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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    "Moonrise" is also one of my favorite Ansel Adams shots, and apparently his own favorite, and I also recognized the reference immediately. Really nice shot.

    Here is the story of Ansel Adams' version:

    http://www.anseladams.com/content/an...ancedotes.html

    He just had time for one negative, and couldn't find his light meter!

    I can heartily recommend "Examples: The Making of 40 Photographs", Ansel Adams, which has the story of this shot (as above) and 39 others, in some details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Not to bad really, just like the simulator.
    Some others on the plane really raised a ruckus, but a one engine go-around in a 757 is not all that hard. One woman refused to board the replacement plane.
    The worst part for me, which is not part of the simulations, is the smell of burning bird in the cabin (yuck). I recommend plucking them before burning them. I will have to have a word with GE about that.
    I scream more when the dow falls 800 in a couple of hours
    At least the three bottles of Papillon I had in my suitcase made it through unharmed.

    I have a list of several passengers' emails who want copies of the shot.
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    Okay my sick story I worked for Honeywell for 16 years and they build aircraft engines among other things ala Allied Signal was the name before they merged with Honeywell . Anyway I kid you not they had to do bird tests . Now here was the trick they had frozen chickens and a engine on a test bed and they shoot the birds right on in to see what damage they would create. Now folks it sounds sick but these test are mandated by the FAA. I been in many experimental corporate jets and we shut down one engine all the time for testing and yours truly used to shoot the instrumentation to document what the controls are doing. I do have a few war stories on flying, how about weather radar. Normally you go around storms in aircraft, not us we went right through them for testing the weather radar. Now obviously a different story when you are not expecting a engine to go down and well over a 100 passengers would create a little emotion for sure
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

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    Okay my sick story I worked for Honeywell for 16 years and they build aircraft engines among other things ala Allied Signal was the name before they merged with Honeywell . Anyway I kid you not they had to do bird tests . Now here was the trick they had frozen chickens and a engine on a test bed and they shoot the birds right on in to see what damage they would create. Now folks it sounds sick but these test are mandated by the FAA. I been in many experimental corporate jets and we shut down one engine all the time for testing and yours truly used to shoot the instrumentation to document what the controls are doing. I do have a few war stories on flying, how about weather radar. Normally you go around storms in aircraft, not us we went right through them for testing the weather radar. Now obviously a different story when you are not expecting a engine to go down and well over a 100 passengers would create a little emotion for sure
    I have never run into a frozen chicken,
    They are usually pretty well thawed by the time they gain that much altitude
    The chicken canon is indeed a well known test, but the specs call for a thawed chicken. It was I think a british rail test of their windshield (maybe urban legend) that pioneered the use of a frozen chicken. As you can imagine, the chicken went right through.

    My favorite aviation midair strike story is when an Alaska Airways flight had a mid-air strike with a salmon that had been dropped by a passing eagle.
    The worst part of that story was the paperwork, not to mention the ribbing the pilot probably received.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    The files from my Betterlight Super 6K were equal to the best drum-scanned 8x10 I ever shot -- essentially the best image file I have seen.
    Not bad, then.

    Quote Originally Posted by routlaw
    I have been given a number of high res files form the Hasselblad H3D II 39 MS camera
    I have to admit, I'd forgotten about MS MFDBs being an option. I presume taking four MS shots is quicker than one 1-minute scan shot?


    I also notice that Betterlight prices don't seem to have changed over the last few years? I still think they're good value IQ/$, but if they have to stay at this price point to maintain a profit, MS MFDBs will sooner or later catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeshuck View Post

    I have to admit, I'd forgotten about MS MFDBs being an option. I presume taking four MS shots is quicker than one 1-minute scan shot?

    I also notice that Betterlight prices don't seem to have changed over the last few years? I still think they're good value IQ/$, but if they have to stay at this price point to maintain a profit, MS MFDBs will sooner or later catch up.
    Not having actually demoed one of them yet (its coming up though) I don't know for sure how long it takes but would suspect some half minute give or take a few seconds.

    Yeah other than changing to USB from SCSI the scan backs have not really changed that much over the years. I once heard somewhere that it cost Betterlight as much money to make one of these things as it does the MFDB's companies to make their backs. At new list prices the Super 6K-HS is slightly less than half of the H3DII-39MS. But if you need instant capture with great image quality thats the price of admission for now.

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    how does multishot work?

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I still own a Jenoptic Eyelike M11 multi-shot back. It is a Phillips 35mm size sensor, built before Phillips sold the whole unit to Dalsa. It is "only" 11 MP. But it does 1, 4, and 16 shot captures. Using 16 shot captures, I would have to say that it rivals or exceeds the scanning backs, and is way far ahead of any of the single shot MF capture devices. My Aptus 75S is not even close. I use Digitar lenses with it, and obviously digital shutters for control when doing 16 exposures to form one image. The color fidelity, resolution, and tonal range are truly something to behold. I've never seen anything else come even close in ultimate IQ, including scanned 8x10 film. Move up to the 22 MP version of this same back, and in my opinion, it far exceeds anything else ever made. I haven't used the Hasselblad version, but I can imagine it would also be simply stunning.

    The downside though is my back is only ISO 32, and this can not be changed. Due to the nature of shooting 16 captures to form one image, it must also be shot tethered to a computer, and does require a very substantial tripod or shooting stand like I use in the studio. At the current price of these MS backs used, they are a real steal if you are looking for the ultimate IQ for tabletop or stationary work.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Mamiya AFDIII /28 mm. (Love that lens!) The island is in Georgian Bay, Ontario.
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    Last edited by Bill Caulfeild-Browne; 12th July 2009 at 17:22.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Bill, that is a stunning image --- I'd work it for a bit more dramatic sky and print it!
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    I agree, Bill, beautiful image.

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    Nice shot , lovely lens.
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Thank you, gentlemen. I agree about the sky, though it appears in the pic as I saw it. I'm always a tad reluctant to "overdo" mother nature!. Interestingly, in a print the sky is naturally a bit darker and thus more dramatic.
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    we have the first snow in detroit! it was worth commemorating
    C645/P25, Visatec Litepac, a bunch of idiots.
    the helicopter is real, i swear!

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    Bill - Stunning image! Wow what a shot please keep sharing.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    nice work Irakly

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    the helicopter is real, i swear!
    Creative capture Irakly! By being real, what do you mean? IOW was it a real helicopter from another shot pasted in, or were both the main subject and it part of the same single frame of capture? I ask because the guy in the tux pointing a weapon is significantly less focused than both the helicopter and the main subject, yet is between them --- so assume he or the copter or both had to be composited in...
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    checked out the 45mm on the zd today:

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Creative capture Irakly! By being real, what do you mean? IOW was it a real helicopter from another shot pasted in, or were both the main subject and it part of the same single frame of capture? I ask because the guy in the tux pointing a weapon is significantly less focused than both the helicopter and the main subject, yet is between them --- so assume he or the copter or both had to be composited in...
    good eye jack! it's a long exposure with refocusing and multiple pops. i missed focus on the james bond guy. makes me want to reshoot him separately and OMG I AM NOT SAYING THIS!!!! add him in photoshop

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    how does multishot work?
    In 4-shot mode the back captures an image four times, moving the sensor by one pixel between each capture. This way, the bayer filter pattern is ignored, and a value is metered for each primary colour in turn, giving a true colour reading for each pixel, not an interpolated one.

    I hope that's not too concise...!

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    A friend and I took a trip up to Valencia to chase the fires on Saturday night, I can't believe how large they were. I wanted to get onto the blocked off highway, but none of the Sheriffs would let me get even remotely close to the fire to get a better vantage point. It would probably best if I stayed back, I got burning embers in my hair from a previous one.


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    Andrew, wow! Fantatistic shot! Love the colors and the blur. Very unfortunate for those folks.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Don,
    Thank you for this answer. Great images!
    Now do you feel that the P30+ gives you hust this one stop more ISO which you often need? I have no feeling yet for the ISO I would need because MF-DOF, mirror slap etc. are different compared to my other gear (M8 and D3).
    All I know that the few times I have used the ZD I felt that 125 ISO (which is the highest I would want to use on this camera) is quit limiting for my way of photography.
    Do you mostly use a tripod when you shoot landscapes.
    Thanks again, Tom

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Creek View Post
    I had seen Tom's post (#741) the day he posed his questions however work has interfered with posting my reply - sorry.

    The main camera I use is medium format. Sandy and I went to Alaska earlier this year and took the MFDB, 2 35mm Canons as well as a P&S. The only time I picked up the 35mm (1Ds II) was when I wanted to shoot wildlife - bears and moose. I did do an experiment using the medium format and shot a couple of wildlife at the National Bison Refuge in MT with mixed results. My main camera I had with me was my Mamiya AFD II and P30+; I used that to shoot all my landscape, took it with me on an aerial of Denali as well as picking up "local color" of Homer AK.

    I think I read and agree with the notion that I have enough "snapshots" and am concentrating on the really good images.

    I've come to understand and that why I simply love the image quality that I can get from medium format it isn't suited for all images. I attempted to capture images of eagles at Anchor Point with disastrous results making be rely on the faster focusing and longer lens of the 1DsII.

    2 Sisters Bakery: Took this for a good friend - 28mm hand held using available light.



    My attempt at medium format wildlife - 300mm lens



    Walking around right at sunset in a very small campground somewhere in ID - handheld 28mm.



    Anchor Point eagle 1Ds III with a 300mm lens doubled - simply no way that medium format can compete with this.



    So I guess my "go to" camera is medium format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Thanks Tom! I am glad you like it. I spent a long time on it (lots of masking work)...I don't know why...it was a really beautiful scene in real life.

    Actually, I think I posted it a few weeks ago (I was lazy about developing the film), but I also shot it on MF digital. I had forgotten, so sorry for the double post. The MF digital version looked like this:
    The film version looks quit different (I like it better), less DOF. Did you shoot at same f-stop?

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    No, I did not. I did not really make an effort to. They were different cameras. The film one was the 203FE and 110/2, and the digital was the Hy6 with I believe the 80mm f/2.8. I would have to go and check the exif to be sure. But it was shot at a much smaller f stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    Don,
    Thank you for this answer. Great images!
    Now do you feel that the P30+ gives you hust this one stop more ISO which you often need? I have no feeling yet for the ISO I would need because MF-DOF, mirror slap etc. are different compared to my other gear (M8 and D3).
    All I know that the few times I have used the ZD I felt that 125 ISO (which is the highest I would want to use on this camera) is quit limiting for my way of photography.
    Do you mostly use a tripod when you shoot landscapes.
    Thanks again, Tom
    Tom

    This response will more of a random or shotgun approach so bear with me.

    I would have to say that I use my tripod just about 100% of the time when shooting landscape for several reasons primarily it makes me slow down and visualize the image I want. (Here is where it gets a little crazy – I just made the switch to a TC and would say that my tripod usage will be 100% of the time and less whenever I find myself shooting with my older(?) Phase 645)

    Regarding the P30+… I no longer have it. I loved the P30 for what I used to do and still believe that it is a great back for landscape photography and ranks right up there as “more bank for the buck”. The only issue I had with the back and I knew it going in was the ISO; I like to shoot as low as possible and it only allowed me to shoot at 100. I’d have to say that the majority of the time (99.99%) was spent at 100 and the rest no higher than 200 although I think I did no a “just for the hell of it” test at 800. I just don’t shoot at higher ISO’s. The entire reason I no longer have the P30+ is that I needed the P45+ in order to shoot with a TC which will now become my main landscape kit.

    I hope I’ve answered some of your questions.

    Bottom line is that depending on your type of photography the P30 or P30+ is an excellent digital back, one which you should seriously consider.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    shakeshuck: thanks for the info. i assume there are only a few dedicated backs that do this? sinar 54H comes to mind. any links for further reading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    shakeshuck: thanks for the info. i assume there are only a few dedicated backs that do this? sinar 54H comes to mind. any links for further reading?
    The 54H has been discontinued and the 75H replacing it, so if you look at the Sinar website you can at least obtain a modicum of info. Also Hasselblad has the 39 MS with info on their website. Some of their older models also did multi shot setups such as the V96 and 528c I believe.

    Hope this helps.

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    Thanks Justin, those fires were really intense even across the highway where we were allowed. I wished I could have gotten closer, a Sheriff caught me trying to walk around the security line and had all of their eyes on me after that point. Oh well, I'll rent a helicopter and a gyro the next time a fire comes up

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    yesterday i shot a small tribute to mr. warhol
    c645/p25, 2.8/45
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    Irakly, that's great! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! Love the model too. (However I fear our younger readers will miss the subtlety of the Warhol reference )
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    I'm pretty sure Warhol didn't eat from the "pop-top" cans of Campbell's.

    Fun idea.

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    Nice work Irakly, I love the soup cans in the purse...

    I did a photoshoot today out in the lava near town. I went with Halla, who is a biology student and amateur model whom I met through another photographer. Basically, I think she just likes dressing up in funny outfits. Anyway, she is very nice. She wanted to do a "sexy lab coat" shoot, so I suggested we try soil samples or something of the like. The light was not great today (well...it won't be until March, so make due with what you get)...just pure overcast. It was not very cold though, and there was no wind. Anyway, the photos are silly, but it was a lot of fun.
    They are all taken with the Hy6 and 54LV. Just natural light...what little there was of it. Lenses were 40mm for the wide, 80mm 2.8 Xenotar for the mid, 110/2 for the full-body, and the 180/2.8 and 1.4x for the closeup. Heh, it was hard to walk around on the lava...I just changed lenses...
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    Actually great light for this type of shooting and some nice images.
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Lovely, Stuart ... especially the last shot.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Here's one from a holiday parade yesterday ...

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    One more ...

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Stuart:

    I think the light is fantastic for that type shooting, and really like the last two images in the series!

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Thanks guys -- the light was nice in that it is like a huge softbox, but not as nice in that there is very little of it (most of the shoot was shot at ISO 25 (the 54LV I have says it's ISO50, but it is actually 25), and shot around f/2.8 to f/4 and 1/30th-1/60th...it is dimmer than it looks). I prefer a bit more directional light in general, but it is a quite flattering light.

    Kurt -- I love that first one. What the heck is Ronald McDonald doing with those little girls?
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    My first posting of images here. From yesterday with my new Hy6. Great Camera!

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Another:

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    Mitchel- may I ask which back and which lens?

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    Congrats on the new outfit Mitchell!
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    One from today

    Nice dramatic weather and light... St Ives, Cornwall.

    Phamiya 645 with P45+ back and Mamiya 80mm F2.8 lens.

    Tripod, cable release, MUP, 125/th second at f7.1 ISO 50.

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    Nice Tim! All you need is a palace at the tip of the rainbow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Nice Tim! All you need is a palace at the tip of the rainbow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Nice dramatic weather and light... St Ives, Cornwall.

    Phamiya 645 with P45+ back and Mamiya 80mm F2.8 lens.

    Tripod, cable release, MUP, 125/th second at f7.1 ISO 50.

    Initial RAW conversion in C1 then PP in LR.

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    tim, you bought phamiya??? ewww! at least redeem yourself by getting a mamiya-hasselblad, or mamiya-c645 adaptor
    nice shot, btw. did you photoshop the little green lop-eared man with a bucket out?

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    Tim-

    Unless I missed it in the C1 vs. LR thread, I'm curious why you converted in C1 and then did pp in LR. I'm assuming you worked on a regularly processed TIF in LR (not the raw), but why? C1 will do 99% of what LR can do first, and then bring it into Photoshop to really finish it off. I wouldn't consider LR to be the ideal finishing PP workflow; it's a primary batch processor, just like C1. I would think that even after doing more tweaks in the C1>LR, that you'd need to pull it into PS to fine tune noise reduction, sharpening, and specialized local color adjustments.

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    Colorado foothills at its finest. Shot with P30+ with Mamiya 80mm D.

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    Nice Justin, I think that P30 is agreeing with you
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