Site Sponsors
Page 13 of 30 FirstFirst ... 3 11 12 13 14 15 23 ... LastLast
Results 601 to 650 of 1457

Thread: Hasselblad X1D

  1. #601
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    252
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    I do not do the kind of imaging that requires or benefits from LS...
    Pradeep,

    Clearly each of has different thoughts on the "best " camera for our purposes, but I think LS lenses are a plus for landscape shooting, since they are less likely to cause/contribute to camera shake. When locked down on a tripod, this may not be as much of an issue, but I would still opt for less movement/vibration within the camera. I am not a proponent of handheld landscape work, but if necessary (limited time, rapidly changing light, moving platform) I would opt for LS to increase the possibility of a usable image. Having said that, I admit to currently shooting LS lenses, so I am probably biased...

    John

  2. #602
    Senior Member ErikKaffehr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Nyköping Sweden
    Posts
    922
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Hi,

    Shutter shock is more of a problem when shooting on tripod. On free hand one would probably use short exposure times and the hand probably dampens vibrations pretty well. On a DSLR, MF or not, the swinging mirror is the main cause of vibration. Shutter shock can be eliminated by an electronic first shutter curtain.

    Obviously, the X1D has no issues with vibrations.

    Depending on how well the X1D is designed it may be a pretty decent landscape camera.

    Best regards
    Erik


    Quote Originally Posted by sc_john View Post
    Pradeep,

    Clearly each of has different thoughts on the "best " camera for our purposes, but I think LS lenses are a plus for landscape shooting, since they are less likely to cause/contribute to camera shake. When locked down on a tripod, this may not be as much of an issue, but I would still opt for less movement/vibration within the camera. I am not a proponent of handheld landscape work, but if necessary (limited time, rapidly changing light, moving platform) I would opt for LS to increase the possibility of a usable image. Having said that, I admit to currently shooting LS lenses, so I am probably biased...

    John

  3. #603
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    iiiNelson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Texas/California/North Carolina
    Posts
    2,774
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    Agree partially, and I've said all along that the X1D is a big leap forward, offering a big MF sensor in a small body. But we don't really know the exact UI yet. From everything I've read people are still wondering if the AF point can be moved or not, so the actual functionality of the camera is yet to be determined. I will grant you that Sony could definitely improve upon their own system in this regard.
    FYI.

    There was mention in one interview with Hasselblad engineers that flexible spot AF (as its called on Sony) will be available in the X1D. This makes up (if executed well) for the lack of them implementing their True Focus system into the camera. It's not present on the preproduction cameras used for hands on demo's yet but they expect it to be completed by the time the first bodies ship or shortly thereafter through a firmware update.
    Priolite Ambassador | Sony Visible Light & IR Photographer
    http://www.iiinelsonimages.com

  4. #604
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    1,586
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Since I had a comparable sensor camera to the Pentax 645Z, I'll disagree with you that they did a better job. While it was a terrific kit for some folks, and certainly broke the price grip of the major MFD players (thank you Pentax!), the 645Z was a non-modular system at a time when modularity was a real advantage. Both Hasselblad and Phase One were more fleshed out systems cameras.- Marc
    We all have our opinions, but someone who's words I have respected for years was Michael Reichmann's and in his Lula September 2014 article (maybe 2015) he emphasized what many continue to infer here. He wrote that of the 3 manufactureres using the Sony 51MP sensor at that time, Pentaz seems to have perfected its use better than the rest.

  5. #605
    Senior Member ErikKaffehr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Nyköping Sweden
    Posts
    922
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Hi,

    I don't know about the 44x33 mm sensor but the A7rII does electronic first curtain at 14-bits. Silent shutter is 12-bits, but silent shutter has no real advantage over EFSC. To begin with, silent shutter is very slow. But it is silent. No moving parts.

    You may also ask if cameras are image making devices or playthings? It is quite true that Sony's menu system is a mess, but you can have a pair of presets and you can assign almost any button to almost any shurtcut. Whatever camera you use, you need to learn to configure it. Once you have done it will work for you.

    I never had a Fuji, so i don't know about that. I do have a P45+ and a bunch of Sony cameras.

    Best regards
    Erik



    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    People speculate that Fuji will use the same sensor and have an electronic shutter of PDAF or whatever, but the fact of the matter is the chip does not support it without dropping to 12bit or, in the case of PDAF, without significant changes to its design. Are people suggesting that they'll get a completely new sensor, or what?

    I don't know what the fuss is about with regards to Fuji mirrorless cameras. I've tried to use them and by my own (admittedly very personal) measures they're horrible. Not in terms of end image quality, but the handling and UI. The only thing I liked about them was manual aperture ring and shutter speed dial. And I'm with others here with regards to the Sony mirrorless cameras. Great tools, but I found them a chore to pick up and use, for the most part due to UI.

  6. #606
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    313
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    5

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    We all have our opinions, but someone who's words I have respected for years was Michael Reichmann's and in his Lula September 2014 article (maybe 2015) he emphasized what many continue to infer here. He wrote that of the 3 manufactureres using the Sony 51MP sensor at that time, Pentaz seems to have perfected its use better than the rest.
    Personally, I would take Marc's opinion one hundred times over MR.
    Likes 4 Member(s) liked this post

  7. #607
    Senior Member ErikKaffehr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Nyköping Sweden
    Posts
    922
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Hi,

    That was than and we have here and now. Pentax has some contemporary DSLRs and they can use that technology for their MFD offerings.

    But, the X1D is a mirrorless design using contrast detecting AF, very different from the Pentax 645Z. So we need to compare the X1D on it's own merits. Right now, there is only one fully integrated mirrorless MFD camera and that is the Hasselblad X1D. It may get some competition, there are some rumours but we don't know.

    The X1D has a few features the Pentax 645Z lacks:

    • It is mirrorless and therefore compact.
    • It has leaf shutter.
    • It has a nameplate saying Hasselblad.
    • It has 2-3 purpose built lenses for mirrorless.


    Best regards
    Erik




    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    We all have our opinions, but someone who's words I have respected for years was Michael Reichmann's and in his Lula September 2014 article (maybe 2015) he emphasized what many continue to infer here. He wrote that of the 3 manufactureres using the Sony 51MP sensor at that time, Pentaz seems to have perfected its use better than the rest.

  8. #608
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    276
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    From everything I've read people are still wondering if the AF point can be moved or not, so the actual functionality of the camera is yet to be determined.
    It can.

  9. #609
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    k-hawinkler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    The "Land of Enchantment"
    Posts
    2,542
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by ErikKaffehr View Post
    Hi,

    I don't know about the 44x33 mm sensor but the A7rII does electronic first curtain at 14-bits. Silent shutter is 12-bits, but silent shutter has no real advantage over EFSC. To begin with, silent shutter is very slow. But it is silent. No moving parts.

    You may also ask if cameras are image making devices or playthings? It is quite true that Sony's menu system is a mess, but you can have a pair of presets and you can assign almost any button to almost any shurtcut. Whatever camera you use, you need to learn to configure it. Once you have done it will work for you.

    I never had a Fuji, so i don't know about that. I do have a P45+ and a bunch of Sony cameras.

    Best regards
    Erik

    But it does - if you don't want to scare away birds and such.
    With best regards, K-H.
    Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked for this post
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  10. #610
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    12,724
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    40

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    But it does - if you don't want to scare away birds and such.
    People too. Absolutely fantastic.
    Sale Items (http://www.getdpi.com/forum/gear-fs-...8806-sale.html)
    Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked for this post
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  11. #611
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    k-hawinkler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    The "Land of Enchantment"
    Posts
    2,542
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    People too. Absolutely fantastic.
    Thanks Vivek. Oh so true.
    For example my two young granddaughters stop paying attention to me and the camera if they don't notice any sounds coming from the camera.
    Together with Eye-AF that's just magical!
    With best regards, K-H.

  12. #612
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    461
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    FYI.

    There was mention in one interview with Hasselblad engineers that flexible spot AF (as its called on Sony) will be available in the X1D. This makes up (if executed well) for the lack of them implementing their True Focus system into the camera. It's not present on the preproduction cameras used for hands on demo's yet but they expect it to be completed by the time the first bodies ship or shortly thereafter through a firmware update.
    Thanks, yes, I did read that. My point was it was not something mentioned earlier meaning the UI is not yet completely detailed since nobody has really used the camera properly. Hence it is a bit premature to say it will be perfect. I agree though that in all probability it will be more user friendly than Sony's interface.

    FWIW, I gave up on Fuji a few years ago because I couldn't work with their UI although many swear by it.
    Too much to list, let's just say I have a bad case of GAS.........

  13. #613
    Senior Member David Schneider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    New Jersey, USA
    Posts
    509
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by jerome_m View Post
    Why would Fuji come along a MF camera? Sure, they had some in their film days, but the question is: why would they develop a MF camera now? Their X-series of cameras is doing very well, I would rather expect them to continue investing in that direction.
    I guess the simple reason is Fuji is a large company not dependent on the success of their imaging division for financial security. In addition, the company seems to allow the imaging division to develop lines that may or may not be successful. So Fuji could develop an MFD line and if it didn't work they could let it go. (Think the Fuji dslr line.) That fact that they have done well and advanced mirrorless so far makes them more likely to do it, but doesn't guarantee they would.

    As for their mirrorless line, they will probably stay with the 24mp sensor for sometime to come (unless they are going to start manufacturing their own sensors). They have developed a good number of lenses and there aren't that many more they will come out with that aren't on the drawing board already. So maybe they might look at the MFD market and feel they can expand it by taking more business away from Canon and Nikon by surrounding them with the X-Series on the small sensor end and a MFD line on the larger side making the dslr market sandwiched in the middle with fewer advantages for purchasers all the time.

  14. #614
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,388
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by ErikKaffehr View Post

    You may also ask if cameras are image making devices or playthings? It is quite true that Sony's menu system is a mess, but you can have a pair of presets and you can assign almost any button to almost any shurtcut. Whatever camera you use, you need to learn to configure it. Once you have done it will work for you.


    Best regards
    Erik
    Yet, there is such a thing as good user design and ergonomics that promotes less involvement with the camera when exploring various creative ideas or visions.

    I've quipped to friends that I need to tattoo the Sony manual on my arm so I can control the damned thing when in the throes of shooting … where I'm more interested in what the subject is doing or what is happening with the light. It is as if a lawyer wrote the interface, subchapter-interface, sub-annotation interface, for Sony I'm surprised there aren't asterisks* on menu items.

    It's a dog's breakfast no matter how you configure it or assign short-cuts. I've never used a camera so demanding or requiring as much attention … it's a needy little brat IMO.

    If we keep on excusing Sony and giving them a pass, they'll never change anything.

    IMHO.

    - Marc

  15. #615
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    155
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    It's a dog's breakfast no matter how you configure it or assign short-cuts. I've never used a camera so demanding or requiring as much attention … it's a needy little brat IMO.

    If we keep on excusing Sony and giving them a pass, they'll never change anything.

    IMHO.

    - Marc
    what did you aspect ? a camera with more advanced feauters and options than all generations before ? of course this is a complex camera and you need more time
    to learn it. but if you use it on a regularly base and not just every few weeks is is NOT that difficult to master. this ongoing lament tells more
    about the user than the camera.

  16. #616
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    709
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    I've never been interested in rubbing my stomach and patting my head.
    http://www.keithlaban.co.uk
    Likes 2 Member(s) liked this post

  17. #617
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    461
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by sc_john View Post
    Pradeep,

    Clearly each of has different thoughts on the "best " camera for our purposes, but I think LS lenses are a plus for landscape shooting, since they are less likely to cause/contribute to camera shake. When locked down on a tripod, this may not be as much of an issue, but I would still opt for less movement/vibration within the camera. I am not a proponent of handheld landscape work, but if necessary (limited time, rapidly changing light, moving platform) I would opt for LS to increase the possibility of a usable image. Having said that, I admit to currently shooting LS lenses, so I am probably biased...

    John

    Hi John:

    Frankly, I've never faced the 'shutter shock' issue in any of the digital cameras I've used in the past 15 yrs except the A7R at shutter speeds of between 1/150 to 1/250 (roughly speaking). The only LS lenses I've used have been the Phase 80, 75-150 and the 240mm so my experience is rather limited. I didn't see that they offered anything extra though, maybe it was the camera, I don't know. All I can say is that for about a fifth of the price I got a more efficient and better system with the Pentax.

    As far as mirrorless is concerned, I always do my landscape imaging with the mirror up and locked so it doesn't matter either. The big advantage of mirrorless as in Sony is the size and the ability to use ANY lens with an adapter. I've even put my Canon 600 f4 MkII on it just for kicks and gotten tack sharp images. Heck, I used a Nikon 14-24 with a Nikon to Canon to Sony adapter for landscape photography in Iceland. Totally manual but the results were great.

    People beat down on Sony for their UI and other issues. From where I am coming, I would say that the A7R and its successor have been revolutionary cameras in so many ways. That was one of the most innovative developments in the world of digital imaging.
    Too much to list, let's just say I have a bad case of GAS.........
    Likes 3 Member(s) liked this post

  18. #618
    Subscriber and Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    2,507
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by CSP View Post
    ... but if you use it on a regularly base and not just every few weeks is is NOT that difficult to master. this ongoing lament tells more
    about the user than the camera.
    Tread lightly and it might behoove you to know your audience ....

    Marc is a highly respected wedding photographer who probably puts more mileage on his cameras in a month than I will on mine in a lifetime. His
    suggestions and technique are usually worth deep consideration and many of us have incorporated them in our photography.

    So truly his lament is based on a fairly deep understanding of complexity and elegance .... the second rather lacking in Sony's implementation of
    user interface.


    Just saying ....


    Bob
    Thanks 2 Member(s) thanked for this post
    Likes 3 Member(s) liked this post

  19. #619
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    12,724
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    40

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post

    People beat down on Sony for their UI and other issues. From where I am coming, I would say that the A7R and its successor have been revolutionary cameras in so many ways. That was one of the most innovative developments in the world of digital imaging.
    Totally agree. Those who complain never took these cameras seriously enough to spend some time to understand what they are capable of.
    Sale Items (http://www.getdpi.com/forum/gear-fs-...8806-sale.html)
    Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked for this post
    Likes 3 Member(s) liked this post

  20. #620
    Subscriber and Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    2,507
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    Hi John:

    Frankly, I've never faced the 'shutter shock' issue in any of the digital cameras I've used in the past 15 yrs except the A7R at shutter speeds of between 1/150 to 1/250 (roughly speaking).
    Hi Pradeep,


    I have to interject a personal reflection on vibration and its deleterious effects ...

    I have seen it with the Pentax 67 and with my Leica S-2P .... it ruined a bunch of irreplaceable shots early in the morning near a small lake in Texas. I was
    attempting to photograph a very shy heron that was stalking near the far shore in gorgeous light. Mirror up 2 second delay on monopod ... Leica S-2P
    and a Pentax M* 300 with adapter. Nailed the exposure and from the back screen looked like I had some wonderful captures. At home in LR it was evident
    that the shutter had in effect compromised most of the pictures. The Leica S has a weird system where even if you use a leaf shutter lens the focal plane shutter
    is used prior to the LS. My experience with my Mamiya 7II and Hasselblad H2, H3DII 39 and Alpa TC with leaf shutter lenses has been wonderful ... handheld at ridiculously
    slow shutter speeds with no movement.

    So I look forward to X1D lenses ... also much easier to dust and clean the sensor that is not buried deep in the body.


    One of the few pictures I salvaged with shake reduction in PS :



    Leica S-2P Pentax P67 300 EDIF M*









    Bob
    Thanks 2 Member(s) thanked for this post
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  21. #621
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,388
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by CSP View Post
    what did you aspect ? a camera with more advanced feauters and options than all generations before ? of course this is a complex camera and you need more time
    to learn it. but if you use it on a regularly base and not just every few weeks is is NOT that difficult to master. this ongoing lament tells more
    about the user than the camera.


    - Marc
    Likes 3 Member(s) liked this post

  22. #622
    Subscriber and Workshop Member MGrayson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    1,316
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    4

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    All threads lead to Sony

    The A7 series is astonishingly capable. I dislike only two things about it: the UI and the supercilious response to anyone who dislikes the UI.

    --Matt
    Likes 9 Member(s) liked this post

  23. #623
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Massachusetts and Vermont
    Posts
    509
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    All threads lead to Sony

    The A7 series is astonishingly capable. I dislike only two things about it: the UI and the supercilious response to anyone who dislikes the UI.

    --Matt
    +1
    hcubell
    www.howardcubell.com
    Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked for this post
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  24. #624
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    Godfrey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Near San Jose, California
    Posts
    7,529
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    I see there's not much new info on the Hasselblad X1D to chat about...

    G
    Godfrey - GDGPhoto Flickr Stream
    Likes 6 Member(s) liked this post

  25. #625
    Senior Member ErikKaffehr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Nyköping Sweden
    Posts
    922
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Hi,

    I am not defending Sony's menu system or user interface.

    What I do say is that if you use a tool you need to learn how to make best use of it. For my part, I assigned those functions I often use to two presets, one for free hand and another for tripod based use. I have done that since Konica-Minolta days.

    Next I put those functions I often need to select on programable buttons, there are plenty of those. In addition there are 12 items accessible trough the function menu, I use some of that, too.

    I certainly feel that the menu system is a mess. If I want to change a setting I often need to go trough all items. But I almost never go into those menus.

    I have not a lot of experience with other cameras, I have used Konica-Minolta, Sony, a few Canon compacts and a very mechanical Hasselblad with a P45+.

    Anyway I seriously feel that anyone using an advanced system, that any camera really is, should invest the time to configure it for their needs.

    Presets are essential for that. They take the camera to a known state at a flick of a switch.

    Best regards
    Erik




    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Yet, there is such a thing as good user design and ergonomics that promotes less involvement with the camera when exploring various creative ideas or visions.

    I've quipped to friends that I need to tattoo the Sony manual on my arm so I can control the damned thing when in the throes of shooting … where I'm more interested in what the subject is doing or what is happening with the light. It is as if a lawyer wrote the interface, subchapter-interface, sub-annotation interface, for Sony I'm surprised there aren't asterisks* on menu items.

    It's a dog's breakfast no matter how you configure it or assign short-cuts. I've never used a camera so demanding or requiring as much attention … it's a needy little brat IMO.

    If we keep on excusing Sony and giving them a pass, they'll never change anything.

    IMHO.

    - Marc

  26. #626
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,530
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    I have no issues with my Sony gear once you really get used to it. I turn a lot of stuff off or I have it configured pretty well now. But I will say it takes time and patience to get this system down to not thinking about it and get out of my way.

    Frankly I even think this Hassy will be loaded for bear too. Maybe better organized and all that but I think it still will have a lot of optional stuff. It has four Custom buttons let's see if we can change them to whatever we want and customize it some. Sony left about 4 things out of the FN or Custom buttons that drive me back to the menu.

    Crop mode
    Live view on/off
    Review On/Off
    Format

    The first three I could really use in the FN . I'm sure we may hit some of this with the Hassy , will see. But I honestly don't consider my Sony a cluster ****. It's disorganized and I would love someone to develop a software program on our computers and let us set it up whichever way we want save and transfer to camera those settings. That would be a ideal solution plus you have those settings for other backups.

    And if anyone is listening I would pay a 100 bucks for that software in a NY second.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  27. #627
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    313
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    5

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Let me see. I'm getting pretty old and forgetful, so I'm wondering why I ended up on this Sony thread. Oh yes, now I see, this is the X1D thread. Whew, I thought I was really losing it.
    Likes 3 Member(s) liked this post

  28. #628
    Senior Member ErikKaffehr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Nyköping Sweden
    Posts
    922
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Hi,

    I would like to have "live view display -> effect setting [off][on] on a custom key, just for instance. Cannot do it...

    Yes, it would be really neat to be able to configure the camera from a computer.

    On of the problems is that there are so many settings. So it is seldom that I want to change one of the 150 settings on the camera. What I want to do is to take the camera to a well defined state and change a few settings. Presets are good for that.

    Best regards
    Erik




    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Crop mode
    Live view on/off
    Review On/Off
    Format

    The first three I could really use in the FN . I'm sure we may hit some of this with the Hassy , will see. But I honestly don't consider my Sony a cluster ****. It's disorganized and I would love someone to develop a software program on our computers and let us set it up whichever way we want save and transfer to camera those settings. That would be a ideal solution plus you have those settings for other backups.

    And if anyone is listening I would pay a 100 bucks for that software in a NY second.

  29. #629
    Senior Member ErikKaffehr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Nyköping Sweden
    Posts
    922
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Hi,

    It may be that many of those interested in/impressed by the X1D are Sony shooters. Probably not many D1X shooters around, as the camera is not released and much of the functionality has not yet been implemented.

    Many of those users don't like some (or most) parts of the Sony feature set but still use it, possibly because it does the job.

    In a way, the A7rII and the X1D have a lot in common:

    • They are the only large sensor and fully integrated mirrorless cameras right now.
    • Both use Sony sensors, X1D uses 50 MP 44x33mm and Sony 42 MP 36x24mm.

    With the cameras being close in format size and sensor technology, comparison between the two is quite natural.

    Best regards
    Erik


    Quote Originally Posted by BANKER1 View Post
    Let me see. I'm getting pretty old and forgetful, so I'm wondering why I ended up on this Sony thread. Oh yes, now I see, this is the X1D thread. Whew, I thought I was really losing it.

  30. #630
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Eads, Tennessee
    Posts
    834
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    Hi John:

    Frankly, I've never faced the 'shutter shock' issue in any of the digital cameras I've used in the past 15 yrs except the A7R at shutter speeds of between 1/150 to 1/250 (roughly speaking). The only LS lenses I've used have been the Phase 80, 75-150 and the 240mm so my experience is rather limited. I didn't see that they offered anything extra though, maybe it was the camera, I don't know. All I can say is that for about a fifth of the price I got a more efficient and better system with the Pentax.
    Actually by the time you get to the shutter speeds you mention the issue has been mostly eliminated. The real culprit speeds are between 1/10 and 1/100. Its really moot at this point since Sony has addressed this issue. But I've experienced the dreaded shutter shock on numerous expensive camera bodies including the Phase 645 DF, Alpa FPS. The Alpa went back within 72 hours and I refused to shoot the Phase..... just sat on a shelf and was finally traded in on a Leaf CMOS back. I don't know what to say to anyone that says they have 'never seen' this issue but its simply a matter of physics and extremely difficult to mitigate. I shoot exclusively with Copal shutters now and I have all but eliminated this issue but that's not to say that someone with an atomic vibration sensor couldn't detect something. My biggest enemy is 'Wind'.

    Victor
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  31. #631
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,530
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Agree , Sony is very close to the new Hassy and vice versa. They both represent some of the best in mirror less and what many shooters are looking for in the Hassy is what advantage we can get moving to a mirror less MF system . There are certain feature sets on the Sony that many are hoping it comes on the Hassy. As mentioned I want those 4 custom buttons to user adjustable with a great selection of options. It don't have it than I'll put my 14 grand somewhere else, it's just that simple. So it's very natural to see what feature sets come in on the Hassy. I think it's fair that we talk about this as we are not here trying say well my camera eats yours for breakfast. I have not seen that crap yet and when I do I'll change the tone of this thread and honestly if someone does not like it than change the channel. I'm sick of playing this game folks this is adult site with much to offer each other. If it starts smelling bad I'll change the direction but I think we keep everything in prespective it's perfectly fine. Snide comments keep to yourself. This is supposed to be fun. Yes I'm getting old and grumpy too. Lol
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com
    Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked for this post
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  32. #632
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    709
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    I'm spoilt by choice.

    Give me a few - very few - dedicated dials and buttons and I'm a happy bunny.

  33. #633
    Subscriber & Workshop Member GrahamWelland's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Vancouver, WA
    Posts
    5,425
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    539

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Some informative youtube videos out there:

    X1D Introduction
    BH Photo 1D First Look
    Ylem ...
    Thanks 3 Member(s) thanked for this post

  34. #634
    Senior Member Chris Giles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Brighton
    Posts
    337
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    What really hacks me off are cameras without a joystick to select the AF point.

    Totally disrupts the flow of a shoot. It's what stops me from giving more time to mirrorless as an option for weddings.
    Chris Giles Photography
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  35. #635
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    155
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    What really hacks me off are cameras without a joystick to select the AF point.

    Totally disrupts the flow of a shoot. It's what stops me from giving more time to mirrorless as an option for weddings.
    i forced myself to use the control dials instead of the tiny control wheel on my sony to move the af point. for my big hands this works far better and is more reliable.
    after some time it became routine but the real fun with this cameras is face and eye detection. i have to confess it took me some time to trust this function but know i can say
    the focus achieved this way is far more accurate even under difficult lighting than a single af point ! hope hasselblad is able to implement this kind of technology.

  36. #636
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Hamburg/Beijing
    Posts
    179
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Wow people are still talking about this game changer?

  37. #637
    Subscriber & Workshop Member GrahamWelland's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Vancouver, WA
    Posts
    5,425
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    539

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Until I've got one, we can only talk about it
    Ylem ...

  38. #638
    Member modator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Northern Italy
    Posts
    117
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    30

    Question Re: Hasselblad X1D

    I would like to spend some words about X1D too...

    1) At all it's not portable:
    also with the 45mm lens it have the size/weight of a FF camera plus a zoom lens.
    2) Adapting HC lens is possible but the balance is tremendous:
    accepting that the adapter is a tube 52mm long only the HC 80mm / HC 100mm are hand held usable, the heavier 50, 120, 210 require a tripod adapter or some handling device to obtain a proper balance of the camera / lens, the 300mm only on a tripod, the wide angle from 35 to 24mm are heavier too..

    3) Nitto lens what they are ?
    I don't know nothing about this company, why hasselblad had choose them instead od Fuji is a mystery !

    I use the 50c sensor since the beginning and I'm very happy with it is a good performer, but 50m pixel in 44x33 mm means it's a very dense sensor, to squeeze the quality from such beast the sensor is only a part of the chain, to make outdoor photos I opted for a serie 5 gitzo GT5562GTS tripod with arca C1 cube on it, that's 4,6Kg only and to shoot I use mirror up, tethering etc to be sure no vibration compromise such high resolution.
    With a tripod setup I'm around 30% perfect result and 50% acceptable, the other 50% is blurred...
    I figure out that X1C is the same, so using hand held for casual / street photo with all the compromises can lead in blurred photo at very high percentage.

    I'm thinking for who is made this camera ?

    Before the presentation I was wondering they go in this direction but plus Image stabilization and pixel shift multi-shot etc like Pentax K1, this X1D without any stabilization is less usable than a H5 / H6 camera.

    I'm waiting to read the first impression of true user.....

    Domenico.

  39. #639
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    iiiNelson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Texas/California/North Carolina
    Posts
    2,774
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by modator View Post
    I would like to spend some words about X1D too...

    1) At all it's not portable:
    also with the 45mm lens it have the size/weight of a FF camera plus a zoom lens.
    2) Adapting HC lens is possible but the balance is tremendous:
    accepting that the adapter is a tube 52mm long only the HC 80mm / HC 100mm are hand held usable, the heavier 50, 120, 210 require a tripod adapter or some handling device to obtain a proper balance of the camera / lens, the 300mm only on a tripod, the wide angle from 35 to 24mm are heavier too..

    3) Nitto lens what they are ?
    I don't know nothing about this company, why hasselblad had choose them instead od Fuji is a mystery !

    I use the 50c sensor since the beginning and I'm very happy with it is a good performer, but 50m pixel in 44x33 mm means it's a very dense sensor, to squeeze the quality from such beast the sensor is only a part of the chain, to make outdoor photos I opted for a serie 5 gitzo GT5562GTS tripod with arca C1 cube on it, that's 4,6Kg only and to shoot I use mirror up, tethering etc to be sure no vibration compromise such high resolution.
    With a tripod setup I'm around 30% perfect result and 50% acceptable, the other 50% is blurred...
    I figure out that X1C is the same, so using hand held for casual / street photo with all the compromises can lead in blurred photo at very high percentage.

    I'm thinking for who is made this camera ?

    Before the presentation I was wondering they go in this direction but plus Image stabilization and pixel shift multi-shot etc like Pentax K1, this X1D without any stabilization is less usable than a H5 / H6 camera.

    I'm waiting to read the first impression of true user.....

    Domenico.
    1) There are sites where you can compare the size and is say that the X1D is fairly portable being that it's only slightly larger than a Leica M240. The lens filter size is 67mm which is the same size at the 25 or 85 Batis lenses. Neither of them are very large or unwieldy lenses.

    2) Agreed that the primary benefit to adapting HC/HCD lenses is for specialized use until more lenses are released. For this reason I can see the value in the 100/2.2 for portraits.

    3) Nittoh made the lenses for the much heralded XPan camera. Few complain about the quality and I imagine manufacturing in the Nittoh plant was done to control costs while still meeting Hasselblad's standard.

    I don't know what Fuji's manufacturing capacity is or if it were even an option for Hasselblad to use them with the X-system being successful in the camera market. Even still, they use Sonybto manufacture sensors and other companies to manufacture the glass used in lenses. It's just the way things are.

    4) There's no mirror to lock up. There are smaller sensors with 50mp and even smaller sensors with higher pixel density. It's very possible that with higher shutter speed use and leaf shutters that image sharpness will be controlled.

    This is something we will learn in time.
    Priolite Ambassador | Sony Visible Light & IR Photographer
    http://www.iiinelsonimages.com

  40. #640
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    266
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    I'm very happy that Hasselblad decided to build this camera. I plan on pre-ordering it. It's a bit risky without knowing how it handles but it's a risk I'm willing to take for the portability it offers.

    Ever since shooting with the 645Z, I've been spoiled by the sensor. Yes, one can extract results that are very close with the D810 and A7RII. However, I find the files from the 645Z "richer" and easy to print for me.

    However, I'm definitely keeping the S for the incredible viewfinder and 100mm lens. So many great choices, it's difficult to go wrong. It's way easier to find faults with any camera or system though.

  41. #641
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    461
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Hi Pradeep,


    I have to interject a personal reflection on vibration and its deleterious effects ...

    I have seen it with the Pentax 67 and with my Leica S-2P .... it ruined a bunch of irreplaceable shots early in the morning near a small lake in Texas. I was
    attempting to photograph a very shy heron that was stalking near the far shore in gorgeous light. Mirror up 2 second delay on monopod ... Leica S-2P
    and a Pentax M* 300 with adapter. Nailed the exposure and from the back screen looked like I had some wonderful captures. At home in LR it was evident
    that the shutter had in effect compromised most of the pictures. The Leica S has a weird system where even if you use a leaf shutter lens the focal plane shutter
    is used prior to the LS. My experience with my Mamiya 7II and Hasselblad H2, H3DII 39 and Alpa TC with leaf shutter lenses has been wonderful ... handheld at ridiculously
    slow shutter speeds with no movement.

    So I look forward to X1D lenses ... also much easier to dust and clean the sensor that is not buried deep in the body.


    One of the few pictures I salvaged with shake reduction in PS :



    Leica S-2P Pentax P67 300 EDIF M*









    Bob
    Beautiful image, Bob. Love the B&W treatment on it.

    Yes, I agree shutter or other camera vibration can ruin a terrific shot, just like any sudden movement in the vehicle can during a wildlife shoot. It is an even bigger problem with heavy equipment that is harder to hold steady without a tripod. Thing is, in the field MF does not do very well (although I've had reasonable success with the Pentax as I have posted here before). LS lenses are at present only confined to MF systems (AFAIK).

    Here are two images I took back to back, the first is ruined by the idiotic woman in the vehicle with me who moved without warning. Fortunately I was able to take another one right after while the leopard was still looking at me.

    Not much you can do in this situation with any lens/equipment, but you could save the day if the camera is capable of quick AF and high frame rate as in this case (1DX).

    And no, this has nothing to do with the X1D of course

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	001_Tanzania_20130216_1DX_1431.jpg 
Views:	48 
Size:	670.2 KB 
ID:	119607Click image for larger version. 

Name:	002_Tanzania_20130216_1DX_1432.jpg 
Views:	34 
Size:	852.7 KB 
ID:	119608
    Too much to list, let's just say I have a bad case of GAS.........
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  42. #642
    Senior Member ErikKaffehr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Nyköping Sweden
    Posts
    922
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Hi,

    It is Nittohkogaku (https://www.nittohkogaku.co.jp/en/) not Nitto…

    The lenses are designed by Hasselblad, although I would guess Nittoh refines the design for production. Hasselblad publishes MTF data for both lenses and they are very good.

    Regarding vibrations, the X1D should be almost vibration free. No mirror and no focal plane shutter. Leaf shutters are unproblematic. Wind and ground vibrations can still kill the image.

    The other part is about focusing. You need critical focus for critical sharpness and that issue is vastly underestimated…

    Best regards
    Erik


    Quote Originally Posted by modator View Post
    I would like to spend some words about X1D too...


    3) Nitto lens what they are ?
    I don't know nothing about this company, why hasselblad had choose them instead od Fuji is a mystery !

    I use the 50c sensor since the beginning and I'm very happy with it is a good performer, but 50m pixel in 44x33 mm means it's a very dense sensor, to squeeze the quality from such beast the sensor is only a part of the chain, to make outdoor photos I opted for a serie 5 gitzo GT5562GTS tripod with arca C1 cube on it, that's 4,6Kg only and to shoot I use mirror up, tethering etc to be sure no vibration compromise such high resolution.
    With a tripod setup I'm around 30% perfect result and 50% acceptable, the other 50% is blurred...
    I figure out that X1C is the same, so using hand held for casual / street photo with all the compromises can lead in blurred photo at very high percentage.

    I'm thinking for who is made this camera ?

    Before the presentation I was wondering they go in this direction but plus Image stabilization and pixel shift multi-shot etc like Pentax K1, this X1D without any stabilization is less usable than a H5 / H6 camera.

    I'm waiting to read the first impression of true user.....

    Domenico.
    Homepage: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net
    Articles: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/in.../photoarticles
    Portfolio: http://echophoto.smugmug.com
    Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked for this post
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  43. #643
    Subscriber and Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    2,507
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post

    Here are two images I took back to back, the first is ruined by the idiotic woman in the vehicle with me who moved without warning. Fortunately I was able to take another one right after while the leopard was still looking at me.

    Not much you can do in this situation with any lens/equipment, but you could save the day if the camera is capable of quick AF and high frame rate as in this case (1DX).

    And no, this has nothing to do with the X1D of course
    Pradeep,

    The 1Dx is one of my favorite cameras ... I used a lot of Nikon ZF.2 glass on it but loved the speed color and when EF Glass the near perfect AF. Did I say color .... exceeded most of my DSLRs
    with little work.

    And I am glad that you could capture the look ... beautiful picture ... would be on my wall had I captured it.

    I do not see the X1D as much other than landscape travel and locked down studio ... portraits with big lights and backgrounds or on location with battery pack lights.

    But that is a lot and it would work for me.

    Regards,


    Bob
    Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked for this post

  44. #644
    Senior Member DougDolde's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Location
    Joshua Tree, CA
    Posts
    257
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    I love my Sony TV but to me, Sony is too much of a newcomer to the photography field, or at least I just can't take these hi rez new Sonys seriously. OK it's irrational

    I had an RX1R for a while, didn't care for it. Sold it. Maybe should have kept it but compared the Contax 645 and Aptus 75S I was shooting at the time it seemed like a toy.

  45. #645
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    12,724
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    40

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    I love my Sony TV but to me, Sony is too much of a newcomer to the photography field, or at least I just can't take these hi rez new Sonys seriously. OK it's irrational

    I had an RX1R for a while, didn't care for it. Sold it. Maybe should have kept it but compared the Contax 645 and Aptus 75S I was shooting at the time it seemed like a toy.
    My toy, the 42mp RX1R II, can do accurately AF with blazing speed. It is doubtful if the X1P's CDAF would even match that of the gen 1 RX1.

    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr
    Sale Items (http://www.getdpi.com/forum/gear-fs-...8806-sale.html)
    Likes 2 Member(s) liked this post

  46. #646
    Senior Member darr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    North Florida
    Posts
    840
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post
    LS lenses are at present only confined to MF systems (AFAIK).
    The Sigma Merrill and Quattro Foveon APS-C compact cameras are leaf shutter.
    One reason they are valued by the few that appreciate them.
    "Creativity takes courage." ~ Henri Matisse
    Darlene Almeda, photoscapes.com

  47. #647
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    iiiNelson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Texas/California/North Carolina
    Posts
    2,774
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    The Sigma Merrill and Quattro Foveon APS-C compact cameras are leaf shutter.
    One reason they are valued by the few that appreciate them.
    I think he meant system cameras...
    Priolite Ambassador | Sony Visible Light & IR Photographer
    http://www.iiinelsonimages.com

  48. #648
    Subscriber & Workshop Member GrahamWelland's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Vancouver, WA
    Posts
    5,425
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    539

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Opportunities to get hands on over the next week or so:
    http://hasselbladbron.com/whatsup/ne...-near-you.html
    Ylem ...
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  49. #649
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    136
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D


  50. #650
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    461
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Hasselblad X1D

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I think he meant system cameras...
    Yes.

    FWIW, I did own the Merrill DP1 when it first came out. Sold it after a few months, absolutely unusable with poor AF, terribly slow response times etc. Not worth it just for the improvement in IQ.
    Too much to list, let's just say I have a bad case of GAS.........

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •