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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    Too much talking and not enough images ...

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Nice shot Kurt!

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I'm really enjoying these images and learning alot from the comments, but I'm often left wondering "what camera, back, lens" etc.

    Just a reminder of Guy's original request re the Fun with MF Images thread "...can we please put Camera , Back and Lens. It helps others see what lenses are doing and systems...."

    Not all of us are fully up to speed on the equipment folks are using....and I know some of you have a closet full of gear to play with!

    Thanks!

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    80mm f2.8, CFV, 205TCC Blad
    part of a defunct seawater pump at the Navy Yard, hidden away in a derelict blockhouse

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Jim, I really enjoy these industrial strength images of yours. It must be nice to have such a target rich environment to shoot.

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    Where is this location, Jim?

    I would love to have such nearby!

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    Jim, I really enjoy these industrial strength images of yours. It must be nice to have such a target rich environment to shoot.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    http://www.brooklynnavyyard.org/bnydc.html

    on the East river in Brooklyn right by the Manhattan bridge

    I have had my shop here for almost 20 years so i have some pull and will probably contribute many images to their archives.

    Fascinating place with a lot of old abandoned buildings. I am always amazed by the colors.

    right now there is a 750ft great lakes freighter awaitng 130 tons of steel repair in the dry docks

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    John, really great images! While it is nice to have a target-rich shooting environment, it still requires the artistic and technical skills to both see and make the images... You have done very well at both
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I sent a note to Terry this morning about going there after lunch on the 17th with everyone but not sure they would let us play around and shoot. Looks like a great place to shoot and John the images you have been shooting are awesome.
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    jack, guy: thanks, i appreciate your comment. and thanks to you and Guy for making the forum a suitable venue for all of us
    Guy: access is unfortunately limited, pm' me
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    A note on color temperature

    I have read on another thread too mentioned, that the color temperature is different in C1 and ACR.

    It may be surprising, but the color temperature and tint are not absolute; 5100 is not always 5100. ACR is transforming the colors from the camera's color space in ProPhoto, etc. based on one or two matrixes. The temperature is relative to these matrixes.

    AFAIK ACR is starting out internally always with "standard light A" and D65, i.e. the camera's calibration is always relative to these two illuminations. The transformation with other temperatures will be interpolated between these.

    For example when converting a Sinar raw file in DNG by Brumbaer and by eXposure, eXposure generates a matrix describing the transformation under D65, while Brumbaer is using D50 (both generate only one matrix). Accordingly, when you process these two DNG files in ACR and pick WB on the very same spot, you get vastly different temperature and tint. Example: 4700, +52 with eXposure, 2700 +5 with Brumbaer.

    (ACR's internal camera calibration is used only when processing the native raw file; when processing a DNG file, these values will be taken from the DNG metadata.)

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panopeeper View Post
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    (ACR's internal camera calibration is used only when processing the native raw file; when processing a DNG file, these values will be taken from the DNG metadata.)
    What happens when the native raw is a DNG?

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    What happens when the native raw is a DNG?
    Then the camera's software (aka firmware) has to insert the color matrix(es) and the respective actual color temperature in the DNG file.

    For example the Leica R8 DMR is generating a native DNG and it includes the color conversion matrix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panopeeper View Post
    A note on color temperature

    I have read on another thread too mentioned, that the color temperature is different in C1 and ACR.

    It may be surprising, but the color temperature and tint are not absolute; 5100 is not always 5100. ACR is transforming the colors from the camera's color space in ProPhoto, etc. based on one or two matrixes. The temperature is relative to these matrixes.

    AFAIK ACR is starting out internally always with "standard light A" and D65, i.e. the camera's calibration is always relative to these two illuminations. The transformation with other temperatures will be interpolated between these.

    For example when converting a Sinar raw file in DNG by Brumbaer and by eXposure, eXposure generates a matrix describing the transformation under D65, while Brumbaer is using D50 (both generate only one matrix). Accordingly, when you process these two DNG files in ACR and pick WB on the very same spot, you get vastly different temperature and tint. Example: 4700, +52 with eXposure, 2700 +5 with Brumbaer.

    (ACR's internal camera calibration is used only when processing the native raw file; when processing a DNG file, these values will be taken from the DNG metadata.)
    with brumbaer it depends on with which temeperature ( in the pulldown menue ) you are saving together with your color kalibration. means: if you make a calibration under overcasted sky ( what i`d recommend ), save this temperature with D65, but try also saving it with D55, which will usally bring good results.
    this color settings ( of the pulldown menue ) determine how ACR will interpretate the color temperature of the embedded matrix.
    look for a setting ( try out different temperatures by saving th matrix with different temp. settings ) which leads to realistic interpretations, which should be in sunlight around 4600 - 5000 K ( and not more than +10 tint ) in ACR.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    More images please!! :-)

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Gorgeous image Gary!
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I agree let's see images. It's so hot here , I just have no desire to deal with the heat , so keep them coming.
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I agree let's see images. It's so hot here , I just have no desire to deal with the heat , so keep them coming.
    Hi Guy,

    Think "Alaska!"......we're still waiting for our "summer" to hit 70 degrees this year. Mostly low 60s so far.

    Here's a winter shot to offer some cooling relief....I just can't turn my eyes away from these old trucks, ships, railroad engines etc.

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    (Would it even be possible for Pentax to modify the P67 to take a MFDB? Probably not....so I've still got my mind focused on a 503CWD II)
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    I've decided to give medium format film a try.

    Negatives developed and scanned by local film developer.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Gorgeous image Gary!
    Thanks Jack.....same to you for those beautiful images of the Sutro ruins.

    I just wish I had that "target rich" environment that John does with the Brooklyn Navy Yard....just my kind of place! Unfortunately, Anchorage doesn't offer much in the way of really old buildings, shipyards etc. After living here for 20+ years, I sometimes feel like I need a set of new eyes to see things fresh that I'm probably overlooking.

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    Hi All,

    This is one of my first test shots using my new H3D 31 and 50-110 lens it was shoot handheld on a pretty average day at iso 400, some post work in CS3 and developed in Phocus 1.0.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

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    Hi All,

    This is one of my first test shots using my new H3D 31 and 50-110 lens it was shoot handheld on a pretty average day at iso 400, some post work in CS3 and developed in Phocus 1.0.
    Very nice!

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    i've been in the navy yard over 20 years, and occasionally went out to take a few shots, but it wasn't until i started with the Blad/CFV that i got inspired. something about that slower process, luscious viewfinder, etc. is much more compelling than peeping though the little hole in a DSLR or worse, a RF, trying to guess the exact FOV, or even worse yet, only using the tiny frameline'd image of the longer lenses

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    No mountains or valley's here in Florida... just have to make do with what's available Playing around with some different processing on this one.
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    One more from the same shoot...

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    David:

    Can't you at least try and find some attractive models to shoot?

    Seriously, I may need to shift my model searches to Florida!

    ,

    PS: no image in your second post...
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    Rodney:

    Nice capture and processing on the flower! I also like your watermark
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    Jack,
    I see the second image... is it still not visible to you. I've shot with Jennifer before and quite agree she's gorgeous, also a sweet old fashioned young lady.

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    David,

    My sympathies on how much you have to suffer to find interesting subjects to shoot.

    It must be terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmsr View Post
    David,

    My sympathies on how much you have to suffer to find interesting subjects to shoot.

    It must be terrible.

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    Ray,
    These models were arranged by Sinar and come free for the life of the back. Don't tell me Phase and Hassy don't have the same thing

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    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Jack,
    I see the second image... is it still not visible to you. I've shot with Jennifer before and quite agree she's gorgeous, also a sweet old fashioned young lady.
    It's there now -- not sure why I couldn't see it before.
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    I did choose them especially for David: he deserves it! Wait for the next ones to come.



    Thierry


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    Ray,
    These models were arranged by Sinar and come free for the life of the back. Don't tell me Phase and Hassy don't have the same thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Ray,
    These models were arranged by Sinar and come free for the life of the back. Don't tell me Phase and Hassy don't have the same thing
    OK - I now officially HATE both you and Thierry!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Ray, as my kids would say... "Don't be hatin'... where's the LOVE

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Yea is that with there hand out no doubt, I have a couple of those kids there hand is turning green. LOL
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    This was taken about 6 months ago, so while now Iceland has about 20 hours of daylight and 4 hours of twilight, it had 20 hours of night and four hours of twilight when I took it.


    Mamiya 7II, 43mm and provia 400F. I forgot my tripod so it was balanced on a rock!

    If you have never seen the aurora, it is worth braving the arctic (or anarctic) winter some day. It is one of the most amazing things you'll ever see. What you cannot convey in a photograph is the way that it moves. It dances and ripples like a flag in the wind.

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    Hopefully next spring workshop in Iceland. I would love to see this in person.
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    Unfortunately Guy, you won't see it in the spring, as it will not be dark enough. Peak time for the aurora is in the late fall to deep winter.

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    Bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    If you have never seen the aurora, it is worth braving the arctic (or anarctic) winter some day. It is one of the most amazing things you'll ever see. What you cannot convey in a photograph is the way that it moves. It dances and ripples like a flag in the wind.
    I'll second that one! I've see the Aurora Borealis many times over the past 20+ years living in Alaska.....at times, it's almost hard to believe it's real.

    I'll never forget one night in particular, I was out with a friend doing some serious star gazing. We had setup two big telescopes on a ridge north of Eagle River, away from the sky glow of Anchorage. The seeing conditions were excellent and we had some great views of galaxies, nebulas, star clusters etc. Then, about midnight, the aurora activity started kicking up. Within 30 minutes, we had to give up the star gazing because the brightness in the sky from the aurora was so powerful, it overwhelmed everything we were trying to see with the telescopes. Eventually, we admitted defeat, enjoyed the dancing light show for awhile longer, then packed up the scopes for the night and headed home.

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    Seeing that is on my Bucket List (btw, great movie for those who haven't seen it). Stuart, if you can't get it with the Mamiya 7ii and 43mm, you can't get it.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    David,
    I am sorry that you are in a scenery challenged zone.
    What is around the corner here:

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Hey Bob... thanks for the condolences, it's something I've learned to live with That's a beautiful capture. I opened it in PS to confirm that you shot it with the P45+ and was playing around with it a bit. It lends itself nicely to several different treatments but I really do like your low contrast rendition. Hope the hand is healing quickly.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Thank you David,
    The hand is doing pretty well, but it is still a bit stiff.
    Just so you know, Phase has the same deal as Sinar, except that their models are not ready yet so they give you this "loaner" to shoot while you wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Thank you David,
    Just so you know, Phase has the same deal as Sinar, except that their models are not ready yet so they give you this "loaner" to shoot while you wait.
    -bob
    Bob, Glad that your hand is healing.

    LANCE - I didn't even get the loaner. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT ???????

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Guys, I was with Lance on Thursday and trust me, he has models... he's just not sharing very well.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    David,
    When you see Lance, tell him that Cynthia has her model preferences too :-)

    And this is my loaner Horseman in my studio with all of my other toys.

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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Bob, LOVE the grist mill image!!! The sculpture a Rodin?
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    Re: Fun with MF images, part 2: What are you shooting with that MF back?

    Thanks Jack,
    Actually that Rodin is a Degas. It is a casting from one of the studio models they found after his death.
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