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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Creek View Post
    Bob- Please keep it up! Who know you might inspire me to actually take an image with a person in it.

    And speaking of images -
    Don, you might just inspire me to get out to the Grand Canyon too.
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    Guy I apologize. I have absolutely no idea why I would think these models are depicting lesbian interaction.

    And wow, the bondage pictures are truly magnificient. Perhaps everybody can make REALLY BIG prints of these and frame them for exhibit in their homes.

    I guess I simply don't understand "art".

    I DO UNDERSTAND that there are some incredibly gifted folks on this board and I DO appreciate seeing their work (yours too).

    MAY I SUGGEST, that you have a seperate thread for "art" pictures.

    Thanks in advance for considering my request.
    It ia always difficult to decide where to post a particular image in a forum mostly organized around equipment rather than genre.
    We could have a landscape forum, a family and pets forum, a street forum, maybe architecture and weddings too.
    I will perhaps make more use of the Images to share forum for these sorts of things in the future, but I wonder which ones I should send there?
    Maybe all of them landscapes travel and fish markets too.
    Or you could help me out and define "art".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex View Post
    Guy I apologize. I have absolutely no idea why I would think these models are depicting lesbian interaction.

    And wow, the bondage pictures are truly magnificient. Perhaps everybody can make REALLY BIG prints of these and frame them for exhibit in their homes.
    Tex, you should come over to my place and I'll hook you up

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    Tex, you should come over to my place and I'll hook you up
    David, that statement says a lot about you.

    Do you have additional gems to add?

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    I'll try to make this quick...I think the point has been missed here. I'm far far from being a right wing nut, and not stupid nor naive (but I am opinionated). I don't care if the women are lesbians...so what. What I care about (and I mean this in general terms) is how women are portrayed...."the objectification and stereotyping of women in this country and elsewhere. High fashion and porn...you name it, makes it very hard for young women to grown up and be comfortable with imperfections. A while back there was a fashion image of a women who looked like she hadn't had a meal in several months and all the guys loved the image. I found the image very disturbing for the reasons above (among others) but kept quiet. I love wonderful artistically done nudes...they can really be provocative and lovely and sensuous. But when you are female and you see women portrayed as "objects" of fantasy and otherwise over and over and over it gets old. Eleanor

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    David, that statement says a lot about you.

    Do you have additional gems to add?
    Sure do, but I'll keep them for when we become friends.

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    Folks, let's take it down a notch. We are all adults here, and obviously a few of the images posted have ruffled feathers. As Guy indicated, one of the first rules of this forum is to treat each other respectfully. A few of you have crossed that line with your comments towards the posters of the images.

    And yes, I can understand why some of the images posted may disturb or offend the sensibilities of a few of you. (Though frankly, you can see worse or depending on your point of view, more, in most any fashion magazine sold at the local grocery store here in the states.)

    Re direct nudity. In the future, let's keep those images posted in separate threads appropriately labeled with a nudity warning, OR set as links with appropriate warning. David, I am going to edit your images to links for that reason.

    So let's carry on dialog on the joys and foibles of photography that we all share in common -- please.
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    Re direct nudity. In the future, let's keep those images posted in separate threads appropriately labeled with a nudity warning, OR set as links with appropriate warning. David, I am going to edit your images to links for that reason.

    I HOPE NOT!

    Funny how a little childish bitching suddenly changes the rules for everyone. I thought that this was an open minded photography forum open to all types of photography and photographers, am I wrong?

    Jack, if you do this and start censoring basic nudes for a few babies then you might as well throw in the towel now and bring in some family advertising and get annexed to dpereview!

    Lets not forget what got the children moaning was not nudity but the image of two young models, sitting FULLY DRESSED! on a couch, and that's the crowd that you want to appease? Are you going to link them too? Maybe we should link all images of women, just in case. I'm sorry to say but you should get your priorities right!
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    All shot today at the South Rim ...
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    Great shots Don!

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    My 2c about the brouhaha: the images aren't particularly my cup of tea, but I don't think they should be censored in any way. I can understand why Jack wants to put nudes behind a link (which isn't censoring, ddk, just inconvenience for some combined with the ability of others to choose not to see them), although I don't understand why nudes offend some, to be honest.

    Eleanor, I see where you are coming from, but to be honest, you will find these images everywhere. For every person who is tired of seeing them, there is one who loves them. LL is no exception. I would just wrinkle your brow and scroll down when you see something that doesn't appeal.

    Bob, I might be wrong, but I would guess that what fanned the flames was more the various comments following the posting than the first image by itself, which is only slightly suggestive.
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    Back to images, hopefully.

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    And, a few more in black and white.

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    i'm with carsten and eleanor.

    the repulsive part was the insulting tone and personal prejudice from T and T, the personal remarks about the photographer and the few mens' barroom comments (which have appeared before)

    otoh, in general on this forum there are not enough negatively critical (constructive) comments. too much use of "awesome, beautiful, etc..." which though supportive, ends up with little helpful direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post

    in general on this forum there are not enough negatively critical (constructive) comments. too much use of "awesome, beautiful, etc..." which though supportive, ends up with little helpful direction.
    I too believe that honest, straight forward criticism is a lot more valuable than empty praise, the trick is keeping it straight and subjective and avoid making it personal.

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    Tex, read that 1000 times:
    "I don't care if the women are lesbian... so what ?"

    Unbelievable, so narrow-minded people still exist in our (almost) nice and educated little free world...

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Kurt - the first black and white is inspiring, I can learn much from this image.

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    Hi-

    Here's a whimsical front fence which asks the age old question:

    Is smurf human cohabitation a sin?

    jim

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    "The trick is keeping it straight and subjective and avoid making it personal."

    I think the problem is more complicated than that. I find that when "political" issues come up, or at least issues that some consider to be political, people get very emotional. I know I've sometimes read things that caused me to reconsider my feelings about posters, sometimes thinking that the person was more intelligent and enlightened than I'd thought, sometimes the opposite.

    I found Eleanor's response to the brouhaha over Bob's photos interesting. One point it raised is that photographs, and comments about them, may insult their subjects. I agree that the personal attack on Bob was unwarranted and out of line, but I think that Eleanor's right* when she says that sometimes we need to defend the subject as well as the artist.


    * If that's what she meant.

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    For what it's worth, my comment on Bob's image was intended to match the photographic genre; tacky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    Kurt - the first black and white is inspiring, I can learn much from this image.
    +1 (or rather +2)

    The first two shots show that not every MF shot has to be focus-stacked, HDR'd and processed to hills. I like the whimsical nature of these selective focus landscapes and think I might have to stea--- I mean borrow this technique in the future. And the thrid shot is no slouch, either.

    Great stuff as always, Kurt.

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    I've received a number of email messages about this forum so I'll respond here......Once one enters into the world of medium format digital it's a given that a significant percentage of users are male that make their living photographing high stakes big time high fashion. Fashion is absolutely not all bad but there is enough "stuff' out there that turns women into "objects" in the name of "art", uh...money.....so much so that it gets really old really fast. What amazes me even more, is the number of men that find many of these over the top images "cool" with no regard to how it makes women appear......ie: lacking gray matter to start. I usually try to just ignore, but in this case several forum members brought up some issues so I chose to make a comment. I think Bob's image became somewhat "representative" of some of what is being done in fashion, tho it was mild compared to the the thousands of fashion images of stick figured mannequin looking women that appear as if they are going to a halloween party. Most real world thinking women (photographers included) I personally know don't think this is cool. Was there a subdued seductive component to Bob's image? of course, but this too is not uncommon in "art" fashion. Bottom line, images of women that turn them into stereotypes and objects are as common as grains of sand....just after a while, and i keep saying this, it gets old. End of subject from an opinionated photographer :-) Eleanor

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    Thank you, Eleanor.
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    I absolutely agree with you Eleanor, but no matter how many pictures like these are made, most men consume this stuff like geese being munched for paté de foie. We are guilty as charged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleanorbrown View Post
    I've received a number of email messages about this forum so I'll respond here......Once one enters into the world of medium format digital it's a given that a significant percentage of users are male that make their living photographing high stakes big time high fashion. Fashion is absolutely not all bad but there is enough "stuff' out there that turns women into "objects" in the name of "art", uh...money.....so much so that it gets really old really fast. What amazes me even more, is the number of men that find many of these over the top images "cool" with no regard to how it makes women appear......ie: lacking gray matter to start. I usually try to just ignore, but in this case several forum members brought up some issues so I chose to make a comment. I think Bob's image became somewhat "representative" of some of what is being done in fashion, tho it was mild compared to the the thousands of fashion images of stick figured mannequin looking women that appear as if they are going to a halloween party. Most real world thinking women (photographers included) I personally know don't think this is cool. Was there a subdued seductive component to Bob's image? of course, but this too is not uncommon in "art" fashion. Bottom line, images of women that turn them into stereotypes and objects are as common as grains of sand....just after a while, and i keep saying this, it gets old. End of subject from an opinionated photographer :-) Eleanor

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    In a lighter vein

    what happens when the bridge rotates with the mountain guide!

    (this led to LOTS of rock jumping.)

    P65+ cropped
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Just some out takes from last week . All shot under tungsten stage lighting all at ISO 800 with a P30+ back. For me this was why I went from the P25+ to the P30+ was to gain that extra stop even though not at ISO 1600 the ISO 800 are just deadly quiet on noise. Shot with various lenses but the tight stuff is the Mamiya 300mm wide open and deadly sharp to boot. I used continuous AF on these and hardly missed. The AFDIII may not be a Canon on speed with AF but it's ability to track focus is uncanny. I rarely miss
    Guy, I guess your stuff lost out to all the lesbian talk and went unnoticed. I don't know your hit/miss rate but but what you post is damn good shooting MF at iso 800, specially when you mention the 300mm, and you don't even have a cube !!!
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    Thanks David , yea guess it all got lost in the sauce. Actually the 300mm shots are with a monopod no less. LOL

    Thanks for noticiing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thanks David , yea guess it all got lost in the sauce. Actually the 300mm shots are with a monopod no less. LOL

    Thanks for noticiing
    Guy, Shot with just stage lighting? The 300mm really gives them a 3d look, they jump off the screen.

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    Yes just stage lighting and yes the 300mm mamiya lens is the closet sleeper of a lens in the line and very reasonable priced
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleanorbrown View Post
    I've received a number of email messages about this forum so I'll respond here......Once one enters into the world of medium format digital it's a given that a significant percentage of users are male that make their living photographing high stakes big time high fashion. Fashion is absolutely not all bad but there is enough "stuff' out there that turns women into "objects" in the name of "art", uh...money.....so much so that it gets really old really fast. What amazes me even more, is the number of men that find many of these over the top images "cool" with no regard to how it makes women appear......ie: lacking gray matter to start. I usually try to just ignore, but in this case several forum members brought up some issues so I chose to make a comment. I think Bob's image became somewhat "representative" of some of what is being done in fashion, tho it was mild compared to the the thousands of fashion images of stick figured mannequin looking women that appear as if they are going to a halloween party. Most real world thinking women (photographers included) I personally know don't think this is cool. Was there a subdued seductive component to Bob's image? of course, but this too is not uncommon in "art" fashion. Bottom line, images of women that turn them into stereotypes and objects are as common as grains of sand....just after a while, and i keep saying this, it gets old. End of subject from an opinionated photographer :-) Eleanor
    Eleanor, I'm trying to figure out who you have a beef with. Is it skinny women, the fashion and pin up world or men in general? Do you have a preference for images of chunky women over boney ones? What do you think of images where men are objectified?

    Let me remind you that whatever opinions you have regarding objectified females in fashion photography, they are done for the consumption of women who buy those fashion magazines, and not men, including those of idealized and objectified young males! Fashion world and fashion photography isn't a good boys club the way you think of it, the industry is dominated by plenty of high powered women at every level including the very top.

    Regarding Bob's images, fact is that the girls were happy to take his money and pose for him I don't really get why you're having a problem with it.

    Funny thing is that the last time I had this conversation I was criticized for for using my subjects as objects rather than objectifying them as people, I'm still trying to figure that one out...

    FYI, women photographers that I've had the pleasure of working with and learning from don't seem to have a chip on their shoulders and apparently neither does this lady photographer;

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/attach...4&d=1236057234

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...19&postcount=3

    To conclude, the real world thinking women in my life take offense when called common or stereo typical just because they're cool with female sexuality!
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    Just 300mm shots only
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    Leave it be David. We live in different worlds.
    1. you didn't read my post carefully.
    2. you're trying to pick a fight
    3. You're trying to turn what I said into a "black and white situation", which is isn't, and
    4. You're the last person I'm going to get into a debate with. Enough said. Leave it be.
    5. I've been to the top of a 14,000+ foot peak today with some wonderful images and I'm going to enjoy a glass of Merlot and process my P65 shots.

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    Eleanor, I'm trying to figure out who you have a beef with. Is it skinny women, the fashion and pin up world or men in general? Do you have a preference for images of chunky women over boney ones? What do you think of images where men are objectified?

    Let me remind you that whatever opinions you have regarding objectified females in fashion photography, they are done for the consumption of women who buy those fashion magazines, and not men, including those of idealized and objectified young males! Fashion world and fashion photography isn't a good boys club the way you think of it, the industry is dominated by plenty of high powered women at every level including the very top.

    Regarding Bob's images, fact is that the girls were happy to take his money and pose for him I don't really get why you're having a problem with it.

    Funny thing is that the last time I had this conversation I was criticized for for using my subjects as objects rather than objectifying them as people, I'm still trying to figure that one out...

    FYI, women photographers that I've had the pleasure of working with and learning from don't seem to have a chip on their shoulders and apparently neither does this lady photographer;

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/attach...4&d=1236057234

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...19&postcount=3

    To conclude, the real world thinking women in my life don't appreciate being called common or stereo typical just because they're cool with female sexuality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleanorbrown View Post
    Leave it be David. We live in different worlds.
    1. you didn't read my post carefully.
    2. you're trying to pick a fight
    3. You're trying to turn what I said into a "black and white situation", which is isn't, and
    4. You're the last person I'm going to get into a debate with. Enough said. Leave it be.
    5. I've been to the top of a 14,000+ foot peak today with some wonderful images and I'm going to enjoy a glass of Merlot and process my P65 shots.

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    We might live in different worlds Eleanor but I'm not looking for a fight. Enjoy your Merlot!

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    Just for informational news on what agents pick. Let me explain this show , first it is a model and talent convention for aspiring models and actors to be discovered by the top agents, cast directors and managers from all over the world. This is what International Model and Talent is and that is to put all the schools from around the world in front of over 500 agents from all over the place. My wife Nancy produces this show and she has been doing it for over 26 years. She is the queen in this business. I shoot the shows and produce all the multi media for them. Now these two images of these two models I did not shoot but they both represent the male model of the year and the female Model of the year. Both these young models will walk away with huge contracts from agents like Elite and such and make a extremely good life. Now these are winners judged by all the agents and cast directors. This is what they are looking for this time in NY. Not much has changed except this time it is not the katie Moss look of skinnier than a slim jim look but still these are young fresh faces with a slim look. This is the fashion business like it or not but this is what hits the magazines and sells millions of dollars worth of products. Folks this is a multi billion dollar industry with millions of jobs attached to it and this is ultimately these young faces will sell all that product. Take it for what it is worth but it will never change . These are these kids winning slides
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    Please consider this a work in progress as I shot this afternoon around sunset, loaded into the computer this evening and my rear is dragging so this is where I stopped. Cambo WRS-1000, P45+ 120mm lens I think it was f/11 @125 but right now I can't find my notes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    Eleanor, I'm trying to figure out who you have a beef with. Is it skinny women, the fashion and pin up world or men in general? Do you have a preference for images of chunky women over boney ones? What do you think of images where men are objectified?
    You are jumping from black to white here, and skipping all the tones in between. There is a whole world of healthy, beautiful people in between stick and chunk. Someone like Monica Belucci would be a standard example. She is not thin, but still gorgeous. I don't get the stick people either.

    There is no problem with men in general. There is just a problem with men whose tastes run to women so skinny that they are unhealthy or frail. Unfortunately there are many men like this, but it is far from dominant, just very visible, and unfortunately has driven the primary North American fashion photography segment for a couple of decades now. In Europe it is less dominant, but still prevalent. At some point, fashion will move on, and stick people will be seen as unhealthy again.
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    FWIW, I was not offended by Bob's image. It didn't work for me, but that's a separate issue and I don't expect to like every image posted here.

    What does bother me is the attempts by some to impose their own view of morality on the board.

    I was banned from a Flickr group (without warning) for posting this image:



    The reason given was that is was 'nudity'. When I pointed out that this did not meet with the dictionary definition of the word, and there was much less visible than in a bikini shot (which is allowed on the group), the woman changed her argument to "I wouldn't want my daughter to dress like that". I responded with asking her whether she would ban all photos and films depicting any immoral or illegal behaviour which might influence her daughter (which would inculde nearly every film released today) and she never responded. She had no argument and she knew it. (She didn't have the integrity to unban me either).

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    Fashion is absolutely not all bad but there is enough "stuff' out there that turns women into "objects" in the name of "art", uh...money.....so much so that it gets really old really fast.
    Eleanour, I have to disagree on all counts. Whether images of women 'gets old' is a subjective matter. There are millions of photos of cats, dogs, leaves, cars, landscapes, etc. Everything has been done a million times - why focus your objection on images of women? And what does Bob's image have to do with fashion photography? Actually there is very little fashion photography posted on this board.

    But since you brought up fashion photography, women aren't being 'objectified'. Women want to spend money on fashion and beauty. Women respond to advertising. It is the marketer's job to determine what kinds of marketing works best on women, and women respond best to photos of beautiful and slim women. (An aspirational response). If women responded better to photos of less attractive and heavier-built women, then the profit-hungry fashion corporations would surely take advantage of that fact. So in the end, the reason fashion photography features so many 'stick figured' women (as you put it) is because that is what works on women - men don't even figure into this equation.
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    Fashion world and fashion photography isn't a good boys club the way you think of it, the industry is dominated by plenty of high powered women at every level including the very top.
    Totally agree. Most big fashion mags have female editors, for example.

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    This shot is awesome Graham. The mood, the place, the lady, the light creating this atmosphere. Wonderfull.

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    Although not a landscape, I hope that this does not cause too much controversy. It was shot for her portfolio


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    5. I've been to the top of a 14,000+ foot peak today with some wonderful images and I'm going to enjoy a glass of Merlot and process my P65 shots.

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    FWIW, I was not offended by Bob's image. It didn't work for me, but that's a separate issue and I don't expect to like every image posted here.

    What does bother me is the attempts by some to impose their own view of morality on the board.

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    The reason given was that is was 'nudity'. When I pointed out that this did not meet with the dictionary definition of the word, and there was much less visible than in a bikini shot (which is allowed on the group), the woman changed her argument to "I wouldn't want my daughter to dress like that". I responded with asking her whether she would ban all photos and films depicting any immoral or illegal behaviour which might influence her daughter (which would inculde nearly every film released today) and she never responded. She had no argument and she knew it. (She didn't have the integrity to unban me either).



    Eleanour, I have to disagree on all counts. Whether images of women 'gets old' is a subjective matter. There are millions of photos of cats, dogs, leaves, cars, landscapes, etc. Everything has been done a million times - why focus your objection on images of women? And what does Bob's image have to do with fashion photography? Actually there is very little fashion photography posted on this board.

    But since you brought up fashion photography, women aren't being 'objectified'. Women want to spend money on fashion and beauty. Women respond to advertising. It is the marketer's job to determine what kinds of marketing works best on women, and women respond best to photos of beautiful and slim women. (An aspirational response). If women responded better to photos of less attractive and heavier-built women, then the profit-hungry fashion corporations would surely take advantage of that fact. So in the end, the reason fashion photography features so many 'stick figured' women (as you put it) is because that is what works on women - men don't even figure into this equation.

    Actually that Katie Moss look has been out of Vogue for awhile now and obviously at the time was a big issue because it seemed so unhealthy which i don't disagree with but that opinion and many others may actually come from being a parent as well. I would not want to see my daughter that thin, so here i do agree it was a very controversial look. But like anything else in fashion that look has changed maybe 6 times since she first appeared in the rags. But even so that is a moral judgement from within ourselves on how she looked. She still did what her agent thought she would do sell multi millions of dollars worth of product. Fashion is advertising pure and simple and there is no getting around it be it we like the look or not. Fashion is a very fluid industry and does not always represent the girl or boy next door look either. This image is not even close to that Katie Moss look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foto-z View Post


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    But since you brought up fashion photography, women aren't being 'objectified'. Women want to spend money on fashion and beauty. Women respond to advertising. It is the marketer's job to determine what kinds of marketing works best on women, and women respond best to photos of beautiful and slim women. (An aspirational response). If women responded better to photos of less attractive and heavier-built women, then the profit-hungry fashion corporations would surely take advantage of that fact. So in the end, the reason fashion photography features so many 'stick figured' women (as you put it) is because that is what works on women - men don't even figure into this equation.
    Sort of why the "Marlboro Man" worked so well.

    Although I enjoy viewing fashion photography, I don't buy women's clothes (no comments here please )

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    PS:I wish I had more opportunity for fashion or related. Women and their clothes just seem to have more variety (in spite of Bruno's attempt at a male 'midriff'.)

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    As a side note, much of what has influenced me has been knowing my friend, Wendy and her parents for the past 35 plus years. Wendy has become part of the Dove campaign for real beauty and self esteem for women and is a "model" for Dove. Here is a (nude) photo of Wendy. She is a wife, mother, grandmother, daughter, sister, has a career and is a PhD. Lives in San Francisco and swims in San Francisco Bay for daily exercise. I realize fashion is a billion dollar business but dog fighting, and our factory farming practices in this country are also big business and leave a lot to be desired. Doesn't make it right. Take a look at model Wendy and the short write up. This says better what I'm been trying to say:
    http://www.dove.us/#/CFRB/arti_cfrb.aspx[cp-documentid=7049726]/

    (copy and past the entire link of link above to get to the image and write up)

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    5. I've been to the top of a 14,000+ foot peak today with some wonderful images and I'm going to enjoy a glass of Merlot and process my P65 shots.

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    Which one? I'm guessing the clouds were pretty interesting given the pounding we got in Denver.

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    Yes more landscape images sorry couldn't find anyone willing to pose for me (actually really didn't look all that hard). These are from the South Rim, in and around Navajo Point. All taken with the WRS, P45+ and 120mm lens. Please note these are all works in progress as I need a slightly bigger screen to clean all the spots and that'll have to wait till I get home in a couple days.

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    Mt. Evans. no didn't hike this one! Horrendous weather but lots of fun. Narrow road with miles of sheer drop offs, we drove through high wind, rain, sleet, and snow on top. Bristlecone forest at treeline was shrouded in fog. Sunlight broke through a couple of times. Heavy fog driving home on I70 but spectacular dusk over Loveland Pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Green View Post
    Which one? I'm guessing the clouds were pretty interesting given the pounding we got in Denver.
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    Or at least tell us what brand and year of Merlot you were enjoying!
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    Merlot....honestly didn't look, didn't care, but it tasted great! :-) after driving this road all day. beautiful country but really challenging weather. eleanor
    P65+ hand held. One of the few times we had clear driving. Eleanor

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleanorbrown View Post
    As a side note, much of what has influenced me has been knowing my friend, Wendy and her parents for the past 35 plus years. Wendy has become part of the Dove campaign for real beauty and self esteem for women and is a "model" for Dove.
    Here is a makeover movie by Dove which also hammers home the point of how unrealistic our expectations are:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFvLhNWfZU
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