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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by gdwhalen View Post
    I shot this with the HC 150. H3d-50. Profot 7b-2 battery pack with Profoto zoom reflector.
    Gary,

    The HC 150 gets such short shrift in the line but here you have made such a gorgeous capture. What wonderful framing, and you nailed that moment between anticipation and explosive return.

    Profoto light is amazing. Should be standard on every H3DII...

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Not sure which ones i like better but some P30+ images







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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Not sure which ones i like better but some P30+ images
    Number 3 by far...great light and depth.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Was kinda leaning that way to Bob. Thanks
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    I tried it this way. Is it a yeah or a nay?:

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Gary,

    The HC 150 gets such short shrift in the line but here you have made such a gorgeous capture. What wonderful framing, and you nailed that moment between anticipation and explosive return.

    Profoto light is amazing. Should be standard on every H3DII...

    Bob
    Profoto is worth the money. For sure. Every lens has it's use. 150, 210, whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I tried it this way. Is it a yeah or a nay?:
    Gets my vote!

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    Get's mine too Jack. That is a sweet rendition of it
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    Yosemite cliché...four shot pano...203 FE 50mm CFV.

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    Steve,

    I am picking up a lot of green in this pano. I wonder if a slight curve to lower green values in the granite would work?

    Otherwise a great capture...cliches work when they are of such wonderful subjects...for me at least.

    Bob

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Steve,

    I am picking up a lot of green in this pano. I wonder if a slight curve to lower green values in the granite would work?

    Otherwise a great capture...cliches work when they are of such wonderful subjects...for me at least.

    Bob
    Have to agree with Bob -- looks overly green on my monitor too.
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    I am picking up a lot of green in this pano.
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    Have to agree with Bob -- looks overly green on my monitor too.
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    Thanks for the comments...My "eye" for color isn't that well developed yet (ever?)....Primarily a WB problem, I think..Wiil do more work :>).

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I tried it this way. Is it a yeah or a nay?:

    yay!!

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    Hopefully a little better...in the light of day my previous effort makes me a bit nauseated.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Guy and Jack, those river/tree shots are all dynamite!
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Still playing with the 150 "D" lens - man, it is sharp from edge to edge! These are both at closest focus.
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    Guy: Maybe you missed my post (No.2947) in this thread, in which I'm inquiring you about certain subjective qualities between your present back and the former one. Or perhaps, you already talked about it, but unluckily I missed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsrfun View Post
    Hopefully a little better...in the light of day my previous effort makes me a bit nauseated.

    Steve
    Much more neutral in tone but maybe a bit bright...I liked the contrast of the other a bit more as it seems more dramatic. Just a personal preference and I do feel that this is much closer to reality.

    Very nice.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    Guy: If I can recall well, you sold your P25+ for a P30+. What is your experience doing this change? Weren't you bothered by the smaller groundglass image? Or by the bigger lens image cutoff? What do you find better in the P30? Is really better image quality to have a smaller sensor with more pixels than having a bigger sensor with less pixles?
    Well, sorry for so many questions
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    Great question the big difference between the P25 and P30 was the extra gain in ISO. The crop factor and going to a smaller 6.8 from the 9 micron sensors I gained a lot in the way of moire or should I say the lack of it more. Now what I noticed on the 6 micron P40 it is even less than the 6.8 as well with regard to Moire. Seems the smaller micron backs handle moire better. Now going to a smaller sensor with more pixels I have not found that to be any issues on the quality front and if anything it has improved since we are going up in total MPX so less enlarging of the image as well.

    So making these 22, 31 and 40 MPX jumps has helped overall on the detail front as well. The P40+ has more overall detail than the P30+ but again these MPX jumps you have to be careful they are their for sure in the details but not earth shattering either until you get really big and I mean big. I think you will see this in prints on the larger sized like 30x40 going up maybe even starting bigger. This is something I have not tested but feel very confident they can handle it with no issues.

    Now each back comes newer tech with it and the P40+ with sensor + adds some nice features and I really like this back and for the overall money new out the door of it 19k is not bad at all. It's only real limit is a 1 minute time exposure compared to like the P45 at 1 hour. I would like the P40+myself I feel it is better than my P30+ back but at the same time looking what I just shot I am really lacking nothing per say. If you look at Charlie's P20 shots with his Alpa the detail is just gorgeous and that is 18 mpx. Go figure.
    I think it is safe to say as we go up in size we can get bigger detailed prints as we do that but at the same time some of it gets wasted on use. That's okay though I would rather have the strong file when the need comes up you are not painted in a corner. I have been burned by clients on this making things bigger than anyone ever thought they would do at the time of shooting.
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    Guy: Thanks for this very valuable subjective (and objective)info. I've just read somewhere this guy said that once pixels go below 4 microns, moire will be gone for good. I wonder if this was a scientific fact or just a guess.
    Guy: I'm opening a show tomorrow evening. Can I post the 16 pictures in the Canon forum? I promised Jurgen I would post them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Great question the big difference between the P25 and P30 was the extra gain in ISO. The crop factor and going to a smaller 6.8 from the 9 micron sensors I gained a lot in the way of moire or should I say the lack of it more. Now what I noticed on the 6 micron P40 it is even less than the 6.8 as well with regard to Moire. Seems the smaller micron backs handle moire better. Now going to a smaller sensor with more pixels I have not found that to be any issues on the quality front and if anything it has improved since we are going up in total MPX so less enlarging of the image as well.

    So making these 22, 31 and 40 MPX jumps has helped overall on the detail front as well. The P40+ has more overall detail than the P30+ but again these MPX jumps you have to be careful they are their for sure in the details but not earth shattering either until you get really big and I mean big. I think you will see this in prints on the larger sized like 30x40 going up maybe even starting bigger. This is something I have not tested but feel very confident they can handle it with no issues.

    Now each back comes newer tech with it and the P40+ with sensor + adds some nice features and I really like this back and for the overall money new out the door of it 19k is not bad at all. It's only real limit is a 1 minute time exposure compared to like the P45 at 1 hour. I would like the P40+myself I feel it is better than my P30+ back but at the same time looking what I just shot I am really lacking nothing per say. If you look at Charlie's P20 shots with his Alpa the detail is just gorgeous and that is 18 mpx. Go figure.
    I think it is safe to say as we go up in size we can get bigger detailed prints as we do that but at the same time some of it gets wasted on use. That's okay though I would rather have the strong file when the need comes up you are not painted in a corner. I have been burned by clients on this making things bigger than anyone ever thought they would do at the time of shooting.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Absolutely post them . Love to see them myself.

    Not being the engineer here on sensor design but one has to wonder about getting down to such a low micron count. You would think something would throw a curve ball in their and mess up the works. Anyway the 6 micron seems to be working out for folks also these new backs like the P40 are faster to shoot and have nice ISO levels and the added benefit of sensor plus which I see has some advantage others may not. I think also the P40+ is the new P30 in terms over a great all around back on all levels.

    BTW also some advantage to the crop sensors with some older lens designs that may have soft corners and can now even shoot wider with the crop since it does cut the bad stuff out. This is a benefit to some older Hassy and Mamiya lenses that are more useful.
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    I didn't know the P40+ can only capture up to one minute. I'm interested in those backs from PhaseOne wich can shoot for a lot longer. I just finished this piece of work working with a 5DMkII using up to 5 minute exposures. I'm really happy with the results but as a typical human being, now I want to develop my next project with my 500Cm and a digital back. My possibilities are (I think) a (used, demo,refurbished) P25+ or a P30+. I tend to think my best choice would be the P25+ but I endeslessly hesitate because I´m planning on shooting fashion too. (moire) The crop factor of the P30+ turns me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Absolutely post them . Love to see them myself.

    Not being the engineer here on sensor design but one has to wonder about getting down to such a low micron count. You would think something would throw a curve ball in their and mess up the works. Anyway the 6 micron seems to be working out for folks also these new backs like the P40 are faster to shoot and have nice ISO levels and the added benefit of sensor plus which I see has some advantage others may not. I think also the P40+ is the new P30 in terms over a great all around back on all levels.

    BTW also some advantage to the crop sensors with some older lens designs that may have soft corners and can now even shoot wider with the crop since it does cut the bad stuff out. This is a benefit to some older Hassy and Mamiya lenses that are more useful.

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    Much more neutral in tone but maybe a bit bright...I liked the contrast of the other a bit more as it seems more dramatic.
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Tough call the P25+ is not something I would really recommend for fashion because of the Moire although C1 has tools for it. The P30+ would be the better choice and I shot that as long as 30 minutes with no ill effects. Have to say the crop is not as bad as it seems.

    Here take a look at this. http://www.phaseone.com/Digital-Back...ech-Specs.aspx

    BTW folks C1 Version 5 is released
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    One more 150 D at f2.8!


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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Lake Superior earlier this month.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    One more 150 D at f2.8!
    Keep that up, and you'll have me convinced to keep mine! Very nice image
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    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Bill: i don't see your last two images

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Likewise, Bill. Can't see 'em. But would like to.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Keep that up, and you'll have me convinced to keep mine! Very nice image

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    OT...???

    "A picture of a hunting wolf has won the prestigious Veolia Environment Wildlife Photographer of the Year 2009 award."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8318226.stm

    It is an interesting picture but what caught my eye was that it was shot using a Hassy and ISO 50 Fujichrome which seems a odd combo for night wildlife photography.

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    Maybe no batteries to deal with was the reason. Hmmm Great shot regardless
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    Zabriskie Point late evening, last week. 'blad-CFV

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post
    Likewise, Bill. Can't see 'em. But would like to.
    I tried to post full size images rather than thumbnails - and I guess I didn't do it properly.

    I'll try again.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    If you click on the thumbnail it opens to the size you made. Otherwise to see actually full images like mine posted you have to upload to the gallery copy the direct link code and you will get full size images.

    Bill read this http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    If you click on the thumbnail it opens to the size you made. Otherwise to see actually full images like mine posted you have to upload to the gallery copy the direct link code and you will get full size images.

    Bill read this http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54
    Guy, I'm not getting the thumbs in Bill's post. Just the missing file "?". That's what I was referring to.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Post 2929 I see thumb nails.
    Post 2978 and 2979 I see full images . Now I'm confused . Really not hard to do that actually. LOL

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    2969 is okay on my end, it's 2978 and 2979 that don't show for me (just to clarify).

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Dale , Bill's server went down so that must be the cause.
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    No worries. Just wanted report what was showing (on not showing) here.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Couple from the P30+ with the 45D lens. This lens became pretty popular on the workshop three where purchased.





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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Trying to post a full size image again...seems now I'm getting a thumbnail too!

    Back to the drawing board.
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    Bill must be the 150mm lens it is so sharp the forum can't handle it well. LOL
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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Hi Bill. I see both the full-size image and the thumbnail in the post above. And clicking the thumbnail opens the image on a white background. So you gave us double the pleasure.

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    This is the type of scenery I like to shoot.

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    ...and this is mine


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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Still processing a few from Oregon. Here is one that took some cooking as it was pretty darn foggy and dim when we were there shooting:

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    Nice Jack, I've been waiting for images from this stop to appear. I hope to get to processing mine tomorrow. I've put it off because after looking at them initially I could tell it was going to take some time.

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    Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

    thanks Charlie, looking forward to seeing your version too!
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