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    Mamiya ZD | 80mm F1.9
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    CFV-11 16 205TCC 100/2 FE - hand held.

    btw - 'fat pixels', 'fat light' and 'Elephant Gun Backs' - I should have copywrite the expressions -

    More seriously - totally agree on the comments regarding Sinar 'linear' colour - the 75LV in 'fat natural light' delivers the most 'realistic colour' one can hope for - by a long long way. Leaf backs deliver the best 'slide : E6 look' - straight out fo the box - love them both - Hasselblad Kodak backs deliver a more Kodachrome look straight out of the box - all these sub 40 megapixel type backs are now pretty much priced less than a Leica S lens - pretty much cheap enough now to have a back on each of your systems !! Skin tones on Leaf and Phase are excellent - depending on the profile you choose.
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    This was shot some years ago , when I still had my CFV-16 .
    HASSELBLAD 503CW CF SONNAR 4/150 . In the meantime , I regret very much , that I gave that back away . Good used ones are very rare .

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    Jürgen, that is perfect - I love the Sonnars (150 and 180) for portraits - magnificent.

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    Mamiya 645 AFD w. P25, 80mm f/1.9

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    Re: fat pixel digital backs

    I have like a trillion shots from Fat Pixel backs

    Started with an original square 16 meg Kodak Proback on a V camera, moved to a 16 meg square ProBack 645C on a Contax 645, used a Imacon Xpress 22 meg on a V camera, then a H1 converted to a H2 with a 22 meg rectangle sensor, then back to a 16 meg square CFV and CFV-II on both a 503CW and 203FE.

    The best combo IMO was the Kodak 645C Proback on the Contax 645 camera ... and my pal Irakly still shoots a Contax 645 with a 22 meg Phase One back that is even better. That was closely followed by the Hasselblad 203FE with a CFV-II back.

    Here are a few I could dig up since it has been awhile since I shot with one of these backs, so most of them are on HDs buried somewhere in my archives

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    Awesome shot Mamy645

    and Marc - the third one has captured massive emotion - I reckon begging for B&W 'treatment' dude.

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    I knew there were many excellent "fat pixel" images lurking in the shadows (or hard drives) of GetDPI members! I'm still hoping to see some of the images from Shelby Lewis here.

    It was a review of the original CFV-16 by Marc that got me hooked on the idea of getting a MFDB. I had purchased my first Hasselblad, a 501CM, not long before I read his review. Thankfully, I've held onto my CFV-16II ever since, despite the many temptations presented by higher resolution backs etc. There's only one camera that tempts me now, the Pentax 645D, but I won't be parting with the CFV to fund a 645D....not a chance.

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    Do not look, do NOT look!....

    Would you guys rather have a CFV16 with its crop or a aptus 22mp back? The aptus' got the same sized sensor with 1.1 crop and is cheaper than the cfv16

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    Aptus and crop square as you can choose later. The UI and workflow plus larger touch screen really help in usability and control on any camera.

    The only downsides would be the sync cable and less pretty aesthetics with the V bodies :-)
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    Mamiya RB67 | Mamiya ZD | 50mm C
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    Great idea to have a thread dedicated to fat pixel backs. I really love my Aptus 22. I even sold all of my 35mm gear and solely shoot MF and LF film (which is pretty stupid, I know). It's funny that I can shoot digital and film which is much newer than my digital solution with the exact same camera...

    645 AFD II, 50mm Shift at f8, 30s.
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    These fat pixel backs are horrible. I don't know why we put up with them

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    That's one helluva pic Graham...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    These fat pixel backs are horrible. I don't know why we put up with them


    I treat mine as a DSLR...

    albiet a very slow, and very(very) heavy DSLR...

    I love my H25.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    That's one helluva pic Graham...

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    Thank you Peter. It's one of my favorites (and conveniently already in the gallery) and just goes to prove that you don't need humongous mega pixels. I also shot the same shot with my IQ160 on my Alpa and to be honest I prefer this version. Just different and the clouds were more moody.
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    I have not owned a 22 megapixel back, but got to borrow one during the autumn last year. Very good image quality despite the age of the back. The owner bought it second hand for ~$3000 and uses it with vintage cameras like Mamiya RZ and Sinar X. Dead-cheap MFD system and super-fun, and image quality is as good as modern cameras 10x the price, just with lower resolution. It's a great time to be MFD amateur.

    Hasselblad CF22, Linhof Techno, Schneider Digitar 47mm @ f/11, with tilt and some fall. (This is just a basic raw conversion, haven't done any local edits, for a print I would darken the sky a bit to balance the light.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Awesome shot Mamy645
    Thanks Peter.

    I don't do much landscape photography, but here's one anyway. I think it was a 4 frame stitch on the Italian riviera. Mamiya 645AFD w. P25, 80mm f/1.9 @f/8.



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    From a series of portraits done for a poetry festival. Zhou is a Chinese poet. Linhof c679 and P25+ back

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    Fat pixel backs; the good, and the bad and downright ugly.

    The good; incredibly robust and malleable files.



    The bad and downright ugly; moiré!.



    Despite the bad and downright ugly I still love 'em.
    http://www.keithlaban.co.uk
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    Keith

    I agree to the bad and good things . Yes . And I am still trying to get a CFV-16 again after I traded mine in some years ago .
    I just missed a good one last weekend . They are very rare .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Keith

    I agree to the bad and good things . Yes . And I am still trying to get a CFV-16 again after I traded mine in some years ago .
    I just missed a good one last weekend . They are very rare .
    Jürgen, good luck with the search. I'll keep my eyes peeled for you.

    Best

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithL View Post
    Jürgen, good luck with the search. I'll keep my eyes peeled for you.
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    Thanks Keith . I hope to be successful the next time .
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    They are rare which means they are over priced. You could find a Aptus 22mb back with 1.1 crop for much less than CFV16

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    Aptus 22MP backs have a crop factor of 1.16. And if you are cropping to square, then a square sensor makes things simpler by taking out a step. Rare does not mean "overpriced." That is too simplistic.

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    The fact that a CFV-16 back is hard to find and is perhaps more expensive than a Aptus 22mb back (or similar) does not mean the CFV-16 is "over priced". There are good reasons why a devoted Hasselblad V system user might prefer a CFV-16 and be willing to pay a premium for it. Seamless integration, no sync cable etc.
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    I am only complaining because I can't afford one!! In fact I scour the web every night trying to find a bargain on it....so yeah, enjoy them if you have them
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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    The fact that a CFV-16 back is hard to find and is perhaps more expensive than a Aptus 22mb back (or similar) does not mean the CFV-16 is "over priced". There are good reasons why a devoted Hasselblad V system user might prefer a CFV-16 and be willing to pay a premium for it. Seamless integration, no sync cable etc.
    not to forget esthetics .
    Plus , as I also work with a CFV-39 and CFV-50 , there is no need to change my workflow . PHOCUS works fine for me .
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    Now that I am reducing demand on my MFD system needs and working primarily in studio, A CFV/39 or 50 on a good old 503CW would be just about a perfect set-up. 40IF, 100mm and a 120 Macro with tubes would do the trick quite nicely.

    Simply a beautiful kit with a fabulous tactile feel. Sigh.

    -Marc
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Now that I am reducing demand on my MFD system needs and working primarily in studio, A CFV/39 or 50 on a good old 503CW would be just about a perfect set-up. 40IF, 100mm and a 120 Macro with tubes would do the trick quite nicely.

    Simply a beautiful kit with a fabulous tactile feel. Sigh.

    -Marc
    I didn't have a good experience with the CF39 on my 503cw. One the looks didn't Jive but most importantly I couldnet get that back to be very sharp. I thought it was a calibration issue but others have experienced the same. The older bodies are not that precise so there are a lot of sample variation I feel

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    Re: fat pixel digital backs

    I'm imagining the ultimate Fat Pixel back for Hasselblad V-system owners.....a full square, 9 micron sensor which would be approximately 36 megapixels (just based on the 1.5 lens factor of the CFV-16).

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    Ideally if HY6 systems are doing better, back manufactures would've created the 6x6 digital backs. It would be incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    I'm imagining the ultimate Fat Pixel back for Hasselblad V-system owners.....a full square, 9 micron sensor which would be approximately 36 megapixels (just based on the 1.5 lens factor of the CFV-16).

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    Oh yes Gary , dreams , dreams which I sometimes Dream as well .
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    It can be done, it was done with Dicomed Bigshot in the 90's (it was even 60x60mm), the color version was $55K.

    Unfortunately there's probably not a market for making a $50-$60K back to use with $3K vintage cameras... it would surely be nice images though.

    Hy6 is modern and has the image circle though, so the tiny hope is that enough systems are sold to make DHW strong enough to make this happen. Sinar is a small player that can do digital backs, so one does not have to be Phase One to make it happen...

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    I really wish MFD would have evolved into larger sensors instead of just an increase in MP. Give me a 6x6 sensor for my Hassy and a 6x7 sensor for my rz67, even with 22-40 MP, and I would be in heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammy645 View Post
    I really wish MFD would have evolved into larger sensors instead of just an increase in MP. Give me a 6x6 sensor for my Hassy and a 6x7 sensor for my rz67, even with 22-40 MP, and I would be in heaven.

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    All eyes on Leaf with their HY6 commitment. Can't be that hard. The large CCDs sensors are pieced together by smaller CCDs anyway. I have a feeling that the next generation Credos are going to have a 6x6 option.

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    Dream on.

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    got an offer for a P21 back. It's been used heavily, almost 60k actuations now, but for a good price. How is the P21, and should I expect the back to fall apart at this usage?

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    got an offer for a P21 back. It's been used heavily, almost 60k actuations now, but for a good price. How is the P21, and should I expect the back to fall apart at this usage?
    Seeing how digital backs have no mechanical parts the number of actuations should be irrelevant. If it looks like it's been well taken care of and the sensor is clean go for it.

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    Sometimes I use my back as I would use a polaroid back. A great way to save some $ on film. Like this shot:


    Almost no retouching done here.
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    Beautiful shot Max!

    Which back and camera did you use for this one?

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    The king of the FAT 9um pixel backs has to be the imacon/hasselblad ixpress CF 528. This is the multishot and micro step version with the capability to write to a CF card without the imagebank. It's got a nice display on the back as well.
    They are sometimes found with the CF-22MS label but overall pretty rare.

    My understanding is the best of the lot sensor chips were reserved for the multishot backs.

    Mulitshot works for limited subjects but still the quality is amazing. The CF 528 can produce a 10,800 by 8080 pixel file in true non interpolated color. Dynamic range is 1.5 - 2stops better in multishot mode than single shot mode.

    I have an 80mp back for my Rollei (AFi-ii 12) but have kept my CF 528 to use for special projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    I didn't have a good experience with the CF39 on my 503cw. One the looks didn't Jive but most importantly I couldnet get that back to be very sharp. I thought it was a calibration issue but others have experienced the same. The older bodies are not that precise so there are a lot of sample variation I feel
    Did you get the camera body calibrated? Hasselblad in the UK used to offer that as free service for buyers of the CFV. Never to late to get it done.
    Classic V, support for Hasselblad V system cameras.
    www.classicv.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    The large CCDs sensors are pieced together by smaller CCDs anyway.
    Actually they are not, i e there is one big chunk of silicon wafer than needs to be error free (hence exponential cost increase with larger sensors), but you do see a "stitching pattern" on the sensor as it is exposed in multiple sections, i e no machine can expose large enough to cover the whole sensor area in one exposure.

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    Re: fat pixel digital backs

    Here an image taken with HASSELBLAD 905SWC + CFV16 .
    I love the color rendering of that "fat pixel" back .
    Some getdpi members might already know this image .
    It was to proof , that the CFV-16 can also be used for architecture photography .

    Regards . Jürgen .
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    Beautiful shot Max!

    Which back and camera did you use for this one?
    Hi Gary, I'm using a Leaf Aptus 22 on an RZ67. I can't remember whether this was shot with either the non Apo 250mm W or the old 140mm Macro. Too bad that no lens data is recorded though. A feature I never really cared about but now totally miss with this combo...

    Maybe you have seen some images I posted in another thread to show the modification I did to the finder. I'm using a loupe that magnifies only the db crop lines in the center of my beattie intenscreen. so focussing is really easy btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Here an image taken with HASSELBLAD 905SWC + CFV16 .
    I love the color rendering of that "fat pixel" back .
    Some getdpi members might already know this image .
    It was to proof , that the CFV-16 can also be used for architecture photography
    Hey, Jürgen, remember it well!

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    I sold it. I know they use the same sensor but I prefer the CFV look on my 503cw (of course!)

    Hunting for another one now
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    Did you get the camera body calibrated? Hasselblad in the UK used to offer that as free service for buyers of the CFV. Never to late to get it done.

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    Hunting for another one now
    So am I .
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