Phase will have the uber camera at photokina!
Phase will have the uber camera at photokina!
$17K is a cotton candy wish and a unicorn dream from Leica … Leica is terminally allergic to anything reasonably priced. They move to a different financial drum beat, and folks keep marching to that beat.
IMO, they kept the price down on the new S because it really wasn't that big of an improvement over the S2 … but if they manage a new 50+ meg CMOS S with Live View (at least on the LCD) I seriously doubt it'll dip below $25K.
Meanwhile … the drum beat is picking up elsewhere.
Interesting news indeed - live-view with Phocus (still Firewire, or USB3 too I wonder? - in-back would be nicer still...), multi-shot capability too, higher ISOs, longer shutter speeds.... it all sounds very enticing. I love the 50 back on my Hasselblad, and the camera/lenses, so the CMOS chip will be very tempting especially if it works well on tech cams (miss my Ebony 45SU's movements and seeing it happen).
Only problem is I'm still paying for my H3D-II 50, I can see why this is Dante's realm!
Hasselblad and Phase can go to high ISO capable CMOS sensors all they want, but their cameras, the way they're built now, are never going to be workable solutions for day-long handheld available light photography. Here the DSLR form factor of the Leica S has the advantage.
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Well, I think I can make a prediction about the Pnetax 645DII. It will have a 50MP CMOS sensor, but a cheaper one than both Hasselblad and Phase...
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Pricing of this will almost be as interesting as the tech specs. A lot of people thought that the D800E pricing didn't justify the cost of an IQ180 but not myself. 80MPs gives you a lot to work with. I am finding that being able to crop and still have a large file is one of the biggest advantages of 80MPs. 50MPs versus the recent 36MP cameras is a tough sale no matter how you look at it without some awesome features. I am hoping that the dynamic range is just incredible among other things.
probably won't happen, be nice to be able to use Capture One instead of Phocus
From rumors, it appears that Hasselblad made announcement of an announcement which will happen in March. However Phase One will show a working model on Friday, 01/24!
If anyone really wanted to buy a Hasselblad H4X, I am absolutely sure he would be able to figure out how to do it. In terms of life's challenges, that is not really up there. However, if you do need help, call Steve Hendrix at Capture Integration. They are also brand agnostic and sell everything.
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Quite frankly, I'm more like Graham in a wait and see mode and I'm not as excited over CMOS as others are. I'll wait for the actual working models to get in the hands of photographers. Hey, Graham, two questions: will this be your third MFDB in the Land Rover, and will Dave be delivering the IQ250 to you at CI in Carmel?
I don't think the "live view" potential of a CMOS sensor is going to be this panacea that so many think it will be. Tethered live view---yes, great on a big monitor. But I don't see how the physical limitation of viewing on a relatively small MFDB screen can be overcome. Live View will probably be better but it is still limited by a small screen on either Phase or Hassy MFDBs. And old eyes (the one's who generally can better afford the latest MFDB) aren't getting any better.
The IQ series screens are still the best in the business. And it wasn't so long ago that everyone was clambering to get one. And as is typical in this new technological age, we've become spoiled into expecting more and more and quick to criticize that which was the cat's meow only a year or two prior. I'm sure that Hassy will offer improved screens as well. But both face the same physical limitations outside of tethering to a larger monitor.
Kudos to Hasselblad and Phase for new offerings in medium format digital. But I'd be much more excited about the release of a new Phase Body than a new CMOS MFDB.
p.s. I think Howard is right about the H4x. It probably is the "best" platform. But for those already invested with glass, you're left with the same dilemma as those that jump from Canon to Nikon. All that glass. So we wait...and wait. Photokinia anyone?
It's tricky the way the anno was worded as the first paragraph state "will go on sale" in March, but the last line of the anno state, more info on prices will be available.
You have to wonder if on-sale means ability to order, with lead times of 3 to 4 months?
Not in the market so not that concerned. Only Hassy and few closest customers know for sure.
have you tried the focus with mag feature on the sony and olympus cameras? it is quite confidence building; seems like sony could implement that here as well. not sure how good the LCD is on the blads, of course
It's surprising the low resolution. If they have used the same technology on the
D800 the resolution will be 72Mpixels ( I guess the chip is 48mm x 36mm or so).
It could be that the new sensor center is per pixel dynamic range and high iso. That is an interesting proposal, not from the marketing perspective (they should rock DxO mark) but from a practical stance, since most of the MF shooters that do not care about lower resolution control the light fully.
Hasselblad do have MS for product and architecture but it's not practical for
Let wait and see. They say is going on sale on March. That will be great and could be a reason for ant possible limits in live-view.
Phase one have been very good in restricting Hasselblad access to sensors. They control the blogosphere and the sensor pipeline. This dampers Hasselblad grow potential.
With a level field in terms of sensors, we will stop having a situation of "burro amarrado contra tigre suelto" as we say in spanish.
Notice the PhaseOne do have access to a 50mpixel CMOS new sensor (I guess it's the same).
I hope we get a more dynamic MF space now.
Very keen to see what both Phase One and Hasselblad actually deliver with this new sensor. I'm not in the market for a new back at the moment but a new round of bodies could be of interest and especially if Phase One can deliver a DSLR with some semblance of modern technology and real leaf shutter support to partially catch up with Hasselblad. (Trust me, if I weren't so invested in Phase One lenses I'd have moved to the H system a while ago).
This new sensor really only appeals to me if it supports technical camera use and live view with sufficient quality to focus and adjust tilt/swing untethered in the field. I can however see how it would appeal a lot more to folks needing a more 'dynamic' camera for other uses.
Regarding availability, I always trust in the phrase "When the platinum card drops, the bullshit stops". If they won't take your firm order with a guaranteed delivery date then it's not available.
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Ohh, regarding a new round of bodies: http://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-f...w-p1-body.html
Well, the cat's out of the bag today. The LuLa live view video certainly looked about 1000% better than the current fuzzy live view.
Now to see what the Hasselblad version looks like ...
Now that the veils have all dropped on the Phase IQ250 and we have some idea of whats really under the hood, I figure that the main customer for this sensor will be Pentax; and that Pentax probably drove its development with Sony, with Phase One and Hasselblad anxiously looking over their shoulder. The 44x33 mm size has pedigree in all three systems, but Pentax are much more hardwired to it than the other two, and they sell far more units of that size.
Hasselblad will be putting the sensor in multi shot digital cameras, this will allow them to compite in rational terms even if Pentax and Leica enter the market (cmos medium format) . Now multi shot capabilities are not for all situations. The questions are:
1. Are bigger sensors coming ? (I was hopping a 48 x 36 mm )
2. Will the next generation High resolution cameras from Nikon, Canon and Sony compite?
So adding an MF line might be a bit too much, but then again, it's Sony and they've been known the last couple of years to come up with quite a few surprises.
It should be interesting if Sony decided to take this 33x44 sensor and throw it into a simple camera body with a highly adaptable mount that allows just about any medium format lens (using manual focus.)
Great question, Douglas. The guys over at LuLa are wondering about that too. Especially why they (Sony, Phase) didn't go straight for a stitched D800E/A7R sensor. Perhaps fabrication difficulties, but then again maybe it's just marketing. Make 'm buy the 33 x 44 mm 50 MP now, have 'm upgrade to a 'FF' 75 MP next year.
A super sized A7 that would, with adapters, take Contax, Leica, Phamiya, Pentax, Hasselblad and all forms of medium format lenses would be nice, preferably with AF and fully functional aperture, etc. If Leica can reverse engineer the protocols, surely Sony can too.
I don't care what gear I have.
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I just hope that Hasselblad implements the sensor in a different way to Phase, so that it is optimised to work with Tech cameras or forgoes higher ISOs for better base ISO performance. I guess that could mean getting rid of micro lenses and speccing a different CFA? I don't know and I can't afford either, but it's fun to watch from the sidelines!
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Integrated H camera body.
If venerable H really wants to make a difference, offer live view through the viewfinder too.
p.s. I sense that the most innovative products are where the back maker is more vested in the design of the chip (e.g., Phase with Dalsa and P65+). I just don't see this with the current round of Sony chips sold to Phase and Hasselblad. It's like there is a bit of disconnect going on. Good, but could be better in the implementation (at least on paper).
It might not be Hasselblad's historic take, and I'm not really suggesting they design their back for tech cameras specifically, I guess I'm just holding out hope they have chosen cover glass or CFA options that optimise performance at base ISO. Like Leica who invested in the development of special cover glass and filter arrays for the S and M cameras, I'd love to think Hasselblad had the means to do the same.
I live in hope, is all!
I would venture to say the tech camera part will be offered...if not well disappointing. But more importantly a way to see what the back sees on a very large monitor would be fine with me. I don't care about 800 iso or FPS. Now 1/1600 of a sec sync is another story as is a tilting screen and other improvement to make shooting easier.
Hasselblad does not make tech cameras. Why would they care if their back is optimized for products they don't sell nor support?
IMO, a digiback is the piece of kit with the biggest margin for the manufacturer, isn't it? That's pretty much why Hasselblad closed it's system, because there were way more H bodies and lenses selling w/o their backs, than w/ their backs.
Well, their plan didn't work out, IMO. Phase/Mamiya are still alive.
If they would open up their system again, well...
What do you guys think, will happen?
Hasselblad did not close their system to eliminate their competitions. They did it so they can support their business. If the closed system is making them more money than when it was open, then there is no point in changing. This is simple economics.
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Generally speaking, a company that makes money can support their customers better than one that goes bankrupt. A reason to "close" their system (it was always closed, BTW) could simply be a better way to make better products.
What do you mean with, it was always closed?
They didn't even had a digiback at their H1 launch, just film.
After they were able to offer their own backs, they came up with the closed H3.
That's already a few years back, and i could just be wrong.
But i'm pretty sure that i'm not!
Pretty sure that they closed their H3 to help protect their MFDB business and not for real technical reasons. The shame is that some of us would have bought in to the H system at that time but instead were basically left to either go with an older version or system with questionable support or go Phamiya.
Obviously this was all for commercial reasons and Will may be correct that Hasselblad felt that this would keep them viable but I'd wager that they'd have been better served selling more bodies and lenses and not encouraging Phase One to buy in to Mamiya and teaming with Schneider to assist with lenses.
My $0.02 as a thwarted H buyer a few years back.
Why should Hasselblad think about improving support for cameras they don't sell, i.e. tech cameras? Well, they did after all implement an external battery option with the H5D for shooting with one. Also, wouldn't it be a good selling point? A back that can be used on arguably the best MF platform (H) and is tweaked for great results with technical movements would surely put it ahead of the competition, who is clearly not thinking about this niche segment that finds a home at GetDPI!
Again, all I'm saying is that I live in hope. As a technical camera shooter, I live in hope...