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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Very nice, Bill. Not the in-your-face grandeur of the southwest ... but as a Great Lakes state resident, you learn to appreciate the subtlety in color and terrain that have their own beauty.

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    Thank you Kurt. It's easier when your soul is buried somewhere in the Canadian Shield! The sheer vastness alone is inspiring.
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Creek View Post
    Tested converting IR to B&W using only C1

    The first image was opened in C1 and 100% processed while the second image was processed using Bridge then onto CS4 to complete the processing.
    I like the second one better, Don - tho' I'm usually a C1 fan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    I like the second one better, Don - tho' I'm usually a C1 fan!
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    I agree with you. I think it because I was able to use masks and really get into the IR look.

    Still playing around and I'm begining to think this might not be the best image to play with. I've also read about doing a custom WB with the filter which is what I'll try next time.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    "Waiting for Winter", another of my islands north of Lake Superior last Fall


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    Bill, this is a beautiful image... so much so I downloaded and played around with the crop. It lends itself nicely to a square format although it's a shame to waste the rest.

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    Hmm, I feel like the IR effect diminishes the depth of the image. By equalizing tonalities between the foreground and background, it flattens it out. I'm votin' for the first, but maybe with a little darker sky. I love how much control we have over this stuff now, versus the wet darkroom!

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    Cow love... who said you can't shoot action with a MFDB?

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    Justin, not sure your trademark processing helps this series .
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    Justin - words fail me right now...
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    I'm keeping it clean and not saying anything.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    "Waiting for Winter", another of my islands north of Lake Superior last Fall


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    What a magical place Bill, where is it exactly?

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    What a magical place Bill, where is it exactly?
    It's just off the Trans-Canada Highway (17) a few miles west of Wawa, Ontario, on the way to White River.

    Thanks everyone for your kind comments. The 36 inch print blows me away with all that P45+ detail!

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    Start of our trek was easy; Geneva. Here is a view from the tower
    (ROOCC) right out of central casting!

    I used Jack's P45 for 1200 web action

    second is a crop

    Nice to have MM (Mucho-Megapixels)

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    well, I tried to up a load a MERE 2MB file (ok, so was a 7000x2000 pixel pano

    failed

    i've gotta see if I can get a link to the file
    nothing special, but 1200 long pano's are bad for my 67 YO eyes!

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    Tried 1900 seems to work but lots of loss (this is a stich of 7 366MP files!) reduced to under 500kB
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    Victor -- you can attach 1200 TALL x 2000 WIDE images max. You can upload anything larger to your gallery and link to it

    PS: Looks like the sizing actions are working well for you! (Note, the P45 set is for any 30MP and higher file, the other set is better for files less than 30 MP.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Victor -- you can attach 1200 TALL x 2000 WIDE images max. You can upload anything larger to your gallery and link to it
    yup
    got it
    reduced to 1900 wide and worked

    BTW, have you considered adding 2000 to your action? would help in situations like this
    Thx and regards
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Goofing off and decided to work this image up from our last trip to Monument Valley - not too sure if it's done yet but wanted to share two versions. Taken with Cambo WRS-1000, P45+ and 72mm lens two-image merged to 10448 by 3671 pixels.

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    Don, I prefer the color version but have you thought of cropping out the road? Which would also eliminate the horizon cutting the pic in half? Or am I (a) trying to impose my style on you (bad!!) or (2) being unnecessarily traditional?

    Great pic either way!

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    Don, I prefer the color version but have you thought of cropping out the road? Which would also eliminate the horizon cutting the pic in half? Or am I (a) trying to impose my style on you (bad!!) or (2) being unnecessarily traditional?

    Great pic either way!

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    No worries Bill

    I don't like the B&W either and the more I look at the color the more I think it sucks. There I said it! The original colors looked a heck of a lot better than what is being displayed.

    As to the road - well I kind of like it. It adds a bit of mystery to the image. Where could I travel if I took the road?

    This was an exercise this afternoon while waiting for a backup to be done and since I didn't feel like watching TV I decided instead to do a go at this image just for kicks and giggles. Definitely not one of my better attempts

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    Not for Don's benefit per say . BUT you learn nothing if you don't experiment and frankly one of the best ways to learn to be a shooter.

    Don not liking it either but let me add i like when I see folks post stuff that may not even be there best , we all learn from it.
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    New series, from the harbour of Sassnitz:

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    Hmm, why is that second shot darker in Safari than in Preview? Weird.
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Hmm, why is that second shot darker in Safari than in Preview? Weird.
    here it's the same in preview and safari

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Hmm, why is that second shot darker in Safari than in Preview? Weird.
    Carsten, I drug the second image into Preview and on my display they're the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    New series, from the harbour of Sassnitz:



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    The second one's my fave. Nice, subversive framing!

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    Thanks Tim, that is my favorite too, of this set, although the third one also appeals.

    thomas and Dave, strange! If I drag the image from this forum to my harddrive, it is the same as the original, but if viewed in Safari (4.0.2), it gets darker, even though it is in sRGB. Weird.
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    Same here too, looks the same in Safari 4.2...

    My bigger issue is it seems all of them are a bit soft -- is that an effect you are processing to, or am I just not seeing right?
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    I only see the softness in the third one, which was taken wide open with the Hasselblad 110mm f/2, and is focused slightly too far forward. My adapter doesn't go to infinity, something I have to remedy soon. The second one is not so sharp at 100%, but already at 50% it looks fine. The first one is razor-sharp even at full size, but f/8 doesn't carry the sharpness all the way from the top to the bottom. I focused at the top, where every pixel is sharp

    I managed to leave home, on this our first trip with our baby daughter, without bringing my tripod, but these are taken at around 1/500s handheld, so that ought to be enough. I am not sure what I did wrong in the second one, which should have been sharp even at full size. Synapse blowout.

    I decided to treat the whole trip as a test and learning phase for the back, which I got the Thursday before we left. Not having a tripod I couldn't pay the kind of attention to the images that I did with my film cemetary series, and anyway, with daughter and girlfriend waiting (im-)patiently for every shot, it wasn't really conducive to perfectionist manoevres.

    I don't do any special sharpening, except during conversion to DNG, and I specifically don't do any sharpening after downsizing, so maybe that is it?
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    This was NOT meant to be a technically great or well thought out image for critical analysis....it was shot very quickly, hand held, in a local mountain market in a shaded produce stand, near our home in Colorado. Getting familiar with the P65+ and various settings. H2 with 65+, 80mm HC lens. Sensor Plus at ISO 800! Eleanor
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleanorbrown View Post
    This was NOT meant to be a technically great or well thought out image for critical analysis....it was shot very quickly, hand held, in a local mountain market in a shaded produce stand, near our home in Colorado. Getting familiar with the P65+ and various settings. H2 with 65+, 80mm HC lens. Sensor Plus at ISO 800! Eleanor
    Great to hear you got the P65! Nice image btw

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    thanks Don. I have to say, with some degree of humility, that the sensor plus is definitely a PLUS. I was doubtful that I would ever make use of this as I am notoriously anti grain for film and anti noise for digital capture....usually shooting at iso 50 or 100 max. Today at the farmers market I knew I needed higher iso to get these vegetables in the shade so I though, OK I'll switch to sensor plus at iso 800.... I can get a great 16X20 at 210 dpi. In this shot the glow and shine on the deep purple is clean and really magnificent in a print. Eleanor



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    Quote Originally Posted by eleanorbrown View Post
    thanks Don. I have to say, with some degree of humility, that the sensor plus is definitely a PLUS. I was doubtful that I would ever make use of this as I am notoriously anti grain for film and anti noise for digital capture....usually shooting at iso 50 or 100 max. Today at the farmers market I knew I needed higher iso to get these vegetables in the shade so I though, OK I'll switch to sensor plus at iso 800.... I can get a great 16X20 at 210 dpi. In this shot the glow and shine on the deep purple is clean and really magnificent in a print. Eleanor
    I'm hearing much the same thing from Ken - guess it's only a matter of time for me to bite the bullet....

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Fashion 9000 feet and above. Frisco, Colorado farmer's market. H2, P65+, 80mm HC lens, iso 50, hand held. Lots of detail here . processed in Capture One with pre sharpening #1. Eleanor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Creek View Post
    I'm hearing much the same thing from Ken - guess it's only a matter of time for me to bite the bullet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Phase P65+? Is that like being assimilated?? Oh, wait----that's for the Cube!

    Go to your room!
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    Hey Eleanor, your P65 came?! Nice! Got mine too and loving it. Had to put it straight to work so not much time to "play" yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleanorbrown View Post
    This was NOT meant to be a technically great or well thought out image for critical analysis....it was shot very quickly, hand held, in a local mountain market in a shaded produce stand, near our home in Colorado. Getting familiar with the P65+ and various settings. H2 with 65+, 80mm HC lens. Sensor Plus at ISO 800! Eleanor
    I would buy those onions!
    What are your first impressions of the P65+?.......... waiting for mine.

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    Carsten, I like all three but do like most the first one.
    For my taste I wouldnt apply more sharpening- but I guess its really a mater of taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    Carsten, I like all three but do like most the first one.
    For my taste I wouldnt apply more sharpening- but I guess its really a mater of taste.
    Yeah, I don't get the whole sharpen-as-much-as-possible strategy. Even without reaching over-sharpening levels, I rarely prefer the sharpened results to the unsharpened results. I think I just like the relaxed look of a nicely focused, unsharpened image, even if the detail is slightly soft at 100%.

    Having said that, two of the above three were not sharp, as spotted by Jack. I really need to not forget my tripod when using an ISO 50 camera

    Here is the door of the lighthouse, and a crop of the lock. This is one of the things I was looking for in MF. In this case, the top of the metal plate is over-exposed, so please ignore that

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    Interesting, Eleanor, how the sensor Dalsa sensor does have a different look to it. Really can't say if it is better or worse, just different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    I really need to not forget my tripod when using an ISO 50 camera
    Even a good monopod helps a lot. For snapshots when "walking around" I prefer the monopod. Compensates for 2, probably 3 stops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Not for Don's benefit per say . BUT you learn nothing if you don't experiment and frankly one of the best ways to learn to be a shooter.

    Don not liking it either but let me add i like when I see folks post stuff that may not even be there best , we all learn from it.
    Really didn't mean to ignore this.

    Guy is totally correct; we learn nothing at all if we just process images the "normal way" and never experiment. I'll admit that I first go after images that show promise; those where I did almost if not everything right in capturing it. However no matter how many post processing programs you have and how much time you spend on an image the bottom line is you need a good mage to begin with. I've spent large amounts of time on images only to trash them before I ven print them as I know they weren't suitable.

    That said I love to experiment with images pushing them to new levels to see what will work and what won't. Sometimes I think of a different way to process the sky and will sit for hours doing just that. It's difficult training the brain to concentrate on just one portion of an image while ignoring what happening elsewhere but thanks to layer masks I've been able to do just that. It also helps to have a brain that is as unconventional as mine.

    I've always said that I "listen" to my images and follow what they say. Okay sounds weird and maybe you're now thinking you don't want to be in the same room with me by yourself. What I mean is your image will tell you when you're at the point where you need do nothing else; the foreground is perfect, the background is perfect. In other words the image is at a place where it makes you proud to have captured it. It's no longer a "snapshot".

    So despite what we heard when we were younger it's good to experiment!

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    This back no doubt has a "different look" and it is going to take more careful study of the files to pinpoint just "what" is different. I've only had it for a day and a half. What I can say now is that when the shots are good (I haven't done any "serious" shooting/composing, etc) they are very very good. They have 3 dimensionality and texture and micro-contrast that is in your face attention getting and makes you feel like you "are there". The color is different to my eye, especially in how they handle the red spectrum---sometimes I like this, sometimes I think the red tones are a bit "off"...but this is the profile I think. The shot of the purple onions looks fabulous in print and that's at iso 800!

    I'm far from being a fashion shooter but have attached a file shot at the market of fabrics. In print at the equivalent of 22X30 at 300 dpi, this has what people have called a 'liquid smoothness" and very fine texture to the fabric that looks really wonderful. Eleanor




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    I would buy those onions!
    What are your first impressions of the P65+?.......... waiting for mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Yeah, I don't get the whole sharpen-as-much-as-possible strategy. Even without reaching over-sharpening levels, I rarely prefer the sharpened results to the unsharpened results. I think I just like the relaxed look of a nicely focused, unsharpened image, even if the detail is slightly soft at 100%.

    Having said that, two of the above three were not sharp, as spotted by Jack. I really need to not forget my tripod when using an ISO 50 camera

    Here is the door of the lighthouse, and a crop of the lock. This is one of the things I was looking for in MF. In this case, the top of the metal plate is over-exposed, so please ignore that

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    Carsten,
    I know that when looking on 100% crops on screen that ISO 50 is the best, but up to 200 ISO is really usable. I rather have a little noise vs "image shake" or too thin DOF.
    I think limiting oneself to base ISO might make one miss certain images / scenes.

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    This back no doubt has a "different look" and it is going to take more careful study of the files to pinpoint just "what" is different. I've only had it for a day and a half. What I can say now is that when the shots are good (I haven't done any "serious" shooting/composing, etc) they are very very good. They have 3 dimensionality and texture and micro-contrast that is in your face attention getting and makes you feel like you "are there". The color is different to my eye, especially in how they handle the red spectrum---sometimes I like this, sometimes I think the red tones are a bit "off"...but this is the profile I think. The shot of the purple onions looks fabulous in print and that's at iso 800!

    I'm far from being a fashion shooter but have attached a file shot at the market of fabrics. In print at the equivalent of 22X30 at 300 dpi, this has what people have called a 'liquid smoothness" and very fine texture to the fabric that looks really wonderful. Eleanor
    Eleanor P65+ users need to view this thread , even though it is the P40+ they are identical when it comes to color and the profile difference between Kodak and Dalsa. They are different and have a different look, now I would not call it bad or good but just different and something you need to wrap your arms around the last images with the CC card are a real good tell tale sign of how they render differently. Seems the Kodak likes blues and reds and Dalsa like greens and yellows.

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8090

    I wish I had more time with the P40+ do to more testing in this area but we left for the workshop with it and I never got a chance to shoot it again. It was being used by the participants the whole time, even the P65 that was there. I had to shoot my lowly P30+ the whole time. Like that really bothered me
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    Tom, don't worry, I have already used both ISO 100 and 200. The 100 shots are perfectly fine, but I haven't really looked closely at the 200 shots yet. The ISO 400 setting I have not tried yet, but don't expect much from it.
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Thanks Guy, this is very informative and helpful! eleanor


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    Eleanor P65+ users need to view this thread , even though it is the P40+ they are identical when it comes to color and the profile difference between Kodak and Dalsa. They are different and have a different look, now I would not call it bad or good but just different and something you need to wrap your arms around the last images with the CC card are a real good tell tale sign of how they render differently. Seems the Kodak likes blues and reds and Dalsa like greens and yellows.

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8090

    I wish I had more time with the P40+ do to more testing in this area but we left for the workshop with it and I never got a chance to shoot it again. It was being used by the participants the whole time, even the P65 that was there. I had to shoot my lowly P30+ the whole time. Like that really bothered me

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    Your welcome as you can see the difference between the Kodak and Dalsa it is quite interesting. Hopefully I can continue that test at some point. Myself I would really like having the P40+ at some point. It fits all of my work very nicely
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    Just sitting on the sidelines of the P65+/P40+ stuff, it sort of looks to my eye (on screen) that the Kodak backs bring a bit of Kodachrome look, while the new Dalsa-equipped backs have a look sort of analogous to Ektachrome transparency film. Not saying a direct correlation, but sort of a similar (though less drastic) a shift.

    I wonder if Phase is finished with the current profile or if there will be updates coming.

    The files sure are impressive with regard to detail, tonality, etc.

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    Dale that is my impression as well the Kodak sensors look like Kodachrome. Now I have said this with the DMR, M8 and all of the Phase backs that use the Kodak sensor. One reason I went Phase was the Kodak sensors , I always liked the look from them. Some folks prefer Dalsa but it does have a different look to me. Some say it is urban myth but after playing with these backs nothing mythical about it they are a different look. Now is it correct or is it not is the question. Not so sure it is not correct but just the way it does render. Heck the Kodak sensors could be not correct for all we know. But Jack and I have been talking about this since we first tried the P65 pre production unit months ago. To me it looks like a cross between Velvia and Extachrome. It likes green and yellow. Now my question is can the profile be changed to maybe look more like the Kodak sensors. My feeling is sure why not and maybe we can do in C1 actually by picking a different profile or something Phase can do is putting a added profile in. I have no answers here but something since i ran that test have been wondering about. Maybe a new thread should be started on this but I have not heard anywhere on any forum about this except here. Maybe I can take some of those files and try some other profiles in C1
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