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    Re: Fun with MF images

    not everyone wants the clarity/intensity of Strand, Penn, Lange, Karsh or Avedon, too bad in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    Thanks, it's interesting to compare digital to MF film.
    Yes, very interesting indeed. But which result best represents (color, etc.) what you see with your eyes?

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    ¿So how can "professionals" get away with using Canons?

    ¿Do they think that this blurring effect is flattering, or minimised post-production?
    Good point, but obviously it works for many, many photographers and their clients.

    But wouldn't a 50mm lens be a better comparison to the 80mm on the MF; each being considered the "normal" for the format?

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    The 1ds3 image is straight out of the camera apart from white balance correction and cropping.
    For me the comparison was for the detail which is why I'm moving to MF.

    I've never had any complaints about the 45+ weddings a year I do with my 1Ds3 either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    The 1ds3 image is straight out of the camera apart from white balance correction and cropping.
    For me the comparison was for the detail which is why I'm moving to MF.

    I've never had any complaints about the 45+ weddings a year I do with my 1Ds3 either.
    Excellent comparison (and beautiful portraits, particularly the MF/film one). What strikes me immediately is how the MF/film portrait jumps out of my monitor and etches itself into my graphic memory. With more DOF, the Canon portrait may or may not be closer to reality with regards to colours etc., but is that what I am looking for in portrait photography?

    Photography is not reality and with certain kinds of images, the objective is to get a result that looks like what my brain prefers to remember rather than what was actually there. Some films do that in an excellent way, not necessarily better than digital, but with more personality, a more direct approach. This one has impact, and my halfway sleeping plans to get into MF film photography has received a new boost. Thank you for that

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    Re: Fun with MF images

    Haven't posted any images for a while. Here's a few from last night.


    IQ180 with schneider 55mm


    duotone, IQ180 with 75-150


    IQ180 with 75-150

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    The first one has a really nice golden glow on the rocks in the center. Lovely images!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Fox View Post
    Haven't posted any images for a while. Here's a few from last night.


    IQ180 with 75-150
    Really like the stones Wayne. Where were these shots taken? The red stone (upper) appears to be a well-worn brick.

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    Oh yes, the picture of the stones!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dick View Post
    ¿So how can "professionals" get away with using Canons?

    ¿Do they think that this blurring effect is flattering, or minimised post-production?
    My girlfriend (without knowing the different camera) prefers the Canon image.
    I clearly prefer the film image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    My girlfriend (without knowing the different camera) prefers the Canon image.
    I clearly prefer the film image.

    I agree, i much prefer the film version the detail is astounding. However i can see why your girlfriend prefers the canon version, as it is more flattering to the models face

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    Re: Fun with MF images

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Fox View Post
    Haven't posted any images for a while. Here's a few from last night.


    IQ180 with schneider 55mm


    duotone, IQ180 with 75-150


    IQ180 with 75-150
    While my favourite is the last one, they are all superb. I can't fault any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    H1 + 80mm @ 2.8 + Portra 160



    For comparison / reference: Canon 1Ds3 - 85L @ 2.8 + ISO 100

    Why is there such a huge difference in light between the two? Also, what in the world is going on with her head shape in the canon shot? It looks completely distorted.

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    Really like the stones Wayne. Where were these shots taken? The red stone (upper) appears to be a well-worn brick.

    Tom
    This is in Maui about 10 miles before you get to Lahaina. I think they're natural, getting worn smooth by the wave action of the years, but not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammy645 View Post
    Also, what in the world is going on with her head shape in the canon shot? It looks completely distorted.
    The difference between using a normal lens and a telephoto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Fox View Post
    Haven't posted any images for a while. Here's a few from last night.


    IQ180 with schneider 55mm


    duotone, IQ180 with 75-150


    IQ180 with 75-150
    Ya did it again Wayne. I like all 3- however I really like this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rem View Post
    Oh yes, the picture of the stones!
    +1 for sure!
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    Wayne.. that is one hell of the set.. Great shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammy645 View Post
    Why is there such a huge difference in light between the two? Also, what in the world is going on with her head shape in the canon shot? It looks completely distorted.
    Different focal lengths. Flattening due telephoto. And 85mm typically isnt really for heashots, but for body shots.. so there you go..

    PS: arf... just noticed Shashin already answered that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    ....

    For comparison / reference: Canon 1Ds3 - 85L @ 2.8 + ISO 100...
    Not sure if you can call it "comparison". In both cases there is software involved which will affect the output dramatically.

    Unless you have very controlled situations and software values, you can't really compare.

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    Finally catching up on december

    AFDII + ZD + 150mm MF + couple of SB900s and one PF600.. (funny chineese portable stroby-thing, that gives 600w of umph).


    MMFC0088www by Sergei Rodionov, on Flickr

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    Re: Fun with MF images

    Wayne:

    I asked since I see bricks on the beach (Lake Erie) quite frequently. Here's an example, although not as appealing as yours.

    Tom


    _IGP6788 by tsjanik47, on Flickr

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    Feeling a bit self-conscious posting these after such gorgeous work above...

    out early this morning, probably should clean up the lake a bit.

    RZ IID, 180/4.5 W, Aptus II 6




    Cheers!
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    Re: Fun with MF images

    I like detailed beach images.

    Here is on I took with the H4D-50 and 120mm HC macro. Not up to Wayne's standard, but I quite liked it when I took it



    So many great shots one posts anything with some trpidation
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    Scaleber force in Yorkshire, H4D-50 and HC50 II

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    playing around on my favorite roof, 7 shot pano merged in PS 5

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    this merge done with autopano giga

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    I like detailed beach images.

    Here is on I took with the H4D-50 and 120mm HC macro. Not up to Wayne's standard, but I quite liked it when I took it



    So many great shots one posts anything with some trpidation
    Love it.

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    another one, four images using cylindrical merge in PS, this view is about 60 degrees ccw , completely different tripod setup. but same smoke stack shows in both

    both panos with IQ 160 and Rodie 70. first set has 15mm up shift, second set has 15mm down shift, all in portrait orientation.

    Last edited by jlm; 28th January 2012 at 15:16.

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    Lovely photos Quentin!

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    Thanks Wayne and Swissblad (a name that perhaps hints at a certain brand?!).

    Its not so much the resolution of MF that differentiates it from 35m, but the tonality.

    Jlm, I like panos, and I love the industrial smoke stack shot with the city in the background. Would be fun to get permission for the factory owner to shoot there. My Scaleber Force shot is actually 3 H4D-50 and HC50mm II shots merged using PT Gui, because a 28 mm lens just did not give me the right perspective balance and coverage.
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    I think I may have posted the next image before, but I have since re-processed it.



    It is a focus-stacked image from Clovelly beach, shot with a H4D-50 and HC50 II lens. I liked the "Z" pattern formed by the rocks and cliff face.
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    RZ IID, Aptus II 6, 110/2.8 and 180/4.5

    New band hall here on campus at LSU.


    some grittier stuff by request from a friend:





    Cheers!
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    Hi Shelby

    Nice mono tones. Like the perpsective in the middle shot.

    Some highly polished old Jag engine action, H4D-50, HC 50II

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    Beautiful Quentin... the photo and the subject!

    One more... struggled with the processing on this one. Still getting a feel for the RZ files on non-portrait subjects.



    Cheers!
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    You all make me want to sell my camera and make me want to try harder at the same time, The B&W's are AWESOME!!!!

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    Ok, Wayne, you got my attention!!!
    Quentin: You too!
    Shelby: Exactly the same.

    It is so touching to see images soooo good that transcend the media!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsjanik View Post
    Really like the stones Wayne. Where were these shots taken? The red stone (upper) appears to be a well-worn brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Fox View Post
    Haven't posted any images for a while. Here's a few from last night.
    Nice set, Wayne

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    Couldn't resist early this morning... camera was still on the tripod from yesterday. My youngest... trying his hardest not to get up for school. Light from a ikea lamp camera right (one of these: http://www.homeaccentstoday.com/arti...NaNaN/Ikea.JPG )

    RZ IID, 110/2.8 wide open, Aptus II 6 ... I think 1 second exposure. Some graininess from LR4 grain tool.

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    Shelby you rock! You must have got the focusing sorted to put that image off!
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    Ben, you are too kind!

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    Lovely images, Shelby - especially the arches and portrait!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Hi Shelby

    Nice mono tones. Like the perpsective in the middle shot.

    Some highly polished old Jag engine action, H4D-50, HC 50II

    Wow, I love this B&W !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Ya did it again Wayne. I like all 3- however I really like this one.

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    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    H1 + 80mm @ 2.8 + Portra 160



    For comparison / reference: Canon 1Ds3 - 85L @ 2.8 + ISO 100

    As an aside, can anyone explain to me why the 80mm focal length of the H1 isn't stretching the face like the 1ds3 does?

    I always thought the longer the lens the more flattering the look was and with an effective 50mm from the H1 I expected a more pleasing result from the 1ds3 (as in shape).

    Or is it just the 1ds3 shot is tighter cropped with less contrast that's deceiving me?

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    perspective produces the effect and it is only a function of camera to subject distance
    Last edited by jlm; 30th January 2012 at 12:26.

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    Thanks Jerome! And Shelby, what a great shot - I don't know how you kept quiet enough for it (I'd bump in to something).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    As an aside, can anyone explain to me why the 80mm focal length of the H1 isn't stretching the face like the 1ds3 does?

    I always thought the longer the lens the more flattering the look was and with an effective 50mm from the H1 I expected a more pleasing result from the 1ds3 (as in shape).

    Or is it just the 1ds3 shot is tighter cropped with less contrast that's deceiving me?
    Very different lighting would be my first guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    As an aside, can anyone explain to me why the 80mm focal length of the H1 isn't stretching the face like the 1ds3 does?

    I always thought the longer the lens the more flattering the look was and with an effective 50mm from the H1 I expected a more pleasing result from the 1ds3 (as in shape).

    Or is it just the 1ds3 shot is tighter cropped with less contrast that's deceiving me?
    The only things that effect perspective are object distance ("true" perspective) and viewing distance (apparent perspective). The formats are different so the photographer is most likely closer with the Blad and because the viewing distance is held constant, you are changing the ratio between the "correct" and actual viewing distance.

    While you might think the focal length determines perspective, it is an indirect effect. What causes or perception in the change of perspective from wide to telephoto is the the viewing distance. If you are at the "correct" viewing distance, a distance relative to the position the image was made which changes with focal length, then perspective will always appear normal regardless of the focal length. If you view an image from the "standard" viewing distance or constant viewing distance (standard viewing distance is equal to the diagonal of the image area), then perspective will appear stronger with images taken with a wide angle lens and weaker when taken with a telephoto. A "normal" lens is so named because the "correct" viewing distance is equal to the "standard" viewing distance.

    There is a lot of confusion among photographers about perspective. This is a good read:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=hcq...graphy&f=false

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    Given the framing Chris's original assumption about the perspective is correct. For a given framing the Hasselblad would have to be significantly closer to the subject than the canon was and that should give more perspective distortion rather than significantly less as is apparently shown in the images. Unless we are given an indication that the Hasselblad is a very significant crop of the original file I can't see that Chris is wrong in his question.
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