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    "Changing light" (Grand Canyon) - awesome image Jack. Begs to be printed BIG.
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    Thanks Ed, thanks Frits! I will be printing that one big for sure, and hopefully tomorrow. I think I'll probably spend a little more time on localized editing first though.

    PS: Irony of ironies, that is arguably the worst lens technically in my entire MF stable, yet it continually produces some of my best images!
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    When I shot with a Mamiya 645, my most used lens was the 210mm f4 which apparently was rubbish, I didn't know it at the time, neither did the people who bought all those pictures over the years
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    I grabbed this shot with the 105-210 at around 170. It's amazing how well these old Mamiya "junker" lenses work:

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    Now that I am home the processing is much easier to see what I am getting. Hate laptops for processing.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I grabbed this shot with the 105-210 at around 170. It's amazing how well these old Mamiya "junker" lenses work:

    Very much enjoy the tonality in the dark foreground—without the detail and texture (to use Zone System terminology), it would simply be a big black blob (aka BBB).


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    Thank you Medium. Ironically, that foreground was *darkened* to the zone I - II levels on purpose for that reason. There is a lot of DR In MF files and it was captured at around II-1/2 to III-1/2 which to my eye was distracting the other direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Thank you Medium. Ironically, that foreground was *darkened* to the zone I - II levels on purpose for that reason. There is a lot of DR In MF files and it was captured at around II-1/2 to III-1/2 which to my eye was distracting the other direction.
    Aesthetically, you made the right choice. AA maintained that Zone II was the first zone with texture, and given film’s characteristic curve, that was appropriate in the day.

    Yes, digital has the range to move things about, especially in the lower tones—highlights can be problematic in my experience. I have never found the highlight tolerance that many reviews and tests espouse, so I always expose as if I’m using Kodachrome X! [dating myself?]

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    Indeed, you need to protect highlights to maintain color fidelity and tonality. FWIW, I go back to the days when my films of choice were Kodachrome 25 or Panatomic X
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Indeed, you need to protect highlights to maintain color fidelity and tonality. FWIW, I go back to the days when my films of choice were Kodachrome 25 or Panatomic X
    Just looked it up; K-X ran from 1962–1974 and I would have shot it in 1971 or ’72. K25 was a late-comer, around 1974. I always found it a bit wimpy after K-II and K-X—much more contrast in these films.

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    Here are two images shot on the lovely old medium, film. Rollei 2.8 FX. Location is the old quarter of Al Balad in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, March 2010.


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    love those rollei shots, esp the second one; great texture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    We just got back from our Winter workshop, here are a few of my images from it -- similar to others, but we compose and process slightly differently:

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    Mamiya 55-110 zoom at 55mm:


    Holy Crap this is killer

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    Thank you Viablex!

    Just for fun, I grabbed this one just after the one above, a repost from the trips thread: The first afternoon we had a lone snow storm cloud come right up the center of the canyon and start dumping its load while we were waiting for sunset. It was large so it did not appear as one cloud, but rather a small storm unless you viewed the entire length of it. The Sun was low enough to hit underneath it and gave us the changing side-light view, so I decided it might be a fun pano to try and grabbed it quickly. It is 7 frames at 55mm covering almost 180 degrees of view from the West end of the South Rim. This is 2000 pixels wide here, but the original would print 3 feet tall by 15 feet wide at 240 PPI with intricate detail. Not the greatest image, and I'd certainly need to work it more before printing it, but an interesting view we can't usually encompass with our normal vision:

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    Wooow, really impressive image Jack! BTW I love your Sutro Baths...

    Thanks to this forum my interest in shooting landscapes increased a lot and I realised how difficult this can be. There's just soo much to pay attention to...

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    I am much more confident shooting people. Recently a friend of mine rented a studio so I got the chance to fool around a bit. This is a guy I just met there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post

    PS: Irony of ironies, that is arguably the worst lens technically in my entire MF stable, yet it continually produces some of my best images!
    Jack, I have that same lens and cannot bring myself to sell it. It is a great focal length for full frame MF. A tad soft compared to the 75-150 but before the cambo it was my go to lens.

    I decided I would hold on to it until (if ever) they get the 35-90 digital zoom in production.

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    Thank you Max!

    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post

    I decided I would hold on to it until (if ever) they get the 35-90 digital zoom in production.
    Exactly -- and even then, I may keep the old 55-110 just because! I know,
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    Still working images . This may take until next week have a couple gigs to shoot but I kind of like this one shot with the 150 mm.

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    Jack and Guy... truly fantastic work. Loving the light quality in the workshop images. I've got my first visit to the GC this coming July... VERY excited.

    One from the other night:


    Cheers!
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    Jack and Guy... truly fantastic work. Loving the light quality in the workshop images. I've got my first visit to the GC this coming July... VERY excited.

    One from the other night:


    Cheers!
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    I am enjoying seeing your artistry expressed with the new "toys".

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    I grabbed this shot with the 105-210 at around 170. It's amazing how well these old Mamiya "junker" lenses work:

    You know... what I really enjoy about these images, Jack, is that although they have a clarity, resolution, and depth to them that you only get with MF, you still didn't artificially crank up the contrast a ton and destroy the turbidity (dustiness, if you will) of the air.

    The way the light has filtered through the air makes a huge difference on these... it gives them a real-ness; a bit more "life". The gradual lowering of zone placement as you get closer to the foreground also helps (I know you "helped" this a bit), but not near as much to my eye as the lessening of contrast as the distance-from-camera increases. It's as is if that pale blue sky is gradually swallowing the rock formations as one peers further into the distance.

    Lovely.
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    Here is a focus stack shot with the 80LS done in Helicon focus. 4 frames here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Lewis View Post
    Jack and Guy... truly fantastic work. Loving the light quality in the workshop images. I've got my first visit to the GC this coming July... VERY excited.

    One from the other night:


    Cheers!
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    preeeeety!!
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    Guess i liked what i was seeing i did it as a vertical as well. Focus stack 4 images

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    You know... what I really enjoy about these images, Jack, is that although they have a clarity, resolution, and depth to them that you only get with MF, you still didn't artificially crank up the contrast a ton and destroy the turbidity (dustiness, if you will) of the air.

    The way the light has filtered through the air makes a huge difference on these... it gives them a real-ness; a bit more "life". The gradual lowering of zone placement as you get closer to the foreground also helps (I know you "helped" this a bit), but not near as much to my eye as the lessening of contrast as the distance-from-camera increases. It's as is if that pale blue sky is gradually swallowing the rock formations as one peers further into the distance.

    Lovely.
    Ditto 100%! I think that is what gives Jack's (and Guy's) images such presence.

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    Thanks guys you're way too kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Lewis View Post
    You know... what I really enjoy about these images, Jack, is that although they have a clarity, resolution, and depth to them that you only get with MF, you still didn't artificially crank up the contrast a ton and destroy the turbidity (dustiness, if you will) of the air.

    The way the light has filtered through the air makes a huge difference on these... it gives them a real-ness; a bit more "life". The gradual lowering of zone placement as you get closer to the foreground also helps (I know you "helped" this a bit), but not near as much to my eye as the lessening of contrast as the distance-from-camera increases. It's as is if that pale blue sky is gradually swallowing the rock formations as one peers further into the distance.

    Lovely.
    Ditto 100%! I think that is what gives Jack's (and Guy's) images such presence.

    Thanks Shelby and Ed! We try to spend a fair bit of our time teaching how to process to specifically avoid over-cooking images. We believe a softer, natural look is usually best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralfsworld View Post
    I really like this one and few more from previous posts
    It is not so many MF wildlife photographer

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    Thanks Ralf. I'm not a wildlife photographer, per se... but the campus lakes here at LSU (Baton Rouge, LA) have a lot of birds that are pretty used to people. That little guy just seemed to sit there and pose for me!

    Thanks again,
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    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    preeeeety!!
    Thanks Darr!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Lewis View Post
    Jack and Guy... truly fantastic work. Loving the light quality in the workshop images. I've got my first visit to the GC this coming July... VERY excited.

    One from the other night:


    Cheers!
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    I like the tones in this.
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    I like the tones in this.
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    I much prefer the vertical version of your shot. It is a strong composition with the tree providing strength.

    The Helicon focus looks like it is doing a good job here for you

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    Well . . . . here we go with my new Alpa Max. + Hasselblad H4d 60 back + Alpa APO Switar 35mm lens. Two frames stitched by shifting the back. Not much of an image but it's taken a few hours to sort out flat frames and the like, working out presets for shifts. Color casts and vignetting were fully controlled in Phocus with the presets. Pixel dimensions of the finished tiff are roughly 13,000 x 9,000.

    Yeah, I really am a gear whore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Well . . . . here we go with my new Alpa Max. + Hasselblad H4d 60 back + Alpa APO Switar 35mm lens. Two frames stitched by shifting the back. Not much of an image but it's taken a few hours to sort out flat frames and the like, working out presets for shifts. Color casts and vignetting were fully sorted out in Phocus with the presets. Pixel dimensions of the finished tiff are roughly 13,000 x 9,000.

    Yeah, I really am a gear whore.

    Hey Woody, could you do me a favour and post a 100% crop of the bridge in the background?

    I like the lightning and the way the shadows fall.

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    The Beta arrived!

    Wonderful capture...I have not seen the Switar look better.
    (Irrespective of the dust.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Well . . . . here we go with my new Alpa Max. + Hasselblad H4d 60 back + Alpa APO Switar 35mm lens. Two frames stitched by shifting the back. Not much of an image but it's taken a few hours to sort out flat frames and the like, working out presets for shifts. Color casts and vignetting were fully controlled in Phocus with the presets. Pixel dimensions of the finished tiff are roughly 13,000 x 9,000.

    Yeah, I really am a gear whore.

    Looking very nice Woody. It's all there
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    Guy

    I much prefer the vertical version of your shot. It is a strong composition with the tree providing strength.

    The Helicon focus looks like it is doing a good job here for you

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    Thanks Woody it was the vertical i put on my new website. I liked it better too
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    The Beta arrived!

    Wonderful capture...I have not seen the Switar look better.
    (Irrespective of the dust.)

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    Did this in a rush - spotting to come.

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    Full fez screen shot grabbed from LR. There are a couple of digital artifacts that I'm working on but note the absence of moires.

    I've shimmed the back in accordance with Alpa's instructions. Focus appears to be dead on.


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    Woody the detail and DR are there but am I seeing some type of noise pattern. Maybe Phocus better here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Did this in a rush - spotting to come.
    Captures look great .... a couple of small spots not a big deal. Indeed nothing like my H343 Scans...too 4-5 HOURS per capture just to spot and I had very good dust free conditions. Wish I could say the same for my lab.

    It all looks good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Woody the detail and DR are there but am I seeing some type of noise pattern. Maybe Phocus better here?
    30 seconds is a long exposure...even at ISO 50.

    Into LR from Phocus or was it RAW into LR?

    I would imagine that clarity and noise redux in LR may help...in reciprocal fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post

    This is super... tones, dynamic range, color, sharpness (not to mention the great composition). It's all there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    Ditto 100%! I think that is what gives Jack's (and Guy's) images such presence.
    I have been very pleased with the negative Clarity slider in C1 for this purpose, specially with dusty or misty scenes.
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    Woody, congrats on the new rig --- looking really good!!!
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    Re: Fun with MF images

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Well . . . . here we go with my new Alpa Max. + Hasselblad H4d 60 back + Alpa APO Switar 35mm lens. Two frames stitched by shifting the back. Not much of an image but it's taken a few hours to sort out flat frames and the like, working out presets for shifts. Color casts and vignetting were fully controlled in Phocus with the presets. Pixel dimensions of the finished tiff are roughly 13,000 x 9,000.

    Yeah, I really am a gear whore.

    Looking good Woody!
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    Woody, How did you manage f2.0 on the Apo-Switar? And at 30 sec in daylight?
    Clearly this is not what you did .

    Cheers, -Peter

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    Raw horsepower.

    Hasselblad H1 / Phase One P25+, @80mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Thank you Viablex!

    Just for fun, I grabbed this one just after the one above, a repost from the trips thread: The first afternoon we had a lone snow storm cloud come right up the center of the canyon and start dumping its load while we were waiting for sunset. It was large so it did not appear as one cloud, but rather a small storm unless you viewed the entire length of it. The Sun was low enough to hit underneath it and gave us the changing side-light view, so I decided it might be a fun pano to try and grabbed it quickly. It is 7 frames at 55mm covering almost 180 degrees of view from the West end of the South Rim. This is 2000 pixels wide here, but the original would print 3 feet tall by 15 feet wide at 240 PPI with intricate detail. Not the greatest image, and I'd certainly need to work it more before printing it, but an interesting view we can't usually encompass with our normal vision:

    Incredible view and the middle of the shot is really good!
    Wonder how it feels to be there during the winter. I was there last summer and It was really hot.

    /Ralf
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