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    Another from yesterday in -8C weather. 55 LS. Snow squalls on the horizon!

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    Dialing down clarity also makes it blurry IMO.

    The only way to make skin "good" and real is hours and hours of
    cloning, healing and D&B.
    Last edited by Willow; 19th December 2011 at 07:33.

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    Can anybody tell me why my last picture is way off in color?
    It is way too magenta/red and way to saturated compared to how
    it looks in Photoshop.
    I converted to srgb, and when that didnt look good in Getdpi, I "prepared
    it for Web".
    That didnt make it different either .....

    Anyone??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    Can anybody tell me why my last picture is way off in color?
    It is way too magenta/red and way to saturated compared to how
    it looks in Photoshop.
    Anyone??
    Are you looking at it in Google Chrome on a mac. If so, Chrome isn't color managed. Safari is, and Firefox can be (if you turn it on). Could just be your browser.

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    I tried Safari, Firefox and Chrome on Mac.
    Same wrong colors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    I tried Safari, Firefox and Chrome on Mac.
    Same wrong colors
    In FireFox, you turn color management on by typing "about:config" as if it were a URL (and navigating to it like you would any normal url). That should bring up a page of settings with a place to enter a "filter" at the top. Type in "color_management" (without the quotes) and you should get three (or so) entries. The main one you care about is the color management mode, which you want set to 1. If it's not set to 1, double click that line and it'll let you edit the value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
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    … you might try processing it by dialing down clarity by 20-30 points for the skin and then layering that with a clarity +20 for the eyes and other details you might want to pick up.
    -bob
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    Thanks Ed but interested how you got to it from this thread?
    The link is in your signature Ben.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis Hustace View Post
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    Hi Curtis, this criticism/comment is based only on what I see on your post, and I concentrate on the last picture. BTW, congrats on getting a child relaxed; not always easy!

    1. Colour balance

    Too yellow-green to my eyes on my monitor, in Safari. Look at neutrals if possible to get white balance; the girl’s shirt and the woman’s jumper look grey to me. I did some Levels adjustments in PS via an adjustment layer.

    2. Contrast

    Seems too harsh to me, though ironically I find the fill a bit too heavy. Used Shadows/highlights in PS to open shadows, and lightened overall.

    3. Focus

    Spot on, but I find the sharp background distracting (and I feel pic is over-sharpened at the displayed size). I used a layer mask with lens blur to separate the background. A good and bad thing about MF is the relatively shallow depth-of-field; I am far more likely these days to use f2.8 or f4 to blur BGs (M645/Aptus 22) than I did in 35mm. What aperture did you use here?

    I also blurred a duped layer 3–4 pixels, using Lighten transfer mode at 25% to give a teensy bit of highlight glow.

    HTH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    looks happy???
    ditto!

    Seriously, is it just me or does it look like she has a lazy eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Lewis View Post
    Are you looking at it in Google Chrome on a mac. If so, Chrome isn't color managed. Safari is, and Firefox can be (if you turn it on). Could just be your browser.
    Chrome 16 is color managed on the Mac btw.
    Ylem ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Chrome 16 is color managed on the Mac btw.
    I'm running 16.0.9.... and it does not appear to be. Is there some secret menu I need to check ala Firefox, because it's not reading the profiles in my photos as of right now.

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    The colors look the same on both mine and others pictures on
    Safari, Firefox and Chrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    Dialing down clarity also makes it blurry IMO.

    The only way to make skin "good" and real is hours and hours of
    cloning, healing and D&B.
    At least for most purposes I try not to make skin too perfect. I used to and did spend hours of freq. separation style cloning and d&b but I thought that the ladies just looked well shall we say "unrealistically" good. I admit to cleaning up a large pore here or there, but my rule is usually something like (mostly) if it looks dry or red, then clean it up. If brown leave it be.
    The reduction in clarity is a gentler treatment than the blur I often see.

    As for the color of your post it appears a touch on the green side assuming that the background is gray. I meter it as around 194/199/193 on-screen
    -bob

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    Hi Curtis, this criticism/comment is based only on what I see on your post, and I concentrate on the last picture. BTW, congrats on getting a child relaxed; not always easy!

    1. Colour balance

    Too yellow-green to my eyes on my monitor, in Safari. Look at neutrals if possible to get white balance; the girl’s shirt and the woman’s jumper look grey to me. I did some Levels adjustments in PS via an adjustment layer.

    2. Contrast

    Seems too harsh to me, though ironically I find the fill a bit too heavy. Used Shadows/highlights in PS to open shadows, and lightened overall.

    3. Focus

    Spot on, but I find the sharp background distracting (and I feel pic is over-sharpened at the displayed size). I used a layer mask with lens blur to separate the background. A good and bad thing about MF is the relatively shallow depth-of-field; I am far more likely these days to use f2.8 or f4 to blur BGs (M645/Aptus 22) than I did in 35mm. What aperture did you use here?

    I also blurred a duped layer 3–4 pixels, using Lighten transfer mode at 25% to give a teensy bit of highlight glow.

    HTH!
    On my screen it also was a little too green to my taste.
    But yours where way too red.
    Here is my take on it.
    And only to show that colors and contrast are very much a personal taste.
    There are no right or wrong. IMO

    PS You have to click the picture to see the "right" colors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    The colors look the same on both mine and others pictures on
    Safari, Firefox and Chrome.
    Here's the difference (screen grab) between safari (on left) and chrome (on right) for me... latest macbook pro is my system... these don't look the same to my eyes. Notice how the color has changed, compared to the origina, once this screen grab was saved out of photoshop with the srgb color space:
    (which makes me wonder if Chrome is indeed reading the profile... but still rendering it differently than safari/firefox)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Lewis View Post
    Here's the difference (screen grab) between safari (on left) and chrome (on right) for me... latest macbook pro is my system... these don't look the same to my eyes. Notice how the color has changed, compared to the origina, once this screen grab was saved out of photoshop with the srgb color space:
    (which makes me wonder if Chrome is indeed reading the profile... but still rendering it differently than safari/firefox)

    I metered the background in your screen grab Shelby, and they look awful close to me.
    Check out the digitalcolormeter in the utilities folder in your mac to see at least what the files measures in the buffer. What is actually on your screen depends on your monitor.
    There is a color temperature shift left to right on each image so that the most right part looks a bit different than the most left part
    -bob

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    Go here and you can check your browser:

    http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter
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    Now, I am very confused .

    When I look at your screengrabs, the colors are like I want them and see them in PS. But I also saved my picture in srgb...

    And to my eyes, there are no difference in color on your screengrabs.
    Or so little, I cannot see it.
    They are both aprox. how I see my picture in PS.

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    just take a look at the test and you know if it is or isn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    ditto!

    Seriously, is it just me or does it look like she has a lazy eye.
    I think the reflections encourage the impression.

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    Took Shelby’s dual image into PS, and layered the RHS (Chrome) over the LHS, and found that the images are not exactly the same size—the RHS is a bit smaller. My intention was to show any colour variation with the Difference transfer mode, but this is obscured by the scaling difference. Wonder why the discrepancy? Anchored on the side of her mouth.


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    I noted sone variation in d-min readings varying up to 4 units of R and G, with 1 or 2 units of B (from a base of 0-0-0), when looking at the dark area top left (using the PS Eyedropper). This is easily explained by the low resolution, different images sizes and JPEG artifacts, but seems pretty marginal to me for those reasons.

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    AFDII+ZD+150/3.5


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    Just for the heck of it... Friends had a Ukranian folk stories party

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediumcool View Post
    I noted sone variation in d-min readings varying up to 4 units of R and G, with 1 or 2 units of B (from a base of 0-0-0), when looking at the dark area top left (using the PS Eyedropper). This is easily explained by the low resolution, different images sizes and JPEG artifacts, but seems pretty marginal to me for those reasons.
    I guess we're getting off topic, so I'll end my replies here... and take any comments off-forum... but to me the difference is pretty noticeable. The left-most image has, informally, less red to my eye... and looks more yellow/green. I know it's not enough to break the bank being that it's just web display, but it still bothers me. Apparently it's better now with version 16 of chrome (which I didn't realize)... it used to be a horrible difference. I'm glad to see them so close. My browser updated to 16 automatically and I didn't notice the better handling of color.

    Still the differences bug me. Thanks mediumcool for the detective work ... we pay big bucks for this color accuracy, so obvious discrepancies between sources that should be the same gets on my nerves.

    I metered the background in your screen grab Shelby, and they look awful close to me.
    Check out the digitalcolormeter in the utilities folder in your mac to see at least what the files measures in the buffer. What is actually on your screen depends on your monitor.
    There is a color temperature shift left to right on each image so that the most right part looks a bit different than the most left part
    I did exactly this last night on the exact same single-pixel location within the image (a medium highlight in the eye that was easy to discern) and the differences in rgb numbers were, to me, significant enough to corroborate a noticeable/viewable color shift.

    Thanks all for the interesting thoughts!

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    This thread is hitting 8,000 replies and half a million views. Amazing!!!

    I have to admit I don't follow all the comments all the time. I mean, I'm looking at 72dpi web images after all. I read some comments and I can't understand what the poster is saying because so many web images look like they could have been taken with a variety of cameras that were not mfd. I will admit to not having the discerning eye and experience of many. Yet I have learned a few things, like from the posts above about talk of different color with different browsers. I never thought about that before. Education is a wonderful thing.

    It is nice to have a place to see images taken with medium format and I guess that's the point. As Guy said in the first post, "have fun."

    So here's to the next 8,000 posts and looking forward to this thread (or a continuation of it) hitting the one million view mark.

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    Peace and love to all......'tis the season.

    And in the New Year....time for a CLA (aka...hitting the gym to work off the holiday lbs).

    503CWD, CFV-16II, CFi 100mm f3.5 lens

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    I really like this one Bill. Brings back memories of times I've visited the North Shore of Lake Superior in Minnesota. Where is this location?

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    Another from yesterday in -8C weather. 55 LS. Snow squalls on the horizon!

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    Gary, it's in Bruce Peninsula National Park, overlooking Georgian Bay - a ten minute drive and one hour hike from my home.

    Thank you for your kind comment. It was the warmth of the sunlit trees contrasted with the cold of the shadowed cliff face that appealed to me. I'd have preferred if the image were reversed - but pictorial honesty won't permit!

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    Forgive me for posting old images. I just want to hang out with the cool guys that still shoot medium format This is one shot in Kansas on the way to a workshop in Colorado a few years ago with a P30+. There were tornado warnings on the radio but I didn't know what county I was in, so I kept shooting.

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    This one was on the way home from the workshop.

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    Douglas, I can see why you want to show them, old or not!
    Nice!!
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    Thanks Bill.

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    Douglas - nice images
    Ylem ...

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    Pentax 645d, 55mm, handheld.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The other thread was getting long so I decided to start a part 2...

    Jim Collum and I met at the Sutro ruins this morning for an early shoot. The light went bad fast, but there was about 20 minutes of some decent early morning shooting. I am still learning how to process the Phase files so these are probably not optimal, but at least have figured out enpough where I can pretty much display what I saw. All shots were at f8 or f11 and ISO 50 or 100, and fairly long exposures, tripod of course. These first two are with the 55 lens:





    These next two are with the 35 lens:





    Cheers,
    Wonderful Photographs Jack, I like the second one very much. The human element sort of leads you to the Island. Looks like an image out of a fantastic dream.
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    From the garden this morning. I was expecting to be overcast, so part of the forecast was right. Nice to be able to take pictures in heavy, wet snow and not worry about the camera. Two frame stitch, handheld, Pentax 645D, 55mm. What you can't see, except for a few fakes close to the lens, is the snow failing in the frame.

    PS Happy Holidays everyone.
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    Wonderful Photographs Jack, I like the second one very much. The human element sort of leads you to the Island. Looks like an image out of a fantastic dream.
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    Home for the holidays and so I decided I might as well take some shots from my backyard. Mt Hood with it's hat on.

    Alpa 12TC, 90 HR-W 1/8s f/11

    Ylem ...

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    Truly amazing pictures Bill, Jack, Douglas and Graham!

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    Thanks for viewing.
    Merry Christmas everyone!
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    Mt Hood with it's hat on.
    Wonderful Graham. Love the colors.

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    wee bit of storytelling , to add to great landscapes above

    AFDII+ZD , 55mm/2.8 AF (older one)


    Walking in by Sergei Rodionov, on Flickr


    Descended by Sergei Rodionov, on Flickr

    Its a series shot like a comics. As a side note i must say that i yet again learned why i switched to MFD..B/c of weather conditions we had to shoot few frames with D700 (contacts on AFD were going natters and it couldn't fire trigger and we were freezing), and oh boy... dealing with those, side to side with rest of frames done on ZD.. What a difference it makes.

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    mamiya dm22 sekor 80 2.8 N

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    mamiya dm22 sekor 80 2.8 N
    I like it... it has impact without too much too dark shadow.

    Nice model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paolo d.j. View Post


    mamiya dm22 sekor 80 2.8 N
    I do feel sorry for you, Paolo, for having to work with such an unrewarding, unattractive model!

    Welcome, and more pictures please!

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    I would love to be a fly on the wall and watch you do a shoot and process images like these!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SergeiR View Post
    wee bit of storytelling , to add to great landscapes above

    AFDII+ZD , 55mm/2.8 AF (older one)


    Walking in by Sergei Rodionov, on Flickr


    Descended by Sergei Rodionov, on Flickr

    Its a series shot like a comics. As a side note i must say that i yet again learned why i switched to MFD..B/c of weather conditions we had to shoot few frames with D700 (contacts on AFD were going natters and it couldn't fire trigger and we were freezing), and oh boy... dealing with those, side to side with rest of frames done on ZD.. What a difference it makes.

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    hallo everyone,I'm new.thanks for watching

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    H4D60, HC150 plus 13mm extention ring.
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    Kodak 645m.

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    Very nice, Douglas - moody and effective.
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