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    Re: Fun with MF images

    Quote Originally Posted by tsjanik View Post
    Thanks for the tip, the Tiffen IRND appears to be a good solution for me. Are the variable NDs just crossed polarizers?
    Variable ND filters are two linear polarizers. With low ND, they work fine. When the polarizers hit the extinction position, it results in a black X depending on the focal length/angle of view. This problem seem to plaque these filters universally--I did some research on this as well and could not find a single filter that does not exhibit this problem. Ideally, a variable ND filter should be place inside the lens right about where the aperture is located.

    Graham Welland uses the IRND and I am sure he can give you more feedback.

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    Thanks for the info Shashin, do you know anything about the Schneider Vari-ND filter (here) ?

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    Peter, I do not know about the Schneider. When I was looking to solve my IR contamination problem I looked at all possibilities and did research on the variable type. I kept running into examples of the black X problem at maximum density with a number of popular brands--the wider the lens, the more pronounced. I would definitely would try to find out if the Schneider does exhibit the black X--it is not something you can compensate in post.
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    Landscape my way..

    One from today before we march headlong into autumn up here...



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    Notes on ND filters: (mods - you might want to move the ND discussion here to it's own thread?)

    I've used the B+W, Tiffen IRND and LEE system Big Stopper / NDs for long exposure work.

    The B+W filters used alone for extended shots tend to allow for increasingly prominent IR contamination resulting in a strong pink/magenta colour cast. For shorter exposures there's no issue. You can fix this with the addition either of a UV/IR cut filter (something like a 486 hot mirror filter) or stacking with a IRND filter. Alternatively what most people tend to do is just convert to B&W as it is perfectly fine as-is if that's your intended output.

    The LEE Big Stopper (my one at least) doesnt' have the magenta IR contamination at anything like the level of the B+W and I assume other non-IR cut ND filters. It does still introduce some colour cast but that can be neutralized with a grey card or careful grey point selection. With auto or daylight white balance I find it tends to produce a shift to blue. For daytime shooting I will stack a big stopper and .9 ND pair and wrap the outside with tape to stop light ingress between the filters. This is the combination I shoot when I use my Alpa technical camera.

    For my DF/Nikon/Fuji I typically use Tiffen IRND filters. I have a couple of 1.8 & 2.1 pairs in 77mm and 82mm that I will combine to get me to 13 stops. I will typically stack a 77mm and 82mm with a step up filter as this'll work without vignetting with wides such as a 35mm. I've even stacked with a polarizer too successfully for certain situations. The Tiffen is by far the most neutral solution and you can set white balance from a grey card or item in the scene. It isn't 100% neutral and I really don't know if any really are but it's pretty darned close. If you already have a different make of ND filter you can stack just a single IRND with it and you'll effectively kill off the IR contamination that the other filter would otherwise allow. I'm lazy and find it hard enough to remember to put the filter on the lens between shots so I stick with all IRND's and the price is pretty reasonable for standard sized filters. (They get much more expensive as you size up).

    You can get your Tiffen IRNDs here (Tiffen 77mm IR ND, IRND 4x4 Camera Filters and Tiffen IRND Indie Kits) or B&H etc.

    Vari-ND filters work great when you're only adding a few stops for use with things like waterfalls or cut light for shooting wide open for DoF etc. When you start trying for max ND settings the cross polarization will kill you with the X bands across the image as stated here earlier. For true daylight long exposure you need to stick to high cut regular NDs.

    I'm going to be trying the Tiffen HMIRND (hot mirror IRND) filters soon for use with my full spectrum D800 and also to see if it adds even more neutrality than the regular IRND filters. I still find some level of contamination even with the IRND filters when you go beyond a couple of minutes, although as you've seen with the couple of examples I posted here the look isn't all bad.

    Hope that helps.
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    Re: Fun with MF images

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan W. Lediard View Post
    Landscape my way..

    One from today before we march headlong into autumn up here...



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    Excellent image!

    Is that one of the "sirens" resting after her dance at the falls? (Sans her red robe of course!)
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    Excellent image!

    Is that one of the "sirens" resting after her dance at the falls? (Sans her red robe of course!)
    Thanks... I like the interpretation!

    In this shot I like to think she is being born from the stone... climbing out to meet her first dawn...

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    Thanks Graham. And I thought the Lee filters were expensive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsjanik View Post
    Has anyone tried the less expensive and available Formatt Hitech 10 stop filter ?

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    Tom.. I have 7-stop Hitech and Lee big stopper and both of them are fine with mild color shift you can correct in PS or Capture One.
    Graham & Shashin.. Thanks very much for sharing this useful information.

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    Re: Fun with MF images

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan W. Lediard View Post
    Thanks... I like the interpretation!

    In this shot I like to think she is being born from the stone... climbing out to meet her first dawn...
    Note to self - I need to follow Nathan into the landscape because I've spent hundreds of days in the field and seen many 'interesting' scenes but I never seem to be there when the nudes appear in the rocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Note to self - I need to follow Nathan into the landscape because I've spent hundreds of days in the field and seen many 'interesting' scenes but I never seem to be there when the nudes appear in the rocks.
    You have obviously been visiting the wrong places!

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    (Sans her red robe of course!)
    But not nail polish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    ...(mods - you might want to move the ND discussion here to it's own thread?)...
    Perhaps the mods can change my Tiffen T1 filter thread with a broader title like "ND filter information" or "Fun with ND." I certainly don't mind.

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    One more from my Quebec trip (if for no other reason than to remove the D800 threads from the head of the list ). This is the St. Lawrence river at a point when it is really the Atlantic.

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    Here is one of an orchid that is growing in my yard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pesto View Post
    Here is one of an orchid that is growing in my yard.
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    You must have quite the backyard

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    Xiapu, Fujian Province, South China. Shot with Phase One P65+ on Hasselblad H2, HC 50-110.

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    Visited and have seen outstanding work lately however I haven't shared anything lately. This was taken at the Desert Museum a little while ago. DF, IQ160 and Mamiya 120 (f/8, 1/90 ISO50). I got the 120 earlier this year to do macro work but I'm finding other uses as well.



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    Don, that looks really sharp...
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    Don, that looks really sharp...
    Too sharp? I was standing very close leaning into it and focused only on the front.

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    My oldest boy (6) tried MX for the first time today... I came straight from a shoot and had the hassy with me... so why not?
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    Jobs like this one fade the line between work and fun...

    H4D-40 + HCD28 + profoto beauty dish

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsjanik View Post
    You must have quite the backyard
    It's a jungle for certain and now, with all of our recent rain, it has developed a moat as well. We do have a large and expanding collection of tropical fruit trees , orchids, and other tropical vegetation...lots of fun but lots of work as well.

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    Scouting the Angel Oak tree today.



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    Buckingham Fountain in Chicago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan W. Lediard View Post
    Jobs like this one fade the line between work and fun...

    H4D-40 + HCD28 + profoto beauty dish

    The two-legged and four-legged blondes are nice, and the landscape is nice, and the perspective of the landscape leads the eye to the main subjects...

    ...but, the way I see it, I want my eye to be led to the distant vanishing point in the lake... it would then have been landscape + biped + quadruped... but it might have been a version worth trying while you were there?

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    Ed,

    Beautiful! Is the fountain a stitch or a crop? And getting sunlight filtered through a tree to look anything like what we see is something I struggle with constantly. (Oh dear, that sentence came out as bad poetry.)

    And I thought everyone was over in the D800E Spells the End of the World thread. Nice to see some pictures posted!

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    Ed,

    Beautiful! Is the fountain a stitch or a crop? And getting sunlight filtered through a tree to look anything like what we see is something I struggle with constantly. (Oh dear, that sentence came out as bad poetry.)

    And I thought everyone was over in the D800E Spells the End of the World thread. Nice to see some pictures posted!

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    Thank you Mark. The fountain is a crop from the iq180. The fountain changes constantly so a stitch with long exposures was a problem.

    I am here in Charleston for a week so hopefully I'll get some better light while I am here. The image posted is a single exposure with major editing, not my style but I do have the exposures to blend if I could bear the week long edit to do it justice.

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    Folly Beach fishing pier.

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    Something different from the same morning:

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    ed:
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    good application for swing...did'ja?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
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    good application for swing...did'ja?
    Swing what?

    Just kidding, no I did not use swing. Didn't even think of it at the time,

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    Flying high!

    H4D-40 HC50-110 profoto magnum reflector....

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    Hehe. Nice work. Some more fun here:

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    Hi !

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    Folly Beach fishing pier.

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    Something different from the same morning:


    Wish I had known you were here in Charleston

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    Hi, same place ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzyg44 View Post
    Wish I had known you were here in Charleston
    Still am for a few days

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    One more from the Gaspe. Six exposure stitch of Cap Bon Ami and crop detail of the cliffs.



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    Montagne Sainte Victoire, France
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    Ed,

    This is a stunning version of what can be a cliche'd pier shot. Very very nice.

    Was this a stitch or a crop. It certainly looks like you rolled the super wide glass out for a fabulous image. I assume that this is one of your portfolio grade images now? (Btw, you may want to crop or fill that right top edge (you probably didn't see it if editing on the road).
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    Ed,

    This is a stunning version of what can be a cliche'd pier shot. Very very nice.

    Was this a stitch or a crop. It certainly looks like you rolled the super wide glass out for a fabulous image. I assume that this is one of your portfolio grade images now? (Btw, you may want to crop or fill that right top edge (you probably didn't see it if editing on the road).
    It's a shifted stitch Graham and thanks for the heads up on the ur, I totally missed that.

    I process on the road quickly while the experience is fresh on my mind then rework it on a calibrated system/workroom. This one will probably make the cut for this years portfolio update. I try to keep the edit down to 2 dozen images.

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    Here's the other side of the pier for ya Ed

    taken today with DM22, 150mm


    and under:


    Abandoned 1 tiny church:


    some others from today
    Augsut 18 - a set on Flickr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan W. Lediard View Post
    Flying high!

    H4D-40 HC50-110 profoto magnum reflector....

    Beautiful, like in the old times, instead in motor-shutting like crazy, anticipation, good eye and brain.

    Good capture,

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    Here's the other side of the pier for ya Ed

    taken today with DM22, 150mm


    and under:


    Abandoned 1 tiny church:


    some others from today
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    The second one is my favorite of the trio.

    Thanks for charing,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    The second one is my favorite of the trio.

    Thanks for charing,

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    I like the second one too.
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