any ideas around here? be very keen to see it
any ideas around here? be very keen to see it
Remind me to ban the PC users. LOL
Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.
"In the end, it's all about the pictures"
guys you really believe USB3 will ever be available on the iq series?
my guess is that p1 did some major mistake while development and just cant solve it, no pun intended, happens.
deal with it and move on
Who cares about USB3 - I want a thunderbolt port in the IQ backs.
I don't know how all this works but you must need to pay some sort of licence to use cutting edge connection protocol like USB3 or Thunderbolt. If I was P1 and had to support and pay a licence on one of these two technologies I know which appears more high tech to end users...........
who cares in general? As a photographer, I choose my camera much before I choose a macbook air, etc. Right now the backs are what they are, buy a computer that adapts to your camera, not the inverse. I much prefer that Phase One spends their money and time on Capture One and the things that actual create great photos(example: R&D on new upcoming backs, higher iso capabilities, better color rendition). Sorry to say, a USB3 will not help you create better photos...
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If this had been a car we'd have seen a class action lawsuit by now
Would be amazed if it's a technical issue - why launch the Credo backs knowing there's an inherent problem? If it couldn't be resolved they would have just changed the case to cover the USB port methinks.
In these situations (i.e. one that drags on forever) transparency seems to me to be the best and most decent option. Whether you would use USB3 or not isn't the issue - the consumer bought and paid for something that hasn't been delivered. Would be good if someone from Phase / Leaf spoke up and said what the issue is - technical, licensing or whatever, and what the timeline is to resolution. Or, if it can't be resolved, what Phase/Leaf are prepared to do about it.
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From the Phase One site, "The IQ series digital camera backs are the first digital backs to feature a USB3 connection, facilitating faster image transfers than ever before." They even have an image with a cord plugged into it like it actually #^$% works! Unbelievable! What balls they have.
I don't know about a class action: the sleazy class action lawyers won't touch a case with such a small class. But it sure seems actionable. They sell a product by advertising its features, and then fail to deliver on one feature that many buyers consider important and relied upon when choosing to buy. It sounds like a breach of contract.
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As we all realize this is a long-standing issue that has concerned, and even angered, many users of the IQ series. Of course the importance of a high speed UBS 3 connection will vary with individual needs but there can be no question that what was promised was not delivered and that the decision to purchase by some was influenced by the advertised specifications. At this point it is really up to P1 to be either honest regarding the difficulties they are having or release the driver. If they don't, they will loose all credibility concerning the IQ series and any other hardware they MAY market in the future, MF or otherwise.
I just got a call from a P1 rep. Says that the UBS deficit is the fault of George Bush and the Congressional Republicans. What are the odds of a resolution in light of this information?
Sorry about my sense of humor. Even I do not find it amusing when I think about it.
reminds me of that
"In the third quarter of 2006, Phase One plans to introduce a $6000 upgrade to allow "very high speed" wireless transfer from its backs. The company predicts an operating range of 25 meters – a bit more than 80 feet."
Phase One Announces Three Digital Backs and Wireless Transfer - Pro SLR / Digital Backs - DigitalCamerainfo.com
promises promises promises
IMO the announced USB3 capability is a much more concrete "promise" to deliver than a tentative "plans to introduce" a high speed wireless transfer "upgrade" that you would have to shell out more money to obtain. So you're not out any money.
We've already paid for the USB3 capability. It has the USB3 port already built into the IQ MFDBs.
So we wait. And wait. And as Donald has pointed out the importance of USB3 capability varies according to individual needs. Maybe it's a power issue? (Firewire provides power; USB draws power away).
I trust that Phase One will delivery eventually though I'm not one who "needs" USB3---and I really don't want to be buying a MS Surface Pro at the moment. But there are those who could benefit. And I like those options...
Although I think there can be a certain amount of "buyer beware" (of unfulfilled promises) counter arguments applicable here, I think it's really bad form that P1 (or any company in a similar position, a la Hasselblad with it's battery addition,) would continue to market their product as having USB3 when it obviously doesn't – except for the cosmetic addition of a dead plug!
You paid for the USB3 capabilities? Or the capturing capabilities of the IQ backs with touchscreen interface? To me the release of Capture One 7 helps everyones photography far more than a USB3... I am quite happy their money is being spent on this rather than USB3...
I am glad that YOUR needs have been met and that YOU believe that P1 R&D is being spend where it best serves YOUR needs. YOU sound like so many today in that YOU appear to believe YOU know what is best for everyone. As a result, the real issue at hand becomes obscured. This is why P1 gets away with it's behavior. However, it will eventually become evident to P1 that you reap what you sow.
BTW- While C1 Pro 7.0.2 probably has superior skin tone rendition with P1 backs it still has a long way to go to come even close to the performance and feature set of either LR or PS.
There is no question: Phase One promised this feature (and continues to promise it) and it's long overdue. For many/most users it's not of much consequence. For some users it's a pretty big deal. For all users it's very reasonable to expect all promised features of a system you've purchased to be delivered.
All I can tell you is that we've been consistently told, and every sign I've seen, is that: 1) it will happen and 2) it's the highest development priority at P1DK right now.
Pays to be a pessimist... if you don't get what you didn't anticipate, then no big deal, if you do, then great. Phase could have very well have not implemented USB3 at all and no one would bat an eye.
I personally don't know how any photographer who shoots threader can not consider this as a major growing issue when stumping up the cash in question for a new P1 back. Relying on the hollow promises, (now for over 2 years?) ignoring it is just silly.
Sure, the camera works great at the moment but with Apple dropping support for firewire on virtually all its machines and the only solution is a string of adapters and cables to make it all work its a pretty important feature IMO.
Whatever happens with the USB port in the current IQ's, the IQ Mk2 must have USB3/Thunderbolt for it to have any future.
Thanks, Doug----good to hear.
The cats are impatient (I really don't like cats either) so it would be nice to see USB3 implemented soon. Don't make Donna and Kenna come out of retirement.
Granted my normal studio setting is a 100' cliff face and several miles away from any sort of computer. I bought the IQ for what it could do at the moment - not what it will be capable of doing in the future. If I need to shoot tethered I can still use the firewire so not having USB is of no real consequence after all there's still the firewire.
I do think it bad form on Phase's part to not address the current status leaving it up to the dealers instead to make excuses. Phase needs to revamp their advertizing until such time as they get the bugs worked out.
Just my 2¢
Possibly the biggest challenge may be some expectation of faster captures then firewire 800. That may not or is likely not going to happen.
Probable case: equal to slightly faster on usb 3, slower when operating on a backwardly compatible usb 2 post.
Every modern* Phase One back works with Thunderbolt today. It doesn't require a "string of adapters" only one (1) small dongle which costs $29.
For that price you can gaffe tape or superglue one to the end of your firewire cables if you feel it awkward; though I'd tell you it's not needed, the [cable>adapter>port] physical connection is actually more solid than the native FW800 physical connection (which can easily walk it's way out if you wiggle it back and forth).
*P, P+, IQ
I spent $4000 on a windows laptop when I purchased the IQ 160 in anticipation of a functioning USB 3 connection as was advertised. Thunderbolt is of no use to me unless P1 wants to spring for a new Mac AND the appropriate only $29 connector. As much as you might try there is really no way you can support both P1 and your clients on this simple and straightforward outstanding issue.
Here is what I wrote: "There is no question: Phase One promised this feature (and continues to promise it) and it's long overdue[...] it's very reasonable to expect all promised features of a system you've purchased to be delivered."
My post about Thunderbolt was entirely separate (and a bit off topic). Gazwas was requesting native Thunderbolt support on future backs and I was asking why he would want that when all modern P1 backs already support Thunderbolt with a simple adapter. Obviously as a Windows user that conversation has no bearing on you. P1 promised USB3 and P1 owes you USB3.
Every modern Phase One back (and the Leaf Credo) can run off it's own battery while tethered, so you just select "battery power", plug in the cable, and start shooting. The only "chain of adapters" are for older Leaf backs and other brands of back which do not have the ability to run off their own batteries while tethered.
Using the Thunderbolt adapter (with modern P1 and Leaf Credo) is stable, simple, and fast. I don't know what avantages a native Thunderbolt port on a future Phase/Leaf would provide other than eliminating a single $29 adapter (and would obviously raise the price of the back by much more than $29). But I'm open to learning there is a meaningful advantage I'm overlooking.
[again this Thunderbolt conversation is offtopic and separate from the issue of whether Phase One is responsible for implementing a promised feature on their current backs; I agree they are responsible to do that]
I have brought up the USB 3.0 issue a number of times in the past and have been just shy of insulted for not simply buying an apple product to run it.
The port is there and I belive it was not put there to help Don keep track of his memory stick!
There are promises and there is bullsh*t.
At present the USB port activation is vapour ware and has personally cost me THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
P1 picked USB3 whick maxes out at 4.5watts power over cable I think - if they can't get that to juice the backs up then Thunderbolt with 10watts over cable must be a better option......?
My point being I'm not bothered what they get working, all I know is if P1 need to get a simple, no nonsence tethered option working for the future. Is that such an unusual request Doug?
But yes, I agree they need connectivity other than FW (and Thunderbolt) given that it's reasonable to expect IQs will still be in common use in 10 years (I'm basing that on the continued common use of the H20/H25). Neither FW nor Thunderbolt is of much use for portable Windows users now that Express Cards are becoming rare. All these reasons are why they included USB3 on the IQ.
So I think we both agree: they need to get USB3 working, and soon! They are long overdue on that.
FWIW, I think the powered USB3 standard is still in flux, so not totally a P1 screwup. Remember that USB, unlike FW is a very wide "open" standard. I agree that the marketing was a little too aggressive, but at the same time, I would argue that most users have a suitable alternative with FW.
I would like to add to Doug's comment. USB3 is arriving soon.
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I have no dog in this fight, however I applaud P1 for taking the initiative to add an alternative transfer method when tethered, which Hasselblad has not even addressed or acknowledged ... assumedly relying on FW800 and some Thunderbolt adapter for exclusive Mac usage.
That P1 is very late implementing the USB-3 seems to indicate a difficult task at hand, and perhaps the marketing was aggressive ... yet the alternative would have been not to include the USB-3 on the backs until it was fully working and really piss off early and current IQ adopters when it was added later ... later being now when it is starting to become a more critical matter due to what the computer companies are doing.
Not saying P1 owners shouldn't grouse about it to keep the fire lit under P1's rump, but be thankful it is there ... in IMHO.
I for one hope that they take the time and care to deliver a rock-solid implementation.
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I'd prefer a tablet style for tethering, as its small, light and simple - the clamshell of a laptop, however small, is somewhat awkward on the street. I used a convertible Fujitsu, and that's kind of great, but heavy for a solo trekker. I would consider an Air when it moves to Retina screen, but it hasn't. Yet. I would consider a 'iPad Pro' with USB3 / Thunderbolt and real Intel processor in it, but that doesn't exist. Yet.
Am happy to work on Windows or Mac, they both have the same damn processors in them, so whomever gives me the best form factor and screen, i.e. the right tool, I'll take it. If... Phase would just damn well deliver USB3 functionality.
I think native thunderbolt is what is being referred to, and I'm sure Phase is considering it for the next iteration of backs, especially if adaptors like those from Apple work so the back only has one port but can effectively interface to TB, USB3, or FW 800.
It's in the immediate pipeline. Can't be more specific I am afraid.