T.Dascalos
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Now... that's a feature worth buying! :deadhorse:
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Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website
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kdphotography
Well-known member
Still cheaper that way than buying an XF with an IQ350 back... :chug:
But Dante approved.
Hi Doug,
Let's review your list.
Also, you can't list the price of the IQ150, but then list advantages that only manifest with the IQ2 or IQ3. If you're going to list those, them you have to throw the prices of those in the ring as well.
The robust rental market is a creation of the fact that MFD gear was so expensive. But with the 645z competing with the likes of the Nikon D4 and Canon 1DX in price, I know MANY are opting to own their own MFD gear via Pentax than to continue to rent. So is the ability to rent Phase One gear REALLY an advantage in today's landscape?
I think Phase One's premiums are insane. But that's just me talking. If you can get it, you'd be insane NOT to do so. My question is for how long can they continue their pricing model? Pentax is the current "problem" for their pricing model as I see it. But the bigger issue, the looming giant IMO is not, Nikon. Not Canon. But Sony. Time will tell.
Let's review your list.
Well, if you want to get into medium format like I did 2 years ago, you have nothing to upgrade from. So you won't be eligible for upgrade pricing. As a company, it seems to me you want to expand your market, not just roll over your current customers. If I'm new to the market, I'm faced with a $30K+ investment vs. an $8000 investment for essentially the exact same imaging capability. At the end of the day, regardless of tethering capabilities and other listed advantages, you end up with an image. When the production of that image is driven by the same engine, well, a $20K+ difference is a tough one to comprehend.
Also, you can't list the price of the IQ150, but then list advantages that only manifest with the IQ2 or IQ3. If you're going to list those, them you have to throw the prices of those in the ring as well.
I have a 645DF, please contact me with what my price on the XF would be. I'm VERY interested in what "significantly less" means.
I hope things are SIGNIFICANTLY better in the AF department because those lenses are practically useless to me when shooting shallow DOF as you have NO idea what the camera to grabbing as a focus point. AT such shallow DOFs it only takes a little bit to be off and have a useless image. My studio photographs people, fashion, models, etc. When I need to shallow DOF image I resort back to me 5D3. I simply cannot trust the 645DF. I PRAY the XF fixes this.
This is super cool. But I have a question about this. Is this just have the IQ3 or will Credo 60 users experience this increased speed as well?
You guys can keep saying this, but I've been making my money photographing people for going on 20 years. While C1 is certainly great, so is Lightroom. My Leaf Credo is a Phase One product, but I still use Lightroom to process as "I" see zero image quality advantages that C1 has and I prefer the Lightroom workflow. My point is I don't consider being able to use C1 a tangible advantage. Pentax users can use LR and not skip a beat.
All of those are awesome. But we have to keep the price difference in mind. Are those advantages worth $500? DEFINITELY! Are they worth $1000? YES! Are they worth $5000? Hmm.... OK, maybe. Are they worth $10000? Now you're smoking something. Are they worth $20,000+ Now that's just crazy talk. Everything is worth something. The issue the the amount. Is Phase One gear worth a premium? I'd say yes. But again, how much of a premium is the question.
The robust rental market is a creation of the fact that MFD gear was so expensive. But with the 645z competing with the likes of the Nikon D4 and Canon 1DX in price, I know MANY are opting to own their own MFD gear via Pentax than to continue to rent. So is the ability to rent Phase One gear REALLY an advantage in today's landscape?
I think Phase One's premiums are insane. But that's just me talking. If you can get it, you'd be insane NOT to do so. My question is for how long can they continue their pricing model? Pentax is the current "problem" for their pricing model as I see it. But the bigger issue, the looming giant IMO is not, Nikon. Not Canon. But Sony. Time will tell.
stephengilbert
Active member
If you really want to know the cost, why not call a dealer?
It seems like these threads always seem to involve people venting about what they don't like.
It seems like these threads always seem to involve people venting about what they don't like.
dougpeterson
Workshop Member
For the 50mp and 60mp models power sharing is the only feature the IQ3 has which the IQ2 does not.
The IQ380 also offers a new Phase One exclusive sensor which provides long exposure capability, which is not available in the IQ280.
dougpeterson
Workshop Member
Re your prayers for better autofocus compared to the DF+...
I suggest you come to one of our Phase One XF Launch Events and see for yourself what the new Honeybee Autofocus system can do:
https://www.digitaltransitions.com/event/training/new-product-events-2015
I suggest you come to one of our Phase One XF Launch Events and see for yourself what the new Honeybee Autofocus system can do:
https://www.digitaltransitions.com/event/training/new-product-events-2015
T.Dascalos
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Ok... no use of your good old back on the new body, no multishot, no film and... no way to use your JAS adapter to share the lenses with your Nikons or Canons...
Gimme a reason why I should change my Contax 645 with Fuji GX680 (contax back fit) combination where I can share my 39mp 4x multishot able back and my other 22mp 16x able (again) multishot back (for 88mp of true color)... Don't tell me "Image quality" to start with.... I'm waiting... :watch:
Forgot anything? ...Oh yeah! ...maybe that superb OTF TTL flash metering of the Contax.
P.S. Don't tell me the WLF either... I had that 12 years ago when sold my Bronica for the Contax (along with the spot metering with WLF)... and long before that with the Bronica.
P.S.-2 And don't mention the JAS adapter either which allows me not to have any 35mm lens either in the (much restricted) bag ....other than my old 17-35/2.8 (for UWs) and micro 85/2.8 PC (for when Fuji is an overkill).
Gimme a reason why I should change my Contax 645 with Fuji GX680 (contax back fit) combination where I can share my 39mp 4x multishot able back and my other 22mp 16x able (again) multishot back (for 88mp of true color)... Don't tell me "Image quality" to start with.... I'm waiting... :watch:
Forgot anything? ...Oh yeah! ...maybe that superb OTF TTL flash metering of the Contax.
P.S. Don't tell me the WLF either... I had that 12 years ago when sold my Bronica for the Contax (along with the spot metering with WLF)... and long before that with the Bronica.
P.S.-2 And don't mention the JAS adapter either which allows me not to have any 35mm lens either in the (much restricted) bag ....other than my old 17-35/2.8 (for UWs) and micro 85/2.8 PC (for when Fuji is an overkill).
stephengilbert
Active member
What're the odds of learning a new word on the 'net?
Derisory: "ridiculously small or inadequate."
Perfect.
Derisory: "ridiculously small or inadequate."
Perfect.
Shashin
Well-known member
A new camera announcement does not mean you need to drop your old system for a new one. Actually, I find it really odd that people look at product announcements as a reason to stop using what they are using, particularly if they are very happy with the camera and satisfied with the results.
T.Dascalos
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Most certainly so... but since one's bread may depend on retaining the use of his backs and C645 is getting older and the system is discontinued... It is reasonable for one looking to change platform for a "live" one... If C645 was "alive" there would be no problem... Don't you agree?
Still, having three bodies (and another for sale) I'm not in a rush... even hope for one to resurrect the system! Otherwise it will be H-platform... not P1!
GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
+1 :thumbs:
Last I checked, my current gear is all working just fine. The limiting factor to my photography stares me back in the mirror ... :facesmack:
(However, being realistic that never stopped me from lusting over new gear anyways!!)
GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
Err, no.
Seems to me that you're already happy with what you have so why change?
:facesmack:
GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
Well, it's better than paying $8k and having a camera body gathering dust that you'll like never use again ... Plus, realistically how much did you pay for your DF+ body? In a bundle they're not much more than that and I really don't think that Phase One sold many as straight sales at $6k anyways.
That said, I do think that a DF+ should be worth a premium over a DF!
kdphotography
Well-known member
I can't remember the last time Canon gave me a trade in for a camera body....
Oh wait! They never have! :facesmack:
Oh wait! They never have! :facesmack:
Because I already did with other dealers. I wanted to know what Digital Transitions was offering to see if it was universal (it is not) AND I figured I wasn't the only one who wanted to know. THAT'S why I asked.
With regard to venting, heck yes! I plead guilty. We're talking about a lot of money and when things seem skewed I'm going to air my opinion. Doug gave a list that should be scrutinized. If people want to swallow whatever Phase is pushing without examination, so be it. But that's not me