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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    if you shift the horseman/35 about 10 mm each way, you basically overcome the crop. it takes my 40 x 40 mm sensor back to a 60 x 60 image. that would be about the same as a 21mm lens on a 35 mm camera
    the images i took were shifted the full amount

    so 36 x 48mm becomes 70 x 82mm (according to the horseman site)

    i find that the corners may not have the sharpness of the middle frame, it's not something that you'd notice in a single or double page spread.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    That means a 28mm on my back which equals 21mm FF 35mm. I love a 21mm focal length. The 35mm is about a 26mm with my Mamiya. So if i read this right Jim you picked up about one focal length with the 35mm shift to equal a 28mm which = 21mm with your 75S

    Hmmm maybe I am wrong here. Been a really long day, you folks don't know what I did today it is was stupid . I cleaned my grout in my tiles today. That is 1100 square feet of grout that been a long 12 years of kids, parties and you name it. It was sand color when i bought the house it was almost black. Honestly i should have written a check. But i rented a floor polisher with a big circler brush than some serious chemicals, yes i like living the chemical way . Than i used a Shop Vac to vacum the junk than rinsed and repeated. Okay i need a new back. I am crawling to my office. Never again. LOL
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Hey Guy,
    Drop that bucket of chemicals and go shoot something.
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Too high from the chemicals. LOL

    Bleach killed me off.

    I have a real job today. LOL
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    that's what i am shooting with my mf digital back
    c645, p25, bowens
    Something haunting about this image... maybe the expression on the naked girl's face. Don't know, but I like it.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Here is another one from yesterday, Bob lining up his lighthouse shot:

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Jack & Bob.....I love the sunny California images! All that blue sky and sunshine. Our summer has been so cool, gray and gloomy here in southcentral Alaska this year....I'd be happy to have a few days of that "boring light"! I wish you could send it north a few thousand miles.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    just fooling around and worked on this image. We were at the Lower Tonto Cliff Dwelling March this year. Mamiya AFD II P30+ 28mm lens 320@/8.



    Besides I wanted to post somthing other than a for sale image

    Enjoy

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Nice, Don. I'm jealous of your 28mm lens. Are using much blending of multiple shots at differing focus points for your landscapes, or are you finding that diffraction isn't having too much of an effect at or near f/16? I find myself walking a very fine line with regard to getting enough DoF in landscapes and I'm not a fan combining files if I can avoid it. I'm still learning the geometry of the this format and adjusting my setups accordingly.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I really love the look of the 28mm!

    Does anyone know why it is so much more expensive than the rest of the lenses?

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Don does a great job with the 28mm. While opinions seem to vary across the net about the sharpness of the corners, it is a lens that I've been eyeing for awhile also. If only the lens was priced at 3K vs 5K, I bet that Mamiya would sell quite a bit more copies of the lens.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    Don does a great job with the 28mm. While opinions seem to vary across the net about the sharpness of the corners, it is a lens that I've been eyeing for awhile also. If only the lens was priced at 3K vs 5K, I bet that Mamiya would sell quite a bit more copies of the lens.
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    I would be that when the new version of the Capture One Pro comes out there will be corrections for the corners. The Phocus software for the Hassy 28 does a great job with their 28mm lens.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I really need a 28mm . The question is for me for my Alpa or for my Mamiya. I keep bouncing that around. I know the Alpa solution is better just a load of money for the Rodenstock 28mm HR
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Guy, I'll probably end up going the Mamiya 28 route. I need the wide, but I don't need the deliberate set-up something like the Alpa would provide. I'm all about maximizing usability whenever possible.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I know the 28mm Mamiya actually gives me more use overall. Hard to find though
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post
    Nice, Don. I'm jealous of your 28mm lens. Are using much blending of multiple shots at differing focus points for your landscapes, or are you finding that diffraction isn't having too much of an effect at or near f/16? I find myself walking a very fine line with regard to getting enough DoF in landscapes and I'm not a fan combining files if I can avoid it. I'm still learning the geometry of the this format and adjusting my setups accordingly.
    Hi Dale, first thanks for the kind words.

    I use the 28 on a P30+ back thus there’s a little cropping going on so I really can’t comment on the corners. Every time I think I’d like to move up to the 45 (or dare I say the 65) I’m reminded of all the comments from users with full frame backs and the 28 and problems they’ve encountered with the corners. I’ve got a trip to Atlanta scheduled next fall and plan on camping out at Capture Integration to test several “items” while there; Sandy has no problem with this so long as she gets to hold my wallet.

    Regarding images and PP; no mater the lens used I always look for the image within the image and very rarely use an image without some sort of cropping. The native image size of the 28 (even using the P30+ back) is simply huge and in most cases I wind up cropping ever so slightly. [I took a single image shot with the 28 and just for kicks cropped then made it into a 30x60 image and surprise – it worked great!]

    I’ve had to do some blending when the sky I was shooting was just too difficult to capture; I think I’m beginning to do that more and more. I am doing a lot of masking in PP [BTW I use CS3 exclusively] and in some cases I have a heck of a lot of layers by the time I get through.

    It sounds corny but the more I do this the more I find that I’m listening to the image as it tells me where to go and what to do…..

    Hope this answers some of the questions. Again thank you for your comments.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I know the 28mm Mamiya actually gives me more use overall. Hard to find though
    Guy – as expensive as the 28mm is wouldn’t still be a cheaper route to go and still achieve great images?

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Playing around with more processing --- if the light sucked, process it --- here i went for an old-time, large format Polaroid look. Just having some fun:
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I love that tone Jack! How did you achieve that? It has a great platinum print look.
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Playing around with more processing --- if the light sucked, process it --- here i went for an old-time, large format Polaroid look. Just having some fun:
    That's very nice!

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Jack: I really like that treatment for that image. Nicely done.

    Don: Thank you for the detailed response. That helps me a lot. I tend to be very conservative in post and sort of even chastise myself when cropping, but I'm making adjustments in this attitude. I freely crop when shot with that in mind (more often now as I'm shooting a different aspect ratio), but I don't toss pixels freely. This has been a bit of stupid "rule" with me (likely due to the old days with transparencies). As I have been shooting this back (P25+) it's been a struggle at times to get the image depth covered (i.e. in focus front to back) if I compose a bit too tight, etc. Hyper-focal distance focussing has been mandatory for me with this system, where it was less so with FF DSLR stuff.

    I'll lighten up a little and be willing to shed a few more pixels I guess.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Thanks Guys. I actually did most of it using Nik Color and Silver FX plug-in demos. Was messing with teh demos to see if there's anything of interest for me, and have to admit there may be . Basically as a plug-in it just does things already available in CS, but puts them together in an organized fashion and makes life a little easier.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Aptus 75, Zeiss 110/2 ISO 800



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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Playing around with more processing --- if the light sucked, process it --- here i went for an old-time, large format Polaroid look. Just having some fun:
    Love it

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

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    I really need a 28mm . The question is for me for my Alpa or for my Mamiya. I keep bouncing that around. I know the Alpa solution is better just a load of money for the Rodenstock 28mm HR
    I think you should go with 28HR because eventually(just after Photokina) you will end up with P65 and Mamiya28mm won't be that good anymore... I would go with 28HR for sure... make more money and if you must than add 28mm Mamiya

    Personally, I purchased 28mm f4.5 D. AF just because of the AF convenience, that's all!!!

    If you like, I'll sell my 28mm f4.5 D. AF to you/others.... if I need extra $$$ for P45+/P65+

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Hi Natasa, can you provide your thoughts on the Mamiya 28mm lens? Your opinion would be appreciated.

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    Jack,

    The image is very very good...

    Are the torn edges part of the plug ins or something you constructed in CS3?

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Jack:

    exceptional image, and it does remind me of the old 4x5 polaroid positive/negative film look

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    Hi Natasa, can you provide your thoughts on the Mamiya 28mm lens? Your opinion would be appreciated.

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    Kurt, you can read about my opinion made not long ago > Link: Here

    Just to make sure... at that time we didn't know about P65+

    My Options are......

    UPDATE:
    in short words, if I stay with P30+ for sure I will keep 28mm f4.5 D. AF

    If I don't have enough $$$ to pay for P45+ or P65+... I will sell it because
    I'm getting 24XL anyway!!!


    If I happen to have enough $$$ to buy P45+ or P65+.... I'm thinking.... in addition to 24XL Schneider, I could replace 28 Mamiya with 28HR and be 110% HAPPY

    If I win National Lottery, I keep them all... furthermore I promise to send a brand new 28mm f4.5 D. AF to Guy on his Birthday

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Natasa you and i need to join the debate team. I keep banging my head on this one.

    I got Lance working on something , not sure what he is up too but it can't be good. LOL
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    If I win National Lottery, I keep them all... furthermore I promise to send a brand new 28mm f4.5 D. AF to Guy on his Birthday



    Now that is someone to love. LOL
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Jack,

    The image is very very good...

    Are the torn edges part of the plug ins or something you constructed in CS3?

    Bob Moore
    Hi Bob:

    The Pola edges were in the FX Color demo. It's automated so you cannot tweak it, but still pretty cool.
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    Jack:

    exceptional image, and it does remind me of the old 4x5 polaroid positive/negative film look
    Thanks John:

    Bob gets 100% credit for the composition though -- he saw it and I shot it after him. It was only later I decided it might make a neat "old time" image.
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    Natasa you and i need to join the debate team. I keep banging my head on this one.

    I got Lance working on something , not sure what he is up too but it can't be good. LOL

    Well, let me tell you something.... the thoughest debate I have are always the once when I have to talk my self out of selling something that I love, to buy something that I need!!!

    So along those steps I learned to deal with Mother patience although I am far from being her best kid

    Guy, it's easy from now on.... not worth banging your head over it and I mean that seriously!!!

    Basically what you have is:

    CONVENIENCE vs. QUALITY
    Workshop vs. Future

    I think for you..... it should be more about 24XL vs 28HR and I would tell you to go for 28HR
    obviously because of the bigger circle that will draw some serious images on your new P65+

    Not to mention that if you ever want to sell your 28HR I am here to buy it... shame on me hehehehehe....
    now I sound like Danny Devito in Twins or definitely like those filthy jewellers who buy gold teeth/etc.

    As far as 28mm f4.5 D. AF goes.... think of it as purchased, just not delivered yet at least
    that is my current therapy prescribed by my accountants hehehehe..... and believe it or not it works wonders

    Remember..... If we could do it with Leica and have all their lenses + put up with their BS on daily basis!!! We can do it here easily and with a perfect excuse Especially, with the current and soon to be available P65+ backs!!!

    Guy, worst case scenario.... I wouldn't go about too many WA lenses, instead (as I said before I am ready to sell to you/others my 28mm f4.5 D. AF) I would buy 'ultimate' one 24XL or 28HR and in your case 28HR and save the rest for P65+

    Just remember my therapy and you'll end up having more than you need

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    If I win National Lottery, I keep them all... furthermore I promise to send a brand new 28mm f4.5 D. AF to Guy on his Birthday



    Now that is someone to love. LOL
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Jack wants me to get the Mamiya 28mm and just sell the Alpa gear and be done with it. It is a better overall tool for me. i can get more use from the Mamiya 28mm . I'm just stubborn. Let's see what Lance can put together but it might mean getting a Cambo with a 24mm and 35mm lens. So I may put the Alpa TC and 47mm up for sale or trade out for the Cambo setup, man that hurts just thinking about it. The thing is I like the Mamiya 28mm when I tested it just those corners bug me
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    Jack wants me to get the Mamiya 28mm and just sell the Alpa gear and be done with it. It is a better overall tool for me. i can get more use from the Mamiya 28mm . I'm just stubborn. Let's see what Lance can put together but it might mean getting a Cambo with a 24mm and 35mm lens. So I may put the Alpa TC and 47mm up for sale or trade out for the Cambo setup, man that hurts just thinking about it. The thing is I like the Mamiya 28mm when I tested it just those corners bug me

    I've been there... you know by now how I think and personally with confidence I can say I wouldn't do that.... there's so much stuff around!!!

    With regards to getting 28mm f4.5 D. AF... the corners will bug you/others even more on a bigger sensor!!! This is why I said if you are shooting Automobiles it won't matter that much....

    CONVENIENCE? why not

    This is why I'm hoping not to sell it, but only if I can!!!

    Remember! One good reason to sell Alpa, Cambo, Horseman, Arca, etc. and just buy 28mm f4.5 D. AF and be done with it is to finally be able to SLEEP LIKE A BABY and I am huge supporter of that!!!

    If you remember, not long a go... I said my purchase of 28mm f4.5 D. AF was good for
    my cardiovascular system....

    So again my vote overall always goes to CONVENIENCE, of course Quality doesn't hurt if we can afford it
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    With all due respect, it is how your clients feel, rather than how you feel. If the corners are good enough for them, stick with the Mamiya, if it produces results that are unacceptable for your client, then obviously you will have to change the lens.
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    It's a good point Stuart
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    With all due respect, it is how your clients feel, rather than how you feel. If the corners are good enough for them, stick with the Mamiya, if it produces results that are unacceptable for your client, then obviously you will have to change the lens.
    Or just RENT A LENS

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I shot this girl yesterday... Her resemblance to Carole Buquet is almost scary. I am sure, you've seen "For Your Eyes Only" (and hopefully "That Obscure Object of Desire").
    C645/p25, 2/80

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Ahhhh ... the master of "Available Darkness" speaks again.

    Someday I will learn to use less light

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    Marc, these are two 500J Bowens flashes

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    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    I shot this girl yesterday... Her resemblance to Carole Buquet is almost scary. I am sure, you've seen "For Your Eyes Only" (and hopefully "That Obscure Object of Desire").
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    Irakly, I respectfully disagree; your model is far more striking to my eyes

    And a small FWIW: It is rumored Carole Buquet was a he before she became a she --- one of the first actors to get a gig after gender surgery...


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    "And a small FWIW: It is rumored Carole Buquet was a he before she became a she --- one of the first actors to get a gig after gender surgery..."


    According to Wikipedia, Carole Buquet has a son (they don't say adopted.) I don't think gender surgury has progressed far enough to make this possible for someone originally male.

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    Hi Mitchell: I am sure it is more one of those urban legends --- but also may be true... I only mentioned it to generate a little spirited discussion
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    Hi Jack,

    No problem. I'm just glad there isn't as far as I know a rumor out there that I used to be a woman. It's nice being unknown.

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    They're both beautiful, but I'll take the one with the crossbow!

    Mitchell -- I couldn't agree with you more...anonymity is a great gift in many ways.
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    "Carole Bouquet", if I may correct.

    Nice shots tough, Irakly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    I shot this girl yesterday... Her resemblance to Carole Buquet is almost scary. I am sure, you've seen "For Your Eyes Only" (and hopefully "That Obscure Object of Desire").
    C645/p25, 2/80

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Hi!
    Maby a good place for the first post in this forum?
    Ray, from Sweden, and a owner of a RZ and a P45. Very nice combination, at least the RZ and P45
    Use it for studio and landscape.
    I include one from the last studiosession.
    Som landscape later on.

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