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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    Thanks for the information you've provided in patient and professional manner Steve.

    I would have been tempted to reply to MrDen's comments "All i read here is false" and "So this...and this....is totally wrong!!!" in a less diplomatic fashion.

    Gary
    I read many things from people who are sure to be right, and they are not.
    Only Steeve knows what he is saying, and is great in his informations, and i thank him for that.

    Sorry, but i'm about to buy a digital RZ plate, and i was certain that i need the HX705, cause i got a PROII (non D), manifestly the HX701 is ok for this.
    Make a big difference here.
    People bought wrong items, because of all those comments, so sorry to be a bit hard, but it was legitimate i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    This cable plugs into the remote release port at the front of the camera and enables triggering from the computer keyboard when shooting tethered to a computer. Until recently, not an option (ironically) with the Pro-II D, but after I researched, I did find there is now a host capture cable for P+/IQ/Credo series digital backs that works with Pro-II D as well.
    Do you have a reference for this cable?



    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    Mr Den, you got me there, I didn't reference an HX705, and I did indicate confusion over the Mamiya/leaf part numbers and do not have a document with an HX705 designation, though I am suspecting this refers to the non-electronic RZ Adapter that featured several different interface options (Hasselblad H/V and Mamiya 645) that I described in my previous post (as non-electronic RZ Adapter).
    I hope that clears that up for you.
    The HX701 got the name on the upper corner right : Mamiya RZ PRO IID
    On the HX705, you have nothing written on it.
    That's why there is a big confusion.

    Many think the 705 is for PRO and PROII, and 701 for PROIID (only).
    The 705 is similar to the 701, physically in all points.
    Disturbing.



    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    I don't see anything wrong about the post 6 and post 22 you referenced - I just see that the information is not detailed and incomplete. That's why I expanded upon it in my post. Sheldon refers to possibly needing to dremel out the stud from the plate, but so far we have not found this necessary (it could be a specific model distinction (maybe only for Pro-II, not Pro?), otherwise, I have no ready explanation for the discrepancy).
    Phase One say the same on their official site.
    But i never encountered that.
    I would be a bit disappointed if i take a HX701, and need to dremel it.
    I still don't understand why some people need to do it.



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    Your welcome!
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    Thank you so much for your time and your precious precisions.
    I'm not american, and many in the world can benefit of all these informations.
    That's important for every RZ user.

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    50300189 is the part number for the RZ host cable if you have a P+/IQ digital back.


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    Re: DF to RZ

    Quote Originally Posted by MrDen View Post
    I read many things from people who are sure to be right, and they are not.
    Only Steeve knows what he is saying, and is great in his informations, and i thank him for that.

    Sorry, but i'm about to buy a digital RZ plate, and i was certain that i need the HX705, cause i got a PROII (non D), manifestly the HX701 is ok for this.
    Make a big difference here.
    People bought wrong items, because of all those comments, so sorry to be a bit hard, but it was legitimate i think.
    MrDen,

    In your first post, you said everything you had read in this thread up to that point about the use of the HX701 and HX705 adapter plates on the RZ67 ProII and ProIID was false.

    Much of the discussion prior to your initial post had been from people who actually owned these cameras, adapter plates and digital backs. Several of them reported that in order to use the HX701 on a RZ67 ProII (non-D) model it required a modification (see Sheldon's post here http://www.getdpi.com/forum/392129-post22.html).

    Based on your experience using a RZ67 ProII (non-D) with HX701 and P40+, you claimed this information is not correct.

    Note that Sheldon did not say a HX701 will not work on a RZ67 II non-D, but that (in his experience) it required a modification to work (otherwise, it interferes with the dark slide sensors). I assumed that your statement "this was false" meant you knew that a unmodified HX701 would work, because you had direct experience with one.

    I wonder....are you certain that the HX701 on the camera you used had not already been modified to work on the RZ67 ProII non-D model?

    I ask because you've said that you are now in the market to buy a digital back adapter for your RZ67 ProII non-D. If the RZ67 Pro II (non-D) with HX701 and P40+ that you tried was not your own, perhaps it had already been modified in the way that Sheldon described, without your knowledge.

    That would explain much of the confusion. In which case, what Sheldon and others have said here is not false at all, despite your claims to the contrary.

    Gary
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    I think i will get a HX705.
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    Re: DF to RZ

    Well MrDen....when you determine if that HX705 adapter works on your RZ67 ProII, be sure to let us know. If it does, that might explain "what it is for".

    My guess is the HX705 was first digital back adapter that Mamiya made for the RZ67 series of cameras, perhaps for both the original RZ67 Pro and the ProII (non-D).

    Good luck.

    Gary

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    Sorry to dig this up. I have been researching to add an adapter plate for my RZ67PROII with the Leaf Aptus II 6, for quite a long time. Today I got the adapter plate HX701.

    There were lots of confusion, and I think I can answer them very clearly now.

    1. HX701 was originally designed for D-version of RZ67, and HX705 was designed for RZ67 non-D version. I got the HX701, because I think modifying HX701 is not hard, and this piece of (expensive) metal can be used in the future, if (big if) I get the D-version, while HX705 is equally expensive (but in my case, I got a cheap HX705), and can not be used with D.
    2. I can confirm that with original HX701, RZ67ProII can not trigger the shutter release.
    3. And yes, there should be modification, and yes, the dark slide sensor gets the way. HOWEVER, after I carefully observe the mechanics, I guess only one point need to be made on the plate, which is the one at the bottom (please see the previous picture for reference). When the dark slide is inserted and pulled out, there is a small ball will be moved around, which touched the sensor, and that's the only position will change. (Yes, I take the film back off, and press some tiny tricky traps so I can pull off the dark slide even the back is not attached to the body. And no there is no film inside.)
    4. So I tried. I used Dremel to drill the plate bit by bit, and put it back on the camera and tested. At first the red LED lit up, which means it sensed the dark slide (actually the adapter) is inserted. After several rounds at certain point, the red LED went off, which means I drilled deep enough, so the sensor would not be pressed by the plate. And now, with adapter on, I can release the shutter! with only 1 point modification! In fact the modification is tiny, much less than you would expected.


    By the way, use the emergency shutter release, the dark slide sensor will not work anyway, but you only have 1/400 shutter speed. However it can work without battery. (The battery was long dead when I was testing, so it worked. Then I found some way to powered it to carry out above tests.)

    So, I think this should help and make everything clear about the topic.


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    THE answer..


    Quote Originally Posted by warpath View Post
    K created an account just to help clear things up.

    First, there seems to be two versions of the HX701 adapter plate. One with a notch and one without. I'm guessing the one without the notch is an older version and that's the adapter that needs to be modified as shown by Sheldon N in this picture.




    And here's a picture of the two different versions (Thanks Google). I have the second version with the notch.




    As for Phase One's site saying it...

    "needs to be modified in a local Mamiya Center...Once this modification has been done - the camerabody cannot be used with a film cassette."

    I believe what they are meaning is maybe the physical removal of the dark slide pins, which would disrupt the film functionality.

    Sheldon N has shown instead, you can just simply dremel the adapter. This way it affects the body in no way and can still function with film backs without a problem.

    I think this confusion and blurb on Phase One's site is intentional by the way. Not gonna get into this now.

    Let me make this clear, YOU DO NOT LOOSE THE ABILITY TO USE FILM BACKS ON THE RZ WHEN GOING DIGITAL

    Now back to the adapter plates...

    There is the HX701 without and with a notch which I'll refer to as HX701v1 and HX701v2. And there is the HX705 adapter (It does exist, I have it). The HX701 adapters have contacts for use with the Pro IID. The HX701v2 can be used with the Pro II (non-D) WITHOUT modification but needs a sync cable. The HX701v1 can also be used with the Pro II (non-D) but needs to be modified as shown by Sheldon N, and also still require a sync cable. The HX705 should work with all RZ bodies with again a sync cable. Here's a picture of the HX705 (Notice same notch).



    As for the digital back mount type, the HX70x adapters are all for M-mount digital backs. So for the Pro II (non-D), you should consider getting a digital back (M-Mount) that DOESN'T need to be woken up, e.g. Leaf Aptus II or Phase One P65+, so all that would be needed is one sync cable.

    Now if you want to use a digital back that DOES need to be woken up, e.g. Phase One P25/P25+ or P45/P45+, then I think your best bet is using the Phase One adapter (item no. 70964) shown below.



    Remember this would need a digital back with a V-Mount. This option uses both a wake cable and sync cable, so 2 cables. Also, this adapter doesn't allow for rotating the back. You must physically remove the back and re-mount the back in the orientation you want. Whereas the HX70x adapter plates still allow you to rotate the back (On a side note, before attaching the HX70x adapter plate to the body, you have to rotate the back first. So rotating with a digital back will now go counter-clockwise vs. clockwise with a film back).

    Leaf also has adapter plates, but I believe it can only be used with their Aptus backs. To use with say the Credo, I believe it has to be physically modified. This option also needs a sync cable.

    If you do not want the need for a sync and/or wake cable, then I'd say go with a Pro IID body, HX701 adapter, and an M-Mount digital back (There seems to be a battery drain issue with this though).

    I have both the HX701v2 and HX705 adapter with a Leaf back and confirm that it works on the Pro II (non-D) body.

    Long post, I need a drink...

    Hope this helped clears things up.

    Cheers,
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