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Damn. This might derail my Leica S system building plan. They're not identical use case cameras, but there's a lot of overlap. Nevertheless, thanks Graham.
Hasselblad has really got me itchy and scratchy now looking at all my accumulated gear and packing it up for sale ...interesting thing for me is that I will probably buy into XID AND MF like 6D or Phase One.
Photokina will be very interesting....Hasselblad has pretty much declared FOR EVF and FOR lightweight as a new market. It will be up to others to chase now. Hopefully there are a few announcements about future product as rumoured for Fuji for example. This means I will be able to get a Hasselblad sooner rather than later. Pretty obvious that CCD market is now in contraction mode .....
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Any thoughts on the use of a touch interface ?
I have mixed feelings - convenient for things like moving the focus point, but I find buttons better for accessing functions.
And in cold weather or when ever so slight damp, touch screens can be downright annoying. Gloves can't be used in the cold weather, and many touch screens just don't work if there is moisture on the screen.
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So I'm looking for S glass in the $3,000 range, but, as I said, the X1D complicates things.
I LIKE using the S system, though (except for it's weight and lens price). A system I don't like stays on the shelf and is worse than useless. So we'll see. That you like the X1D is more informative to me than any of its specs.
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I'm still looking for a S 45 lens deal to fill out my Leica kit.
What I really need is for this gawd-awful heat to go away so I can get out and do some shooting.
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I need a mirrorless Leica S
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This summer has been brutal. I'm down in Atlanta and going outside isn't a whole lot of fun at the moment. I've been sweating just by walking my dog....at 11pm...well after the sun has gone down. We've had a lot of air quality warnings to boot. Fall needs to hurry up haha
Thanks Graham for your thoughts on the hands-on with the camera. Interesting from the Digital Rev video that they said the JPEGs are not the full 50mp. I think that's the first time I've heard that.
I don't like to change , I like my M lenses and I'd like to use them on a future M with an Electronic system or Electronic/Optic, I have never said anything else
The SL will have a 50 Summilux that's not enough actually to be a complete AF system and I am not interested in the 2 zooms, with a few interesting lenses I could change at once
The Q with a 28 mm is not for me
If a mirrorless S comes it will be (again for me) more interesting than the SL
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I looked back at the launch of the H1 in 2002. There were 4 HC lenses at the launch. The 35, the 80, the 150 and the 50-110 zoom. The next year, Hasselblad released another 3 lenses. The 35, the 120 Macro and the 210. The X1D is (sort of) launching with 3 lenses, the 30, the 45 and the 90. So, I am hopeful that Hasselblad will release 4 new lenses in 2017: a 24, a 150, a 210 and a zoom with an equivalent range to 24-70 in 35mm terms. Perhaps a relatively fast normal prime like the HC 100 f/2.2.
Did the reps or the shop that sponsored the demo relay any information about delivery times if one were to order now?
Has anyone heard if Hasselblad is planning on having a vertical grip for the X1D?
Went to the Kenmore Camera store today for the X1D demo. I believe Kenmore camera will have production demo models at the end of next month.
Just some quick notes:
1. EVF refresh rate isn't that bad. It does black out sometimes, rep assures that it will be corrected soon.
2. No live peaking to begin with. It is on Hasselblad's to do list. So hopefully via firmware.
3. AF inside the store was alright not too bad. Again this is pre-production, I wasn't impressed with it. Backlit situations AF was hunting. With that being said I was not too disappointed either. AF selection points will come soon. No True Focus or any of the other Hasselblad feature. (Testing AF with 90mm mostly at F3.2).
4. Camera can handle weather elements, definitely not weather sealed.
5. As someone pointed out HB has plans to release other lenses next year but they are working with a lot on their plate. For some reason I got the impression that X1D would be a lesser priority when compared to H5/H6.
6. Someone asked about vertical grip. I did not ask the rep about it but it didn't look like X1D would have a vertical grip.
Solid camera for sure, the Kenmore reps had a Sony A7R next to HB for comparison. Seriously great work by HB. I would still wait until Photokina to decide on my order. HB vs Fuji for me
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What focal lengths would fit your definition/desires as far as landscape applications is concerned? There is a 30mm X lens well down the pipeline towards release.
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Could someone help me. I'd like to know what equivalence the X1D 45mm lens [and 30mm too] has in lens focal lengths for the 36 x 24mm sensor format, BUT :..... a 30mm X lens well down the pipeline........
Not calculated by format diagonals, but by matched FOV on the long side of the two formats.
Dang, wasn't quick enough on the draw ...
... what the heck, I'll post this anyway.
According to Barnack:
Hasselblad X1D = 35mm Full Frame = Horizontal Angle of View
30 = 24 = 74
45 = 36 = 52
90 = 71 = 27
Personally I'm ok with the 30mm on 44x33m. Kind of equivalent to my 43mm on 6x7. I'm more interested in something like a 30/45/90/150 or 180mm outfit.
For seeing and comparing focal lengths/rendering I use DT's visualizer: https://digitaltransitions.com/suppo...ualizer-tools/
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Given that lenses that say "50mm" can be off by up to 5mm, it doesn't really matter.
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Does anyone know what focusing mechanisms are used by the XCD lenses? Are they "silent"?
I tried both the 45 and the 90 and whilst I wouldn't refer to them as 'silent' they were as quiet as any other zoom lens I possess. They were essentially noiseless as far as the subject is concerned. Only a slight zip noise like any other lens.
My vision for the Hasselblad X1D is to fit it with a 22mm lens, set it to crop square, and achieve an SWC digital.
It's what I do today with a 15 or 16 mm lens on my Leica SL:
I don't shoot much "landscape" unless you interpret the term rather differently from how most people use it...
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On the question of "Which lens to develop next?" ...
Given the announced range of 30-45-90mm lenses, I would be prepared to wait a while for something wider than the 30mm.
Likewise, I would be happy to wait (or skip altogether) a zoom lens that operates across the announced range such as 30-90mm. I would, however, note that Hasselblad CEO, Perry Oostin, was quick and at pains to correct the record that Hasselblad were going to release zoom lenses for the X1D. I (personally/selfishly) like prime lenses, but I am in the minority these days. The general market appears to like to have 2 zoom lenses to cover the normal range - perhaps in this case, a 30-90mm (24-70mm for FF) and 90-250mm (70-200mm in FF). Hence, I would not be surprised if something like a 30-90mm zoom was next on the list.
I would like a 150 mm as the next lens. And then a 250 mm or a decent macro, and I mean a "true" macro (i.e., 1:1 or better).
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Oddly, when Leica replaces the original under-spec'ed S AF motor, they are considerably quieter.
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14mm equivalent will be fine, thanks.That's about a 16mm in FF35mm terms, are you landscape guys really wanting something that wide?
I'm all for a super wide but some folks might be sticker shocked by what it takes to produce such a MF lens. The list of affordable 23/24mm medium format digital lenses can be counted on ... Err ... Zero fingers
Ok, question of what "affordable" means ;-)
A quick glance at Leica S lenses says new prices are in the $4000-$10,000 range. The X1D's currently announced two lenses are $3500-4500. The XF 24mm is $7800. Ultra wide lenses are easier to design and build for shorter mount registers without a mirror in the path, but they're not cheap nonetheless. I would not imagine an X1D 21mm lens to cost much more than the Leica Super-Elmar-S 24mm f/3.5, which at least one person here has already said is one of their favorite lenses.
Seems a bit over the top to be cautionary about affordability when you're talking $9000 and up bodies and $4000 to $12,000 lenses ... !
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