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Fun with MF images - ARCHIVED - FOR VIEWING ONLY

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JimCollum

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I think there are two ideas that the images in this thread try to convey.. a quality image (good light, composition, something that wouldn't have been a waste of film)... as well as the quality of the MF digital capture. The larger images tend to demonstrate the second quality better. with the smaller ones (no Victor, that's not big enough to show the 2nd quality), the image could just as well have been taken with an inexpensive P&S.
 

thomas

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I think there are two ideas that the images in this thread try to convey.. a quality image (good light, composition, something that wouldn't have been a waste of film)... as well as the quality of the MF digital capture. The larger images tend to demonstrate the second quality better. with the smaller ones (no Victor, that's not big enough to show the 2nd quality), the image could just as well have been taken with an inexpensive P&S.
very well put, Jim!
apologize for my little "tantrum" (do you say so?) :)
 

gogopix

Subscriber
Well, if a P65+ Apla SK 35mm shot resized at 2000 can be replicated by a P&S then we are wasting our money! :)
but you are right. I print min 24"x36" and I doube the P&S would hold up
That said, maybe there is a message in xpixels shot; it IS impressive and is NOT full size (is it? looks like 2500xxxx)

anyway a P&S is not going to have a 100% crop like this (at least I hpe not:D

BTW it DOES take 4 clicks to get full size. How does xpixel post his biggies???

Victor
 

JimCollum

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In most cases (well 99%) where you can see a MF outfit doing better than a DSLR or P&S is it's ability to capture a quality of light... this, more than the 100% pixels are what makes xpixel's images stand out as MF. What separates the top MF shooters is the ability to capture and display this quality.

Victor, you've been with the forum pretty much from the start, and you have some of the top gear out there, and there's no doubting that you can use and process those pixels. What you haven't figured out yet, is light.. and how to capture that quality that really shows what the gear can do (# of pixels really isn't the biggest differentiating factor between MF, DSLR and P&S.). This is meant as constructive, since you have so much invested in both gear and time with your setup, and what appears to be your passion. If you're happy with where your images are, then please, ignore this.. but if you want to evolve further in the craft/art.. then start looking at your light, and not the lenses/sensors/or 100% crops. So, other than the number of pixels, there really isn't anything in that P65+ shot that can't be replicated with a very inexpensive P&S

Well, if a P65+ Apla SK 35mm shot resized at 2000 can be replicated by a P&S then we are wasting our money! :)
but you are right. I print min 24"x36" and I doube the P&S would hold up
That said, maybe there is a message in xpixels shot; it IS impressive and is NOT full size (is it? looks like 2500xxxx)

anyway a P&S is not going to have a 100% crop like this (at least I hpe not:D

BTW it DOES take 4 clicks to get full size. How does xpixel post his biggies???

Victor
 

Bill Caulfeild-Browne

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120 mm D at 1:1 ratio. The spider is about 2 cms (less than an inch) across "leg to leg". Very little dof, but he wouldn't stay still for enough exposures to use Helicon!

 

jlm

Workshop Member
i must say, the type of comment by Jim is most welcome to me. I get so tired of the "great shot" stuff.

constructive criticism at it's best. thanks Jim Collum
 

Jack

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That said, xpixel posts the images so huge that I have to scroll all around to see them (on a 15" macbook pro)
Have to agree with this folks. It's MUCH friendlier to view say 900 pixel images in the thread with links to your larger versions. This is especially true for those with limited bandwidth or travelling as I am right now. On a laptop, I don't even bother scrolling across the huge images, so I never view those for example unless I'm sitting at my 30"... We will click though *IF* we want to see more detail ;)

As Jim mentioned, it's the quality of light that will draw us to do that, rather than the contrast between pixels. So PLEASE --- going forward let's keep the images to 1200 pixels maximum if you embed in the thread from your own server, and then provide the link to your huge version for us to look at. Note that our GetDPI server creates a 1200 pixel jpeg for you if you upload a larger one to an album here, then clicking on that will take you to the larger one.
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
One issue going really big is theft. Anyone can steal those big images make prints and call there own. This happens daily on the Internet so I would put some thought into that.
 

gogopix

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In most cases (well 99%) where you can see a MF outfit doing better than a DSLR or P&S is it's ability to capture a quality of light... this, more than the 100% pixels are what makes xpixel's images stand out as MF. What separates the top MF shooters is the ability to capture and display this quality.

Victor, you've been with the forum pretty much from the start, and you have some of the top gear out there, and there's no doubting that you can use and process those pixels. What you haven't figured out yet, is light.. and how to capture that quality that really shows what the gear can do (# of pixels really isn't the biggest differentiating factor between MF, DSLR and P&S.). This is meant as constructive, since you have so much invested in both gear and time with your setup, and what appears to be your passion. If you're happy with where your images are, then please, ignore this.. but if you want to evolve further in the craft/art.. then start looking at your light, and not the lenses/sensors/or 100% crops. So, other than the number of pixels, there really isn't anything in that P65+ shot that can't be replicated with a very inexpensive P&S
Dear Jim

You are right, light is key. I know on a photo excursion much time is spend on timing for light (though local contract enhancement and some vibrancy can help. in post)
Unfortunately, photography is secondary; we trek and travel. I take what I can and make the best of it. I may miss a great sunrise contrast and depth, but I have images of Mt Blanc that will rarely be photgraphed, simply diue to perspective and weather and thew fact that I climbed 3,000 feet to get it! (and I actually have people badgering me for prints (at $200-400, certainly not FREE!); again, not being a professional, that slips below my running of my small company,and my enjoyment of the outdoors. I'm not trying to be professional, just trying to get what pleases me)

I can appreciate what you say, but most images are rushed as I have no setup time and rarely can even use a monopod. It is why the S2 intrgues me; for travel, PJ and trekking it has some clear advantages over an Alpa S-K Phase combo, even, dare I say it my be-liked Contax (I try to keep from romancing photo gear! :ROTFL: )

I would like to have gotten the Geneva shot at 8am instead of 4pm. Not in the cards. I suppose I could add some punch, but this is actually just a test shot for a panorama of the whole bay and town.

Then again there are style preferences; I am not into the misty, or the high shadow landscape stuff (that can border on resort art) nor can I STAND the long exposure water shots (looks like cotton candy to me)....chaq'une a son gout.

but what do I know, I just follow my taste and enjoy what I have.

regards
Victor
 
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dfarkas

Workshop Member
The larger images are easily viewed by right-clicking on the image and selecting View Image or View Image in New Tab (Firefox/Chrome... not sure about Safari). The browser will automatically scale the image to fit and bring up a magnifying glass so you can zoom to 1:1 and back to fit very easily.

My iPad chokes a bit on the jumbo-sized images, though I can't ever really judge quality off of it due to the fact there is no easy way to get to pixel-for-pixel sizing like you get by default on a desktop browser.

Either way, the 35mm Summarit-S shots that xpixel has posted are stunning :thumbs: and I appreciate having larger files to look at. The smallest display I use is on my laptop at 1920x1200 (aside from the iPad) so I much prefer higher res shots to ones that appear way too small on my screen.

David
 

thomas

New member
Check out my blog for M9 hands-on review | S2 review now online
wow, the shots of the 35mm on your blog look really impressive, too! the lens seems to be extremely well balanced (literally no distortion, literally no light fall off... not that it would be obvious at least. Unless you did some post work on the files...).
Much more impressive than the 70mm to me (the 70mm seems to be great wide open at near and medium distances but not really great stopped down at infinity/wider distances... IMHO).
 

gogopix

Subscriber
Phase One 645DF, P65+, 300mm, Sensor+, ISO 400



Thanks to Chip Phillips for showing us his special overlook.
Yes, beauty, and ecellent use of light and shade. Good eye!

BTW, I see you used sensor+ was the light that low? or did you just want to get the speed (for the 300mm lens) and stop down for DOF? why not just 400 ISO? would it have been too noisy?

In any case, good skill in capturing the character of the scene.

regards
Victor
 

JimCollum

Member
ok.. I fully understand that there are a plethora of reasons for shooting, documenting travel and love of gear are time old traditions in photography. i just thought i'd send out a query to see if you had a desire to add to those. You do have excellent gear, as well as access to some pretty spectacular places. Having taught quite a bit, it appeared that your work was consistent over the years, and didn't know if there was anything else you desired from it.

I am curious though.. what business are you in? You seem successful enough in it to allow you some pretty exotic opportunities!

jealous in California...

jim

Dear Jim

You are right, light is key. I know on a photo excursion much time is spend on timing for light (though local contract enhancement and some vibrancy can help. in post)
Unfortunately, photography is secondary; we trek and travel. I take what I can and make the best of it. I may miss a great sunrise contrast and depth, but I have images of Mt Blanc that will rarely be photgraphed, simply diue to perspective and weather and thew fact that I climbed 3,000 feet to get it! (and I actually have people badgering me for prints (at $200-400, certainly not FREE!); again, not being a professional, that slips below my running of my small company,and my enjoyment of the outdoors. I'm not trying to be professional, just trying to get what pleases me)

I can appreciate what you say, but most images are rushed as I have no setup time and rarely can even use a monopod. It is why the S2 intrgues me; for travel, PJ and trekking it has some clear advantages over an Alpa S-K Phase combo, even, dare I say it my be-liked Contax (I try to keep from romancing photo gear! :ROTFL: )

I would like to have gotten the Geneva shot at 8am instead of 4pm. Not in the cards. I suppose I could add some punch, but this is actually just a test shot for a panorama of the whole bay and town.

Then again there are style preferences; I am not into the misty, or the high shadow landscape stuff (that can border on resort art) nor can I STAND the long exposure water shots (looks like cotton candy to me)....chaq'une a son gout.

but what do I know, I just follow my taste and enjoy what I have.

regards
Victor
 
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