Yes indeed, different folks have different use-cases.I can live without tilt, but I cannot live without the ability to use a ground glass if needed and lens selection.
-bob
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Yes indeed, different folks have different use-cases.I can live without tilt, but I cannot live without the ability to use a ground glass if needed and lens selection.
My wife refers to the Arca R as a robot cam as it reminds her of the face of a robot from a TV program she watched as a child. :loco:Yes, Arca cameras are engineered very well, but aesthetically I find the "R" series not appealing and when I gave the "R" a serious look at, I realized I would be paying for things I would not need. When you buy into the "R" series, you buy the entire package. You have more customization options with ALPA.
:ROTFL:My wife refers to the Arca R as a robot cam as it reminds her of the face of a robot from a TV program she watched as a child. :loco:
I understand how you would think that, but I do not know if it was an afterthought after the initial design or if it was their initial design with it being a more customizable system. I use the MAX and since I came from the 4x5" camera, I wanted the movements (we get use to our comfort zones). I do not know enough about the ALPA line history to call it an old design or not, but the MAX is an easy camera to operate. I use to say my camera was just a box, now I feel like it is a slice of light-weight metal with gliding movements and a lens.I do agree we have different tastes and possibly I am a techie camera geek as I much prefer the fact everything is built into the R camera body. I always found it unforgivable that Alpa manufactured a big old camera in the MAX but found it acceptable to only offer either rise/fall or shift on the standard camera. The only way to get both was to add another accessory (stitch adapter) to the camera to get it to work as most normally use a tech camera. Just seems short sighted (or greedy) to asked people to continually buy bits to get it to function as it should do in the first place.
Yes, for some ALPA users it is good news, although I will not be buying it. Is the MECCANO sales model the "Erector Set" they sell here in the states? If so, I guess that is one of the reasons I decided to stay with ALPA; for the ability to choose how to dress up the box.Its great the adapter has been released and shows Alpa listens to its customers requests but the Meccano sales model just bothers me.
Yes sorry, I thought it was an international product name.Is the MECCANO sales model the "Erector Set" they sell here in the states?
Gotta say I think you've taken the original comments the wrong way - they were light hearted and not intended to offend, I'm sure.You seem to be very proud of your totally overdriven sarcasm which is entirely
inappropriate here and almost an offence .
Is that the way a discussion should be here in the forum ? No , surely not .
With Alpa updating their tilt-swing offerings it seems a good time to get an updated survey of the pancake Tilt Shift options out there.
Cambo Tilt and Swing:
- requires lens retrofit into TS mount
- widest Schneider: 43mm
- widest Rodenstock: 28mm
- tilt and swing can be applied simultaneously
Arca Tilt and Swing:
- built into body, every lens works without retrofit
- widest Schneider: 24mm (all)
- widest Rodenstock: 23mm (all)
- tilt, or swing, not both at the same time
Alpa Tilt and Swing:
- requires lens retrofit, and separate adapter
- widest Schneider: 60mm
- widest Rodenstock: 32mm
- tilt, or swing, not both at the same time
Feel free to make any corrections, or to add other pancake platforms to the list.
Have to agree with Dave and Peter here, looks nice just wish the SK wides are not getting left out on this solution but given the IQ 180 for example than Rodie is about the only choice for wide angle , now this. The good news it just may puch Schneider to make some needed changes to there lens lineup.Dave - maybe wait it out till Photokina. I do not think we have heard the whole story here. I too am a bit disappointed that there are no immediate solutions for wide SK lenses, but the announcement today was pretty much what was expected: tilt/swing for the Rodie lenses. That some of the SK mid-range lens also benefit from this is good. But again, there are more things coming I'm told.....
Cheers, -Peter
Hartblei HCam
- Utilises tilt/swing/shift of available lenses
- Widest, Canon 17mm TS-E
- Tilt and swing can be applied simultaneously (axis on which the lens tilts can be rotated)
OK, so it's a bit of a fat pancake, I'll grant you that