As usual...I'm right there with you Joe!
As usual...I'm right there with you Joe!
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Today I had the oppertunity to follow a Hasselblad X1D presentation in Munich and could play a bit with the camera.
some details that were new for me
- Hasselblad plans to introduce a black version of the X1D at Photokina
- they plan to release TS lenses and further tele lenses in the future starting 2017
- the final firmware will offer nine focus points equally distributed within the 44x33mm sensor area; there will be no face or eye recognition which would require more focus points to work properly
- there is no way to use Hasselblad V lenses even with the V-H plus H-X adapter (this means no way to trigger the leaf shutter in the V lens by the camera)
- there is (currently) no way for an electrical cable release (only wireless via the iOS app); maybe technically possible via the USB port?
- it will be possible to zoom in to 100% on the app (on iPhone or iPad) because a full resolution jpg is transmitted wirelessly
- with current firmware the life view changes from back screen to EVF by the eye sensor, in future fw one will be able to switch off the back screen manually
- leaf shutter noise: terrible sound. loud, high frequency, 'cheap', annoying, IMO unacceptable. that was a kind of dealbreaker against the camera for quite everyone who attended the presentation. i am wondering no one else mentioning that issue in the early reviews. i remember the leaf shutter noise from a normal Hasselblad H lens on the Alpa FPS (without using the built-in focal plane shutter) and that was a very silient and pleasent noise. totally different from the X1D.
not new but recognizable
- the camera feels very nice in the hand. the grip is well shaped (more ergonomical than Leica SL), grip height is sufficient to be used without a battery grip (which is anyhow not available) and it is rather deep
- the EVF is basically the same like in current Sony and Fuji cams but frame rate is rather slow; will be quicker at final release but the Hasselblad rep could not specify how quick it would be and if the lag could be reduced
- the camera becomes rather warm already within minutes due to the heat generated by the large sensor that is in action continously to deliver the life view in the EVF or back screen; according rep should be better with final version but may still remain a critical issue especially at high outdoor temperatures
- the lenses have a very nice feeling of MF even with drive-by-wire and they feature a silicone O-ring at the mount à la Zeiss Batis; they are heavy and rather large which is a bit surprising considering that they are rather slow
- the camera is really slim so a bit hard to imagine to add a focal plane shutter in front of the sensor for more lens flexibility in a future version
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What? No wired cable release?!
I'd never trust a wireless / iPhone release in the field. If this is true and there is not a proper, wired cable release in the works, it is a major oversight.
For the rest of it, I'm surprised there will only be 9 focus points. It wouldn't bother me in pratice I don't think, but I would have thought the user could select points across the entire frame like other mirrorless cameras?
Maybe the specific prototype your tried had a different shutter?
I also don't understand why not more focus points are possible, but the rep said they would be placed exactly in the centers of the nine fields one can see if the double line grid is switched on.
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And actually you're right, it's a kind of multi-click-sound from the combination of aperture and leaf shutter (a bit like the first Sony A7 which also had a strange double-click sound).
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Its a bit hard to get cameras for testing from a brand company and then drop a bomb on the review I would guess if you not a reviewer but an actual ambassador for the company? The news about the TS lens possibility is strong, that alone will sell many cameras in conjunction with the proposed zoom offerings. Go H!
TS lenses would make the X1D basically a compelling camera for me. For travel it would make it very interesting as an alternative to my Cambo Actus DB+ & IQ150. Of course that are many aspects still why many of us love shooting real technical cameras but having a system camera body with TS lenses ticks most of my check boxes.
Of course, this is all predicated on the TS lenses being wide & mid range lenses and not like the sole Phase One TS lens which is way too long for much use for landscape shooting.
45 & 90mm TS would be great. A 35mm TS even better.
No cable release at all would be very disappointing although a timed release is there built in. Discussing with the rep when they demo'd the X1D consensus was that a USB remote would have to be provided as an option if only for credibility reasons. I agree that it is a significant oversight not to have a solution at product launch. (That said it took phase one a year+ to deliver a cable release for the XF although at least there was a dedicated port!)
The 50 mm needs to cover a larger area as it is designed for a larger sensor size. So effective light drop off is about same on the X1D compared to 50 mm HC/3.5 used on larger sensor.
The 45 mm is actually wider than the 50 mm, albeit the difference is small.
The MTF data indicates it has very high image quality, but MTF is about sharpness in the focal plane. So it is perfectly possible the lens is very sharp but may still have less than pleasant bokeh. But, a very good MTF usually indicates a well designed lens.
Light fall off is not a great issue, as it is easily corrected in software. Software correction of images have been a hallmark of Hasselblad for a long time.
So, I don't think it's half the image quality at half the price. My guess the new lens is better than the old lens when the old one is used on a crop sensor back.
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Regarding remotes, I also imagine a wired remote would be possible with the ports present and some enablement via firmware. The X1D uses the usb-c standard. It's still pretty new and a google search doesn't pull up any usb-c wired remotes currently available, but in time I'm sure we'll see some (at least some third party chinese ones) and hopefully the X1D will allow their use. As previously stated, regardless of ports, it took Phase how long to come out with a remote for the XF and it's still in short supply? I think we should give Hasselblad a little slack here. I too prefer wired remotes but I use time delay all the time with my H4D and it serves the same purpose just fine (though I also enjoy my cheap $4 third party remote trigger). I'm going to a hands on Aug. 9th and will be asking a bunch of questions and will try and follow up on TS lenses, remote, etc.
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There is a 23 mm from Rodenstock
Canon's 17/4 TSE L and 24/3.5 TSE L would be usable if the camera would have FPS
A lens like the SWC doesn't play well with digital sensor, because the symmetrical design gives large angles.
The effects of the large beam angles are:
- Vignetting (cos 4, and vignetting by pixel pits)
- Crosstalk between pixels
- Astigmatism caused by cover glass (can probably compensated in optical design)
30mm on a crop frame MF sensor combined with the portability of the X1D seems like a pretty attractive alternative to the SWC, at least for me. No it won't give the same diagonal field of view as the SWC on 6x6 film but in terms of a horizontal (or vertical) field it's pretty close.
On a FF 35mm sensor, a 15 to 16 mm lens does the right thing. It's why I have the Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5 and WATE for the Leica M/SL cameras.
So it is possible for 'Blad to make a cable release that plugs into the USB-c port? If so I hope they acknowledge this and put out a product asap after or at release. It's essential, IMO. For those of us that do tripod based work in the field, timer release is not an option, and neither is wireless via an app etc. When things are moving in front of the camera, a split second is an eternity.
Since the X1D will indeed have remote operation software, both tethered with USB and WiFi, according to the reports I've read, that means the control protocol for a wired USB remote is all in place already. What they'd need to do, at its most complex, is to make a USB device that engages the shutter release protocol in its hardware.
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Good point. If you can control the camera via usb tethered connection, a simple wired cable release is surely easy to make. Just need word from Hasstlblad to confirm!
It always amazes me that these companies shoot themselves in the foot by missing basic things like support for hard wired remotes or inability to deliver basic items (Phase One) such as the normal length cable releases or for a long time the waist level finder.
Hasselblad could avoid all of the conjecture amongst potential buyers by just making an announcement or update of their web site to clarify the remote release issue. Maybe it's not an option immediately but at least providing some roadmap information would stop some potential buyers from writing off the camera ahead of time.
It's not a complete deal breaker for me but I really really hate the option of using a smart phone as the triggering device. It's really not a reliable option out in the real world especially as mentioned here if you power on/off the camera between shooting setups. You can also guarantee that it'll be a situation where the battery is low in the phone or conditions are bad enough that you don't want to soak or handle the phone & camera.
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LCC profiles are always helpful I guess, I especially need them if I mount the DB on a customized slider. With a total 32mm shift the angle to the lens (Schneider Super Angulon 58mm) causes all sorts of nightmares that can be easily solved using LCC profiles.
I am planning a little hike tomorrow morning to photograph a scene that I spotted on the trail last week. So, when I packed my bag tonight I decided to include an A12 back with a roll of Velvia, together with the 40mm + Flexbody + digital back. Let's just say that I'm relying on "muscle memory" to load the film in the back, should the opportunity present itself.
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Here and elsewhere I have seen people say they will ABSOLUTELY not buy this camera because:
No cable release (currently, watch this space)
No focal plane shutter
No face detection
No ultra wide angle
No zoom (currently)
No ability to use with Capture One
No optical viewfinder
No ability to use on a view camera
And so on.
I say again, do NOT buy this camera if you need a feature that it doesn't have.
But again, many many many people are buying this camera and that is good for Hasselblad which is good for medium format.
Never had a camera without a cable release, albeit I mostly use the self timer. On the Hasselblad I don't have a regular shutter button, so I am cable release full time.
From the discussions I understand the using an iPhone is not a very stable solution. Albeit it should be a near ideal one.
Hopefully Hasselblad get things right before shipping…
My understanding was that they demonstrated some early samples, with firmware far from ready.
Even if they may have missed some things, that may even matter a lot to certain users, they got many things right.
Two more things the rep mentioned:
There was no cooperation with Fuji in developing the X1D system (not new), but the lenses are produced at the Japanese lens manufacturer Nito (not new) which is already producing the Hasselblad H lenses (new to me) from the previous joint-venture with Fuji.
The final firmware will include the two crop-format modes
'V' = square = 6200x 6200 pixel = 38 MP
'X-Pan' = 1:2.7 = 8272 x 3064 pixel = 25 MP
(naming and exact pixel count estimated)
In both cases the image in the EVF and the back screen will be cropped accordingly to see only the resulting picture. Sounds quite cool for fans of these formats, even if resolution is lost by cropping.
Remark: In a second step Hasselblad could offer the 'X-Pan' mode with shift (shifting the crop), to simulate that shift feature of the Horseman and Linhof 612 panorama cameras;-)
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Very true and so far I am with that. For me the problem isn't a missing feature but the old 50MP CMOS...
I know some will know say its pretty current, but honestly it isn't.
I am, however, happy for anyone buying it and I'm happy they are doing well, because I can image the next generation will be exactly what I'm looking for.
On sensor electronic shutter
By then we have a complete lens range and I don't have to "hope" for a specific lens.
As to Nick-T's list, other than item one (cable release), I personally could care less about the rest. The lack of cable release isn't a new phenomenon as I said. I've spent 6+ months shooting without one with my Phase One XF until last week. But, at least we knew that it was coming, even if apparently made of unobtanium.
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I'll amost certainly get an X1D when budget allows, but a cable release is a must for what I'd use it for.
All other things the camera doesn't have I couldn't care less about. In the meantime, I'll save my dollars.
To say if it hasn't got it then don't buy it isn't particularly helpful. Hasselblad does seem to listen to comments on forums - they did after all introduce the type of camera many were hoping for in the form of the X1D!
Hopefully they are listening to these calls from photographers for what is a given standard and that they see sense and actually act on them.
I hate all this bombastic 'deal breaker' nonsense too. I buy equipment that exists and does what it does on the basis of thinking that it might pose an advantage to my photography. Whatever faults it might have I either work around or don't affect me. If they do affect me and I can't work around them, well, that means I shouldn't buy the camera. So what? That doesn't stop it from being a great camera for many many others.
With respect to the X1D, I want/need a wider lens than currently available (or known to be shipping soon). Once that becomes available, I am very much all for it ... presuming I can afford it and that I feel the larger format/more megapixels actually is advantageous to my photography. It's okay, I'm patient, I can wait. But outside of that, I applaud Hasselblad for making such an excellent camera overall—even if it isn't exactly the right camera for me, yet.
BTW, on this remote release business, of recent cameras put on the market I feel the Impossible I-1 instant film camera got it just right. The camera shipped simultaneous to an iPhone app that could control it being available as well. The iPhone app connects to the camera via BlueTooth, not WiFi: The camera has a dedicated spot on its one control dial to hand control over to the app and connects instantly. The iPhone app includes both a remote release for auto operation, a remote release with self timer for auto operation, and a full manual control mode where you can set everything and remote release the shutter. Absolutely 100% reliable operation so far, after 25 packs of film using it. The distinction between remote release only and remote will full manual function is fantastic. Its as responsive as wired remotes have been. Perfect. or nearly so.
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Hasselblad might consider the merits of offering the same camera with 'only' 25 megapixels - add some in built anti-camera shake and true focus at least please. As the system is no threat to 5/6 series 'blad or the Phase One XF body - on a tripod - or the S series from Leica on a tripod. Do we really think we can walk around and snap shot 50 megapixel;;s - really?
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This one with the Pentax 645z and the DFA 55mm lens, hand-held at 1/15 second, random shot of the waiting area of a diner in Austin. No MLU, remote trigger or any other aids. As casual as it gets. Posted it before on another thread.
I have plenty of images with the Sony Rx1R2 (42MPx) shot casually. In fact it is now my main walkabout camera. Has no IBIS unlike the A7R2 but is stable enough for me in most situations.
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I have hundreds of handheld 645Z shots taken at base ISO and up to perhaps ISO800 at 50MP. No issues if you keep your speed up. Of course I kept lens choice at normal to wide lenses.
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I would really like to see a lens roadmap (maybe at Photokina this year) for the X1D.
I found a post on dpreview where some claimed that the EVF on the D1X would not show you the exposure and WB. To me that sounds a bit weird as that is one of the big advantages of an EVF, but I have been unable to find any information on this.
Anyone here knows anything about this?
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