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Sinar M

Stuart Richardson

Active member
Thank you Thierry. The price I listed is from the Sinar Bron website. If you go to Sinarbron.com and look at the bottom left, there is a link to the 2008 price list. On page 10, they list the costs of the Sinar M and the lenses. They are as I quoted them.
The direct link to the pdf is here: http://sinarbron.com/documents/Sinar_Pricing_2008.pdf

The prices you list seem much more reasonable and more in line with the rest of the market.
 
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thsinar

Guest
Thanks Stuart, got it!

I shall forward to the responsible at Sinar to have a look at it.

Best regards,
Thierry

Thank you Thierry. The price I listed is from the Sinar Bron website. If you go to Sinarbron.com and look at the bottom left, there is a link to the 2008 price list. On page 10, they list the costs of the Sinar M and the lenses. They are as I quoted them.
The direct link to the pdf is here: http://sinarbron.com/documents/Sinar_Pricing_2008.pdf

The prices you list seem much more reasonable and more in line with the rest of the market.
 
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rainer-v

Guest
although the camera was designed for being used mainly in studio, now with the new battery grips ( which uses the same battery as the back ) the camera becomes perfectly hand holdable.
together with the 28mm one has a fantastic wide angle camera. the shutter is working VERY quiet, and because you hold the camera with the new grip usually with both hands, sharp exposure times of 1/25 with the 40mm and 1/50 with the 80mm dont become occasionally sharp but nearly always.
i never understood the fame of being so extreme expensive, here in EU prices are not far away from hassy or hy level. i use the camera for
aerials and landscape work with good succes.

the lenses are based on the same optics than their pendants, but it seems that they are different selected or in details different calculated.
all of them are very sharp at full apertures,- which is a big plus compared with my contax 645 system if there is low light, the contax is otherwise great but some lenses arent sharp without stopping them down to f5,6 or even f8, e.g. the 140mm ( unfortunately i dont have the 120 which should be better herein ).
 
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thsinar

Guest
hi Rainer,

I was just "on my way" to write about the recently released Rodenstock 28mm HR and the new and small battery grip, but you have "won the race"!

Anyway, Rainer is right, the slim battery grip using the same batteries as the eMotion backs makes it being a very light setup, much lighter than any other MF body.

here some pics.

Thierry

although the camera was designed for being used mainly in studio, now with the new battery grips ( which uses the same battery as the back ) the camera becomes perfectly hand holdable.
together with the 28mm one has a fantastic wide angle camera. the shutter is working VERY quiet, and because you hold the camera with the new grip usually with both hands, sharp exposure times of 1/25 with the 40mm and 1/50 with the 80mm dont become occasionally sharp but nearly always.
i never understood the fame of being so extreme expensive, here in EU prices are not far away from hassy or hy level. i use the camera for
aerials and landscape work with good succes.

the lenses are based on the same optics than their pendants, but it seems that they are different selected or in details different calculated.
all of them are very sharp at full apertures,- which is a big plus compared with my contax 645 system if there is low light, the contax is otherwise great but some lenses arent sharp without stopping them down to f5,6 or even f8, e.g. the 140mm ( unfortunately i dont have the 120 which should be better herein ).
 

PeterA

Well-known member
Hi Thierry,

A nice user friendly site for Sinar.

What I would like to ask is:

1. in looking at the Sinar M system page on your site - it seems that the system will also take non Sinar backs? How is this achieved?

2. it seems that the system can cater for a variety of lens 'types' including Nikon and Hasselblad V. Are these lenses purchased from Sinar in a special mount or does the system allow the user to use their own lenses?

Thanks
 
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thsinar

Guest
hi Peter,

thanks for your compliment concerning Sinar's site.

to answer your questions:

1. That is not implemented, respectively there are no adapters yet for third-party digital backs.

2. Yes, Nikon lenses can be adapted with the Nikon mirror module: however that was meant for the use with Sinarbacks with smaller sensors, like the SB 22 (4 MPx), 23 (6 MPx), 43 (11 MPx) and 44 (16 MPx), has been has been discontinued due to the CCD's becoming bigger.

3. Yes, all Hasselblad V lenses can be mounted by means of the Lens Module Hasselblad V (493.64.012)

Best regards,
Theirry

Hi Thierry,

A nice user friendly site for Sinar.

What I would like to ask is:

1. in looking at the Sinar M system page on your site - it seems that the system will also take non Sinar backs? How is this achieved?

2. it seems that the system can cater for a variety of lens 'types' including Nikon and Hasselblad V. Are these lenses purchased from Sinar in a special mount or does the system allow the user to use their own lenses?

Thanks
 

PeterA

Well-known member
Ok thanks Thierry. Sinar makes some really beautiful things. I also note that prices for Hy6 are very different depending where you buy - *shakes head..have learned a lot about shopping around- teh Hy6 system isnt as silly expensive if one looks around. -:)

I can tell you that the M system as well as the new Arcatec are both of interest technically - if only one could use the back(s) tehy have if you know what i mean..

I still think the number #! best feature of any manufacturer is Sinar's changeable adaptors to suit any camera set-up.

Let me know if there are any deals on refurbished 22 megapixel backs!



Thanks again.
 

fotografz

Well-known member
Well, those prices are steep but not like what was mentioned. Considering they are AF, and I'm sure made in very small quanities to very exacting standards, I could see a specialist footing the bill.
 
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thsinar

Guest
Ok thanks Thierry. Sinar makes some really beautiful things. I also note that prices for Hy6 are very different depending where you buy - *shakes head..have learned a lot about shopping around- teh Hy6 system isnt as silly expensive if one looks around. -:)
Thanks for the compliments. Yes, prices do vary from one country to another, however this might change in the very near future with Sinar publishing the prices and promotions on our webpage.

I can tell you that the M system as well as the new Arcatec are both of interest technically - if only one could use the back(s) tehy have if you know what i mean..
Never give up hope, unlike the sub-title of this forum!
;)

I still think the number #! best feature of any manufacturer is Sinar's changeable adaptors to suit any camera set-up.
Yes, a nice feature and possibility, though I am thinking that we have many other advantages and interesting differences.

Let me know if there are any deals on refurbished 22 megapixel backs!
Thanks again.
We actually have re-furbished SB 54 H backs quite on a regular basis. As well, the eMotion 54 LV has been reduced in price by 40% recently.

Best regards,
Thierry
 
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thsinar

Guest
hi Marc,

yes, those lenses are really made in very small quantities to our demanding digital standards.

Best regards,
Thierry

Well, those prices are steep but not like what was mentioned. Considering they are AF, and I'm sure made in very small quanities to very exacting standards, I could see a specialist footing the bill.
 
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Natasa Stojsic

Guest
to answer your questions:

1. That is not implemented, respectively there are no adapters yet for third-party digital backs.

2. Yes, Nikon lenses can be adapted with the Nikon mirror module: however that was meant for the use with Sinarbacks with smaller sensors, like the SB 22 (4 MPx), 23 (6 MPx), 43 (11 MPx) and 44 (16 MPx), has been has been discontinued due to the CCD's becoming bigger.

3. Yes, all Hasselblad V lenses can be mounted by means of the Lens Module Hasselblad V (493.64.012)

Best regards,
Theirry
Thierry, good to see you're back:)

I agree with PeterA.., about adapters for other DB. makers. Could you see if they will make one, it shouldn't really be a huge deal to make it and of course like everything else they can name their price?

I was going to ask you what is the deal with shutter speed and I read on the Sinar M page this.... Shutter speeds from 32 sec. to 1/2000 sec. Now there are no limitations to outdoor photography... what about indoor/Flash?

Any updates about Photokina?
 
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thsinar

Guest
Thierry, good to see you're back:)
Thanks Natasa, but I was never "away"!
;)

I agree with PeterA.., about adapters for other DB. makers. Could you see if they will make one, it shouldn't really be a huge deal to make it and of course like everything else they can name their price?
We are continuously discussing this issue. Especially for the arTec, if it's not Sinar, somebody else will almost certainly make them.

I was going to ask you what is the deal with shutter speed and I read on the Sinar M page this.... Shutter speeds from 32 sec. to 1/2000 sec. Now there are no limitations to outdoor photography... what about indoor/Flash?
Yes, 32 sec. to 1/2000th. Flash sync is limited to 1/100.

Any updates about Photokina?
Not yet, except that we will be there showing our new products, software solutions (MAC + PC) with possibility to take untethered "white shadings", the arTec will be presented and launched, after having undergone the last changes according to the beta-testers wishes, etc ...

Best regards,
Thierry
 
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Natasa Stojsic

Guest
Thanks Natasa, but I was never "away"!
;)
Thierry
It just seem that way:p


We are continuously discussing this issue. Especially for the arTec, if it's not Sinar, somebody else will almost certainly make them.
Well, please make sure to let us now....



Yes, 32 sec. to 1/2000th. Flash sync is limited to 1/100.
Thierry
Is there any chance of Flash sync improvements and if not... why not?

Thanks:thumbup:
 
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thsinar

Guest
It just seem that way:p
There are times where my "help" is less needed, then I refrain from appearing. Then there are times like now, where you will see me posting tens of posts. Life is cruel!
:thumbdown:

Well, please make sure to let us now....
I certainly will.

Is there any chance of Flash sync improvements and if not... why not?
No way, limited by the shutter.

Best regards,
Thierry
 

PeterA

Well-known member
Prices published on your web page I think is a great idea - this will be a positive I am sure.
 
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