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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Monument Valley. 150mm lens.
    Well, I just got back from a week off-line (shooting!) to see this image, Guy, and it's so inspiring I'm going right back out to shoot again tomorrow!
    As perfect as an image gets, congratulations.
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Georg Baumann View Post
    I feel for you, knowing these vampires very well.

    X4! What I like so much about your work is the "authenticity", in lack of a less slick word.... Hold on, truthfulness I like more as a description.

    These days, many people I know would have cloned out the ripples and the other stone to the left to clean the water. I much prefer it this way.
    Georg, you are most generous! Thank you, and thank you to all who commented.
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Here's a couple more islands from my Lake Superior trip. 75-150, P45+
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    I guess I have a thing for islands, but I wish I could figure how to post so the images don't look over-sharpened on the site!Attachment 18381
    Last edited by Bill Caulfeild-Browne; 15th October 2009 at 18:23.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Don and Jack, you aren't the first to comment about those images being B&W. I'm having trouble with my own psychology about where I want to work in color or in B&W, and if both, how and where to draw the line so that my overall portfolio doesn't start to become a mishmash of styles. Thoughts?

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    PS: Great images Bill!

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by jmvdigital View Post
    Don and Jack, you aren't the first to comment about those images being B&W. I'm having trouble with my own psychology about where I want to work in color or in B&W, and if both, how and where to draw the line so that my overall portfolio doesn't start to become a mishmash of styles. Thoughts?


    Justin

    Very hard for me to say when to use B&W. I don't normally go out with the intent to shoot B&W however there are times when I know I want to capture in (near) IR and will use the appropriate filter.

    I generally let the image tell me what direction it wants to go; some prefer to remain in color while others just cry out for B&W while a very few look equally good either way.

    I have both color and b&w on display in the gallery as well as stretched canvas (and one currently framed) and matte and framed paper.

    Speaking strictly from a landscape artist point of view - there's no harm in showing your work in either color or b&w (I don't recommend showing the same image). I don't think it's a mishmash of styles regarding the color (or lack of). It's more a mishmash showing landscape with otherworldly goth type images...

    Remember you asked for my thoughts - welcome to the inside of my head - scary very scary place to me in.

    Getting back to the point. The series as is looks great however don't be afraid to listen to your image and experiment taking it to b&w.

    It'll be interesting to hear Jack's side of this.


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    One final thought about B&W. I use a process where I use what I think is the best of IR and B&W and combine the two for a better look. Here's a good example
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by jmvdigital View Post
    Don and Jack, you aren't the first to comment about those images being B&W. I'm having trouble with my own psychology about where I want to work in color or in B&W, and if both, how and where to draw the line so that my overall portfolio doesn't start to become a mishmash of styles. Thoughts?
    Simple, for showing don't mix styles in the same portfolio, and it's okay to have multiple portfolios that fit a theme.

    As for how I choose, I agree with Don --- I let the image drive the decision. So I tend to look at images different ways: if the image is all about color, say a bouquet of freshly-cut flowers or a dramatic sunset for example, then for sure it goes to color. However, if the image is a statement of shape and form, like a bouquet of dead roses or an ominous stormy sky, then I would process it out in monochrome. Clearly a huge advantage to digital is we have both versions at our fingertips.
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

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    New series I'm working on. Feedback?
    I really like those...beautiful skies and the color treatment makes me think of this movie INTO THE WILD (Sean Penn I think), especially the caravan.

    Great job .
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Bill I had the same problem with my uploads...don't know why, but they looked oversharpened too. Eleanor

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    Here's a couple more islands from my Lake Superior trip. 75-150, P45+
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    I guess I have a thing for islands, but I wish I could figure how to post so the images don't look over-sharpened on the site!Attachment 18381

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Re images looking oversharpened...

    The image attachment engine is forum software driven will downsize ANY file you upload to a maximum size of 900 pixels in any dimension AND it sharpens it aggressively as it assumes it should be a THUMBNAIL. this is not adjustable. So if you attach or upload a 1200 or 2000 pix image, it will get sized to 900 as a thumb view and oversharpened almost every time. The only viable workaround is to size your image to 900 pixels BEFORE attaching it. (This is now changed for our site's direct attachment option however, please see new edit below).

    The better solution is to use your FREE gallery space right here on GetDPI. You can upload images of almost any size, and the engine automatically creates 3 files on upload; a full size verion, a thumb and a 900 pix "regular view" version. All three usually look great and you get a direct url to each version, including a linkable thumb BB code string so yo can post them anywhere, including using the simple "insert image" tool button in the forum software.

    EDIT: Actually, this has been such a prevalent problem with our attachment option and I am tired of dealing with it, so I am changing the size of the attachment option thumbs to 300 Pix. This will insure that any image posted as an attachment instead of via a direct gallery link is obviously understood to be a linking thumb to a full sized image, and going forward it should be obvious that folks should click on them to see a reasonable size version...

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Test: The first image is 900 pix wide as originally uploaded, and one click gets you to it. The second is huge, like 6000 pix wide original upload, but it got automatically downsized to the 300 pix thumb and a 2000 pix wide viewing option. If you click once, you may get an intermediate sized version resized automatically by your *web browser* to match your browser window size -- in this case a little magnifying glass with a "+" sign in it will show to indicate there is a larger version still, or the max size (2000 pix) version the forum upload software created. Since those larger versions were sized properly for *viewing* and not the thumb creation engine, they look fine --- YEAH!

    HOPEFULLY you all like this new format as it eliminates to oversharpened look when attachments are used!
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Okay, it works great, so now you can all attach to your heart's content

    PS: I've also increased the number of attachments you can include in one post to 9, and increased the maximum file size to 1MB each. So knock yourselves out!


    (Phew!)
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Test: The first image is 900 pix wide as originally uploaded, and one click gets you to it. The second is huge, like 6000 pix wide original upload, but it got automatically downsized to the 300 pix thumb and a 2000 pix wide viewing option. If you click once, you may get an intermediate sized version resized automatically by your *web browser* to match your browser window size -- in this case a little magnifying glass with a "+" sign in it will show to indicate there is a larger version still, or the max size (2000 pix) version the forum upload software created. Since those larger versions were sized properly for *viewing* and not the thumb creation engine, they look fine --- YEAH!

    HOPEFULLY you all like this new format as it eliminates to oversharpened look when attachments are used!
    Thanks for this, Jack. Actually, I have posted a couple of times at 900px (attachment only) and withdrew the posts because the preview looked crunchy. I accepted that I was prepping the file wrong for this forum software or using the inappropriate avenue, etc., but hadn't gotten around to sorting it out. This helps!

    Can you clarify/reconfirm that it is now appropriate to attach a file of nearly any pixel count width (above 300px) and the original can be viewed via click-through? IOW, no need to prep a file differently for GetDPI as long as it's prepped for web. (?)

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post

    Can you clarify/reconfirm that it is now appropriate to attach a file of nearly any pixel count width (above 300px) and the original can be viewed via click-through? IOW, no need to prep a file differently for GetDPI as long as it's prepped for web. (?)
    That should be exactly correct, and what I did in the two examples above. Note though, that attach is different than embed using the "insert image" button in the post tool bar. Attach is used by going to the advanced options and uploading files via the attachment manager.
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    Thanks again, Jack. I had used "file attachment" in my process, rather than the "insert image" tool.

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    That looks like Guy with a black M8 and a 75 Cron. Old photo
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Ok gents, I reprocessed this series into toned B&W. Thoughts? (I added one to the series)

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    Given what a B&W freak I am, I am surprised to find that I do believe I prefer the colour versions of these. Perhaps if the B&W conversion was slightly less contrasty it would be the other way... I am not sure.
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    Interesting -- I definitely prefer the B&W versions, though I might back off a little on the vignette with the B&W...
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Following Jack's advice I went ahead and got a copy of Helicon Focus and after a somewhat rocky start I am now up and running - at least enough to run a simple comparison of the output between Helicon Focus and CS4 auto-blend layers.

    Here's my general workflow following CS4:

    Open in C1 run LCC and save
    Open in CS4 and run images directly from Bridge in 16bit when in turn
    opens in CS4.
    Run Auto-Align Layers
    Run Auto-Blend Layers
    Then proceed to finish processing.

    It looks like I'll be doing this for Helicon Focusing:

    Open in C1 run LCC and save
    Open Helicon Focusing run and save (saves in Jpeg only?)
    Open in CS4 and finish processing.

    I've attached four images. One full size image each processed either in CS4 or Helicon then 100% crops from each.

    Based on this very simple and somewhat crude test I can see Helicon wins. And all this time I was satisfied with CS4. Thanks (again) Jack!

    From L - R CS4,Helicon,CS4 Crop, Helicon Crop

    Also decided to test the new improved method of attaching images

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    Tend to agree with Jack regarding the vignette. However the second is great just the way it is; very powerful.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Creek View Post
    Open Helicon Focusing run and save (saves in Jpeg only?)
    Nope, you can save them as full tiffs, PSD's or gifs and a few others too!

    My basic workflow is as follows:

    1) Process all images in C1 to identical process settings, whatever works best for the group to keep as much image data in tact as possible. This generally means the file is a bit flat coming out of C1.

    2) Pull those tiffs into Helicon and autoblend them. Here you can play with the settings, but the defaults are good place to start.

    3) Edit the blend mask in HF if necessary (and for my images it usually isn't required). Here you choose a desired single source image from the group, then copy or clone source sections from it onto the composite. Repeat for each source image as necessary to get all parts of the final the way you want it. You can adjust the brush parameters as well.

    4) Output. I choose 16bit tiff then uncompressed underneath that, but there are multiple file format and compression options to choose from, then save the composite to my image drive.

    5) Next I pull that composite into CS for final editing to desired contrast, tone, etc as well as any local edits, then save it as the final.
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

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    Nope, you can save them as full tiffs, PSD's or gifs and a few others too!

    My basic workflow is as follows:

    1) Process all images in C1 to identical process settings, whatever works best for the group to keep as much image data in tact as possible. This generally means the file is a bit flat coming out of C1.

    2) Pull those tiffs into Helicon and autoblend them. Here you can play with the settings, but the defaults are good place to start.

    3) Edit the blend mask in HF if necessary (and for my images it usually isn't required). Here you choose a desired single source image from the group, then copy or clone source sections from it onto the composite. Repeat for each source image as necessary to get all parts of the final the way you want it. You can adjust the brush parameters as well.

    4) Output. I choose 16bit tiff then uncompressed underneath that, but there are multiple file format and compression options to choose from, then save the composite to my image drive.

    5) Next I pull that composite into CS for final editing to desired contrast, tone, etc as well as any local edits, then save it as the final.
    Thanks Jack!
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    My pleasure!
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    Hmmm okay let me try this new setup
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    Kind of like this setup
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    I don't have much to offer today, but I want to try this new upload process too.

    A foggy, misty morning on the Oregon coast under very flat light.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post
    I don't have much to offer today, but I want to try this new upload process too.

    A foggy, misty morning on the Oregon coast under very flat light.
    Dale, I absolutely love it! Great mood.
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    Thank you very much for your kindness, Bill. I'm glad you like it. It's an image that's been in my "undecided fate" file.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    OK, I'm trying a new upload to see if I understand....
    Attachment 18470

    I'm not an architectural expert, but these old grain elevators (the bit on the left) have nearly all disappeared, especially the bright red and yellow ones, so I shoot'em as historical records.

    This was done as a vertical with the Mamy 28 mm - the subject was placed in the top half of the picture so the lens was horizontal to avoid converging verticals. (Yeah, I know I could have corrected in PS! This was more fun!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post
    Thank you very much for your kindness, Bill. I'm glad you like it. It's an image that's been in my "undecided fate" file.
    I just looked at it again - no, I'm not being kind!
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Another image from Lake Superior. I just can't resist reflections!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    Another image from Lake Superior. I just can't resist reflections!
    I'm with you Bill! I like reflections a lot too just don't seem to do much of them, then again I do live in the desert...

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Well, Don, perhaps you get mirages instead?!
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Looks like 1200 pixels wide is nice
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Let me try 3000 pixels wide. Looks like Pano's work really nice at this setting
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    Looks great, Guy. And with a pano like that, one doesn't have to scroll both directions on 20 or 24" display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Let me try 3000 pixels wide. Looks like Pano's work really nice at this setting
    Fits nicely on my 17" laptop. Looks good too. Was that taken at the overlook on top of the hill?

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Yea seems like a perfect size for 17 and above. Starting to like this feature since the images can be processed like we normally do with some sharpening , not crunching up.

    Yes Don I had 10 minutes to shoot before the guard locked me in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    Well, Don, perhaps you get mirages instead?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea seems like a perfect size for 17 and above. Starting to like this feature since the images can be processed like we normally do with some sharpening , not crunching up.

    Yes Don I had 10 minutes to shoot before the guard locked me in.
    Didn't know they had a curfew! I was up there very late one night.
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    2 frame pano with moire
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Jennifer from last Friday's shoot
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

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    Don and Jack, you aren't the first to comment about those images being B&W. I'm having trouble with my own psychology about where I want to work in color or in B&W, and if both, how and where to draw the line so that my overall portfolio doesn't start to become a mishmash of styles. Thoughts?
    i like them in the color they are.. they follow your style (if i saw them without your name, i'd know who shot them.. i don't think the same would apply if they were b/w for me). you have your own color style that is very appealing

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    just got back from a family cruise (Alaska). My wife's grandparents were celebrating their 70th wedding anniversary (they're in their mid-90's), and they took their family (35 of us) on a week long cruise.

    These were taken from the deck of the ship, Mamiya 645AFDII, Aptus 75s (handheld)












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    From Seattle, before we embarked








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    These are wonderful Jim!

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Jim,
    When I first started to look at these I tilted my head and said Jim on a cruise but then I read the post. 70 years. WOW.

    Now to the pictures. The last one in the first post is awesome with the clouds at the same slope as the mountains descending to the valley. Also, I can't believe the water is that smooth with the ship sitting there. I don't think I've even seen a boat that big in such still water. Is that Ghery building made with different materials than he normally uses. Not used to seeing those colors, which are wonderful.

    Hope you had fun and didn't need a vacation from your vacation when you got back .

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    WOW, Jim!

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