Lars
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About maybe 400 Mpx.How many pixels does that translate to on a FF sensor?:wtf:
We need a mathematician
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About maybe 400 Mpx.How many pixels does that translate to on a FF sensor?:wtf:
We need a mathematician
Yes - and some serious headaches for lens designers.Forget about the phone, think about the technology implemented with other, larger sensors. It opens up a bag full of possibilities.
That Nokia 808 is a threat to the D800/E, no?Forget the D800 - the new threat to MF is Nokia's upcoming 41 Mpx camera phone presented today. Yikes. :loco:
Or, if we're to believe some posts here, as new high-res FF sensors will create more demand for MFDB systems, perhaps Phase One is a threat to Nokia.That Nokia 808 is a threat to the D800/E, no?
Too late ... point and shoots sales sliding fast - started in 2009. (16% decline in unit sales, 24% decline in revenue over 2008).I bet you that Nikon are not so arrogant that they dont watch trends, so silly as it may sound they wont want camera phones eroding any of their coolpix market ,
Most of these cameras are going to people shooters .. they do outnumber landscape guys by a considerable amount. Moire is a big deal to them, and fabric still is problematic with the d800 according to a couple of reps in the Nikon booth at WPPI. (of course, who knows if they know what they are talking about)Btw, I heard a surprising comment today from my dealer. They've had probably a 3:1 ratio of D800 : D800E pre-orders so far. I would have expected a lot more requests for the D800E actually, even knowing that it is a few hundred $$ more and probably going to be less available overall and shipping slightly later. This just seemed counter to what I'd heard elsewhere and yes I did clarify E vs non-E.
What are others hearing?
Not so sure about that one.... Any 'amateur' photographer i have ever met who had a D700 or a 5d could have written a book on any technical aspect of photography or their camera systems. If you doubt that call round to your nearest camera club meeting and you will probably leave feeling like the newbie!The vast majority of the D800 cameras are sold to people who don't have a clue what an AA filter is, but who believe firmly that the quality of their photography is proportional with the number of pixels multiplied with maximum ISO.
In both cases, just more statically insignificant antidotal information to support one agenda or another. :banghead:Not so sure about that one.... Any 'amateur' photographer i have ever met who had a D700 or a 5d could have written a book on any technical aspect of photography or their camera systems. If you doubt that call round to your nearest camera club meeting and you will probably leave feeling like the newbie!
Seriously, I am not trying to be rude Marc but having read that several times I am none the wiser as to what your point is.In both cases, just more statically insignificant antidotal information to support one agenda or another. :banghead:
Camera club members may indeed be "well informed" as to the technical capabilities of their chosen gear, but the correlation to the number of cameras sold in the $3,000 or below category is an unknown.
I see upwards of 20 to 30 people with decent DSLRs at any given wedding I shoot, some with better gear then me at times. Few even know how to drag the shutter when using flash ... let alone what effect a AA filter may have on an image. However, I wouldn't extrapolate some generalized quali/quant data from that antidotal experience.
What is significant is that Nikon chose to also offer the camera with the AA cancellation filter ... so there MUST be enough potential to justify doing it in the first place.
-Marc
Why not just say that, instead of trying to prove it with questionable antidotal resources like camera clubs? Some clubs around here are not as sophisticated as your's seem to be. That's my point.Seriously, I am not trying to be rude Marc but having read that several times I am none the wiser as to what your point is.
My point was that people buying cameras in the price range of a D800 usually know what they're doing.
My point was that people buying cameras in the price range of a D800 usually know what they're doing.
The two are you are obviously missing the correct conclusion here: tech-nerds buy Nikon; ignorant buffoons buy Canon! :ROTFL:BTW, antidotally, I know a LOT of amateur photographers with 5Ds that barely know how to turn on the camera ... price of camera doesn't always equate to knowledge ... it simply means they have the money to buy better.
-Marc
Ah, I was wondering if you were calling me a bullshitter, now I see you were.Why not just say that, instead of trying to prove it with questionable antidotal resources like camera clubs? Some clubs around here are not as sophisticated as your's seem to be. That's my point.
BTW, antidotally, I know a LOT of amateur photographers with 5Ds that barely know how to turn on the camera ... price of camera doesn't always equate to knowledge ... it simply means they have the money to buy better.
-Marc
Lars - Matt - thanks for the sums - not sure my little 13"mbp would be up to thatI'm getting 1.44 micron pixel size, so a FF would be.. yep, 415 MP, and an IQ180 size chip would be about 1.15 GP. Talk about a computer upgrade!
--Matt
Hi GrahamBtw, I heard a surprising comment today from my dealer. They've had probably a 3:1 ratio of D800 : D800E pre-orders so far. I would have expected a lot more requests for the D800E actually, even knowing that it is a few hundred $$ more and probably going to be less available overall and shipping slightly later. This just seemed counter to what I'd heard elsewhere and yes I did clarify E vs non-E.
What are others hearing?
I think AntiDotal is a fab word . . . and I didn't know that anyone ever went to a camera club . . do such things really exist? How strange.Oh, and for what little it may be worth, the word you're looking for is "anecdotally" instead of "antidotally". I doubt the latter is a word at all, but if it was, it would probably mean something about an antidote -- i.e., related to combating the effects of a poison, or something on that order. "Anecdotal" means based on anecdotes (stories).