Hendrix and CI

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    another view of the train car loader


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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    may be the last few days for the egg...

    John,

    Nice! You've done the egg proud. May it rest in peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Oh well. I still like the image.

    I do, too!! Very much. You could use a gradient to darken the upper 20-25%, and none would be the wiser.
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    Not to beat a dead horse, but still don't see any reason these are not in the regular images thread to expose all MF shooters to tech shots. Many of them don't even show the gear used to capture them with ...

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    John, outstanding! I also really like the one with the egg, although even without it, it would be a phenomenal shot.

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    the egg, last time i shot it

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    Hey everyone, this is my first post in the forum but I've been following GetDPI for a while - I appreciate the inspiring work and the technical information across the site.

    I bought an Arca RM3Di and Aptus II-5 earlier this year for use in my fledgling architectural photography business. I finally got a chance to travel to Yellowstone with it in late September. Attached is a shot of the Hayden Valley, I believe I used the Schneider 60mm 5.6. If not, I only have one other lens at the moment, the SK 47XL.
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    I'm looking forward to shooting some more landscapes this winter, as the architectural work dries up.

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    Great one Tom, lovely green!

    I'm back from Spain, but with hardly any new images. I have had a 'real' break from everything and only brought the Alpa once on a walk by the sea. I have concentrated on good wines and just about doing nothing.

    However, one image in 12 days is one better than zero

    Alpa SWA SK 72 L multiple stitch 1/60 f8,5 iso 100 no shift

    I wanted exact equal amount of sand/sea/sky with the pale natural light and the sharp sunbed colour to complement.
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    Lovely images Dan and Tom - nice to see the "lowly" Aptus II 5 being put to such good work!

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    Thanks Dan and Swissblad.

    I've enjoyed my few months with the Aptus II-5. I do wish on occasion for longer exposure capacity, and the lack of ability to tether with a battery (like a P1 back) is just plain irritating. But aside from that it's a good value and has allowed me to put the bulk of my limited budget in the gear that won't be obsolete next year - the camera.

    And Dan's quietly brilliant work shows there's a long way for me to go before I could ever honestly say I've "outgrown" the Aptus. I am, however, trying to talk myself into a SK 120N!

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    It was a very nice light this afternoon. I made a 3 image stitch over this local field. What does not come across in this webimage is the tremendous amount of detail in the sharp area, set to about 3 metres. It is natively 1 metre wide.

    Alpa SWA SK 72 L 1/15 f8 iso 50 no shift

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    I think I have to post a 100% crop of that field....

    I must say that I am rather impressed of what the Aptus II 5 can manage.

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    When seeing this image I can't help myself to wonder how a "similar" subject and composition of an image has been sold for $ 4,3 M.

    Beautiful Dan.

    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    It was a very nice light this afternoon. I made a 3 image stitch over this local field. What does not come across in this webimage is the tremendous amount of detail in the sharp area, set to about 3 metres. It is natively 1 metre wide.

    Alpa SWA • SK 72 L • 1/15 • f8 • iso 50 • no shift

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    Recently returned from Maui where I was on vacation (mostly) and had the chance to really enjoy my MFDB kit (Alpa + P45+ and various lenses). Hope you enjoy.

    Infinity Pool at Sunset - Travassa, Hana, HI:


    Clearing Storm Sunrise - Travassa, Hana, HI:


    Sunset at Kea Lani - Wailea, HI


    Coy and Lilly - Wailea, HI


    Century Plant Lifecycle - Haleakala Volcano, Maui, HI:


    High Country View I - Maui, HI


    High Country View II - Maui, HI
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    Re: Technical Camera Images

    Robert,
    My old home for almost 18 years.
    Couple of things, They call it "Up Country" not High Country, Thats a Silver Sword you got up on top of Haleakala, very nice btw,
    High Country View I is actually looking out towards Kihei and Maalaea Harbor,
    High Country View II - looks like you took the picture from Haliimaile very nice indeed.
    Wow old memories for me. Hope you had a nice stay on Maui.

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