Sure I am tempted by a newer, smaller camera, but that does not make my old camera obsolete...
This thread has revealed some surprising thoughts and ideas.
I suppose Hasselblad could have waited to announce this camera system until it was immediately available. However, if we consider the self inflicted beating they took over the Lunar, I'm sure they wanted to show they were back with fresh ideas and a modern direction to meet contemporary desires.
The impatience of some potential users certainly does indicate that photography is squarely in the computer mind-set, with what's next NOW being more important than what is in hand.
Phase, Hasselblad and Leica with the S system have all been slow to market with their systems at one time or another. How long did it take for the new Phase body? Leica launched the S2 with any lens you wanted as long as it was a 70 or 180mm, then took forever to get the CS lenses to market. At least they aren't like Sony with the flawed A7R which was denied, and has taken a long time to bring lenses to market able to make some use of the high meg count.
The big surprise for me is Peter A so taken with EVF. My buddy Irakly has a SL and I was disappointed in the VF (maybe due to heightened expectations) ... but since Pete loves it, I'm going to ask to try it again.
I do wish I were in a position to indulge in this new kit ...
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If I'm going to pay the bucks and cop the switch out of what I already shoot factor - the very least I would expect to see is viewfinder excellence eg the viewing experience I get with my existing Leica S for example the Hasselblad H system or the Phase One XF - as for shipping dates - they will be what they will be - my view as a potential buyer doesn't see the shipping date announcement as a positive, nor am I bound by my previous view which saw me already pay a large deposit. I'm no rush now...
The Sl; has set the benchmark ( for now) regarding the combination of dimension/magnification/clarity so it makes it possible for me to use the camera settings/histogram/live what the chips sees view - easily. It is the first camera I have used that has made me change my shooting and compositional style - it is a lot of fun just for that alone- one final thing- the Nocti+SL combination is a marriage made in heaven.
Having said that Sony for example delivers buckets and buckets loads of functionality and even is superior in some important aspects - but the viewfinder is too dim for me. I cant really get into ti with this camera - not the camera's fault obviously.
Maybe magification factor being larger than 35mm might make up for lower resolution - it w
It will be in the eye of the beholder to judge for themselves.
Maybe we can swap notes on the SL Marc on PM if you like.
The Fuji cam is rumored to be announced soon with two primes and a zoom.
If that comes with a focal plane shutter it would makes things difficult for X1D.
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Well, since the X1D doesn't exist yet technically either (there is not one aspect that Hasselblad employees, Masters or reviewers could comment on for sure, since it was still pre-production) it would be silly to make a big decision like that in the weeks before Photokina. It sure looks like a very appealing package, but if a very similar camera came out soon with a shutter built in, I would definetely wait a little. Plus, if Sony for instance does announce an MF camera, you might be able to get your hands on that sooner than an X1D, usually they announce cameras quite late and who knows how big the first batch of X1Ds is, Sony or Fuji is probably able to produce cameras quicker than Hasselblad, which is a relatively small company that probably can only hire more people if the camera is a success.
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I have no doubt that the X1D will be impressive. But since you can't actually buy it yet, it is no wonder that people start comparing it to rumoured cameras, that may well be announced soon and perhaps have more features or better lens options.
I hope everything will work out well for Hasselblad, because it probably could kill them if it doesn't. But this delay may prove pretty costly. If they really could have started shipping late august as they said, I think most people that pre-ordered would have bought too. But if shipping only starts around or after Photokina, quite a few people might cancel their orders.
Produce the best equipment you can, at the performance that you announce and that people expect, and develop it thoroughly over time. That's what I want from a manufacturer. I don't always need bleeding edge feature stuff; I mostly use about 30% of my cameras' features anyway. I want consistency, quality, reliability, and good performance in the things that are significant to me.
The equipment I buy now is all long-term purchase intent, for however long I manage to last. Give me a solid piece of hardware and develop it over time with lenses, firmware updates, and good service ... I'll be your customer for a long long time.
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i thought the x1d will be the camera to revitalize my hc lenses but now 3 month after the announcement it seems the HC adapter does also not exist. i have more and more doubts that the x1d will be a camera which is usable in a pro environment in the foreseeable future.
No, it's not anything abnormal. But it is kind of sad that it isn't. My view is that if you cater to professionals you should communicate clearly what is going on. Missing a deadline can happen, but it is not right that people still don't know if they will get their unit in two weeks or not and that all information has to come from a dealer who doesn't really know for sure either.
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What all these delays, etc, really point out, given that it is endemic to all the medium format camera brands, is how difficult it is to develop these machines and meet all the expectations construed by the high prices and assumed performance to be gained therefrom.
I would not want to be a camera manufacturer at all in today's marketplace. Between the insistent "now now now, more, better, now, and cheaper!" demands, the often conflicting (and complex!) needs and desires, the distraction of everyone wanting to know every detail of your business at every momentand then criticizing it constantly, combined with the intense difficulties posed by the development and manufacturing process and limited profitability... Whew, who wants all that stress and anxiety?
Given the collapsing profitability of the camera manufacturing business in the past several years, I think we should all be appreciative that these manufacturers have hung in there at all. And encourage them to do diligence, make the products excel as the announcements suggest, so that the cameras really are worth the the time to develop and the price they have to charge for them.
A little time and patience is in order. Nobody is dying because their X1D won't be delivered tomorrow.
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Of course I am disappointed by this, but then again I don't really mind waiting to see what happens at Photokina anyway.
Personally I'd rather see Hasselblad fully focused on polishing their products instead of hand holding a bunch of needy photographers. Makes me chuckle when I see the rage in this thread. Someone even said that Hasselblad has been lying. Ludicrous. I'd like to meet a person who has never been late or missed a promise themselves. I'm sure there is a saying about casting stones here or something similar which seems appropriate here.
Anyone else going to the Classic Camera Store on the 6th btw for their X1D demo?
I don't see any lies in what Hasselblad has said or done. I see only development and production delays. Since I've worked for a hardware manufacturer for a couple of decades, it is perfectly reasonable to me ... I cannot tell you how many times development and production delays have impacted the products (both hardware AND software) that were actually released to the public.
Patience. Let go of the rage and the desire to cast blame because you're frustrated. **** happens; I'm quite sure Hasselblad would rather that it didn't, but it does anyway.
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Mate, some people need to chill out and smell the roses!
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Well said, tjv and Godfrey.
These things happen. That said, Hasselblad could provide additional information (via social media) updating the situation with finalization and shipping of the X1D.
If there are "professionals" out there who have ordered the X1D and feel that they are losing money because of the delay, then let this be a lesson - no professional should have planned on having the X1D with such a tight time line before things became critical. This goes for any new product, but doubly so a product which is the first in a new line.
So that leaves "enthusiasts" - The X1D will hopefully be a source of pride and an excellent camera for many years to come. A delay of a few weeks is neither here nor there over this time frame. It would be better if it could be delivered on time, but that is not happening. So sit tight and wait for a wonderful camera to be finalised and manufactured.
... On a different tack, I currently use a 500C/M with a CFV-50c digital back. My interest in the X1Q is partly a case of love at first sight - it is a gorgeous design. But beyond that, there are a number of technical features that make it attractive. However, I have a clear understanding that I don't NEED the X1D, it would be just nice to have it. Logic tells me that I should wait for the X2D which would likely be a far superior product that would correct any shortcomings in the X1D. By the time that an X2D would be ready, the range of native lenses would be greatly expanded, making it a more versatile camera. I will be just fine with my 500C/M and CFV-50c until then.
I am familiar with the 50MP sensor in the X1D (as it is more or less the same as the sensor in the CFV-50c), so I know that it will have wonderful resolution and color. That said, the features that excite me with the X1D relative to where I am now (in no special order) ...
* Video as an option.
* Two extra high ISO options (12800 and 25600).
* Dual card slots.
* A touch display.
* Live view.
* USB 3 connectivity.
* An extended maximum bulb shutter time of 60 minutes (up from 34 minutes).
* Optional autofocus.
* Reduced "bulk".
I hope that the above serves to re-direct the discussion back to the subject of photography (rather than business and marketing) and the more positive aspects of this new line of Hasselblad cameras.
:-) ... MomentsForZen (Richard)
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If it is hard to be a high-end camera maker these days, it must be harder still to be a professional photographer!
The world has become impatient and unforgiving, where instant gratification rules, no wonder 'Instagram' is so popular. The very word summarizes society today.
"Promises to keep and miles to go before I sleep.........."
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What does it mean when Hasselblad says their chips are Sony certified and Phase 1 aren't?
So it's easy to understand when past experience has proved firmware updates from any camera manufacture (with maybe the exception of Fuji as of recently) are dear. Especially Leica and Hasselblad.
Look at Hasselblad's web site as of yesterday the 50c and 100c are reported being shipped not sure true or not but the cameras specifications still have areas of TBD. I know they been on holiday and there oversold if you didn't pre order your out of luck till 2017!
And as far as the X2D I don't even want to wait in line for a movie ticket at my age, or a table in a resturant let alone till 2019 for a X2D. But there is only so many X1D's available and much more customer demand so the features aren't really needed!
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Either I wait for them or I cancel the order. Done that with a couple of products, notably an MM246. Glad I did ... I used that money to buy the SL. :-)
And aren't you happy that Hasselblad is not releasing the X1D with unfinished firmware so that it actually does everything they've said it would do?
In my experience, Leica and Olympus have both gone beyond expectations with the Olympus E-M1 and Leica SL firmware development. Olympus in particular has released four major fw updates for the E-M1, each delivering useful new features that were not expected. I've never had Hasselblad digital products so can't evaluate their fw update performance. \\
Lots of complaints about a 30-45 day delay between the original shipment date and September 15. Let's compare the reaction if Fuji shows a mock up of a medium format mirrorless body at Photokina for delivery "sometime" in 2017.
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This thread kind of veered off into what is perceived as spoiled children who whine because they cannot wait for their next toy. For me, however, the subject is more about the way MFD customers are treated by the camera manufacturers. Cameras announced with initial delivery dates are always delayed and delayed without so much as a word from the manufacturers. To me, it isn't about the delays (that we all can endure), but more about respect afforded the people who lay out multi-thousands of dollars for their products. In today's age of electronic communication, the manufacturers have a myriad of ways to communicate with their customers. A single mention on Facebook about the commencement of deliveries of the H6D100 seemed a little terse to me. Knowing the anticipation for this product exhibited on this and other forums, shouldn't Hasselblad have, at least, announced it on their website as well as many other electronic outlets? The only thing I can imagine is that it is possibly a regional mentality in that part of the world that we can't understand in the United States. As a banker for 42 years the only thing we had to offer was service. All banks have the same products, so the only difference between us and the other guy was the level of service we offered. So, for the MFD manufacturers to treat their customers so "seemingly" uncaring, is foreign to me. A simple explanation that, for instance, they were working to make sure the firmware was as perfect as they could make it before release would have been welcomed.
In my area, large building projects would go on ad infinitum if the owners did not say, "We are moving in on so and so date, so you better be finished by then." I have a feeling that the camera manufacturers don't have the courage to say that, so the engineers soldier on seeking perfection. When my son was in college he always told me about the law of diminishing returns and the work it takes getting from a B to an A. That last 1% sometimes takes more effort than the previous 99%, so can't we just settle for 99.9%. This may also be true for trivial features that are really only icing on the cake. I guess what it boils down to is respect for your customers.
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Anyone can miss a deadline, hell, I've done it myself more than once.
What I find puzzling is that Hasselblad can introduce such an exciting camera and yet miss or overlook the importance of a simple cabled release.
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this camera is not made for enthusiastic photographers amateurs or pros it is made for the rich where a h6 is to large for the small trunks of their porsche and ferraris. not having a cable release is a
minor issue but not having a working hc lens adapter ready is telling.
Aside from that, the fact is that an EVF/LCD imaging system allows for a great simplification of the body's mechanicals, since there's no need for the complexity of the swinging reflex mirror. But there's no evidence that Hasselblad is building the X1D to any less an "extravagant design and luxury material" standard than they did any of their other modern cameras. The early demo prototypes I held and played with when I saw the camera back around the announcement date were beautifully finished using very nice materials. They were every bit as nicely finished as the Leica SL, which is beautifully extravagant and made of luxury materials (real metal everywhere...).
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