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    Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Very impressed!

    As a Profoto user I am extremely impressed. Couldn't ask for more there. Wow! I see it works with my 8A and D1's. I do wonder if the expanded adjustability works with my workhorse B4's and my D4 Air though. Anyone know?

    Electronic shutter for the newest back... Wow!

    Flash analysis?!!! Omg! Unheard of! That is amazing.

    Rear curtain sync...awesome!

    Customized menus..Awesome again!

    Go Phase! Go!
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Is the electronic shutter full 16bit? Any shutter speed?
    By newest back, do you mean the 100mpx sensor IQ3 only?

    Sounds like a great set of updates.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Transposure View Post
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    Electronic shutter for the newest back... Wow!
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    My word. The tech cam manufacturers are going to be able to go to town on this!

    Amazing.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Where can I find a link to info? Is this pre-announcement stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Where can I find a link to info? Is this pre-announcement stuff?
    Looks like this went up early -

    https://captureintegration.com/top-1...ture-update-3/

    The Vimeo link to the electronic shutter explanation is currrently dead.

    The ALPA Silex makes SO much more sense now!
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Looks like this went up early
    Indeed it looks like the nice gents at CI mistranslated the time zones for the embargo. I think we've all done that at some point!

    I'll be back in an hour with answers to all the above questions and more detailed blog articles.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    More details on the update here, including a new V grip for the XF.

    http://teamworkphoto.com/blog/2016/1...ture-update-3/

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Our very detailed article: Phase One Feature Update 3.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Short summary of features in Feature Update 3:

    Flash Related
    - Profoto Air Manual Control
    - Profoto AirTTL
    - Flash Duration Analysis
    - Rear Curtain Sync (with custom trim)

    Shutter/Capture Related
    - Electronic Flash (IQ3 100mp only)
    - Control of Darkframe Behavior
    - Bulb and Time mode

    Customization Related
    - Save/Load Custom Setups to CF Card
    - Icon Control (Show/Hide/Swap)
    - Assign Hyperfocal to a hard button

    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Is the electronic shutter full 16bit? Any shutter speed?
    By newest back, do you mean the 100mpx sensor IQ3 only?

    Sounds like a great set of updates.
    Answered on the dedicated Electronic Shutter thread.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Transposure View Post
    As a Profoto user I am extremely impressed. Couldn't ask for more there. Wow! I see it works with my 8A and D1's. I do wonder if the expanded adjustability works with my workhorse B4's and my D4 Air though. Anyone know?
    Any Profoto pack that was delivered with built in Air or Air TTL capability is compatible with the manual control and triggering.

    Any Profoto pack that was delivered with built in Air TTL capability is compatible with the TTL on the XF.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    I was really hoping to having a relaxing holiday! Super stroked with the firmware update and new v-grip. The full Profoto air remote in the xf body is a slam dunk. And congrats to Phase One for the electronic shutter in the IQ1 300.

    More tools to help you create even better images. After awhile it's not going to be an option to blame the camera
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffery Salter View Post

    More tools to help you create even better images. After awhile it's not going to be an option to blame the camera
    Hmm, I lost the ability to use that argument a LONG time ago

    Excellent set of super useful updates. I guess phase one finally got sick of hearing about user selectable dark frames! Even the little things like named settings are going to make life a lot easier for those of us with no short term memory. C1, C2 etc never really worked for me.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    The video and information seems to imply that features like rear current synch and flash analysis are only available when using the built in Profoto trigger. I'm hoping at least rear current synch is available with any triggering mechanism (such as Pocket Wizard in the hot shoe).

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Very, very cool!! In one Swoop I have gotten rid of threaded shutter releases and sync cords. I feel like a liberated kid!!

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Stocks View Post
    The video and information seems to imply that features like rear current synch and flash analysis are only available when using the built in Profoto trigger. I'm hoping at least rear current synch is available with any triggering mechanism (such as Pocket Wizard in the hot shoe).
    As noted in our Feature Update 3 article in the "What if you don't use Profoto?", the rear curtain sync definitely works with any form of triggering. I'll check on the flash analysis...
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    As noted in our Feature Update 3 article in the "What if you don't use Profoto?", the rear curtain sync definitely works with any form of triggering. I'll check on the flash analysis...
    So is this a manual, built-in, version of Elinchrom's Hi-Sync or Broncolor's new HS?

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeJ View Post
    So is this a manual, built-in, version of Elinchrom's Hi-Sync or Broncolor's new HS?
    From what I understand of the Broncolor HS it is a pseudo-sync work around that actually SLOWS the duration of the flash down so that it can stay on the entire time the slow focal plane shutter of a SLR is moving across the frame, and then times that slow flash so that it's at a reasonably stable power output during that period (e.g. it's not still ramping up while the shutter is open). Such psuedo syncs are designed to work around the hard physical constraint of syncing at high speeds with focal plane shutters. This is very different than what the XF is doing in Feature Update 3.

    In contrast, the XF Rear Curtain Flash Sync with custom offset does not involve massive loss of effective power and does not have a jello-effect on fast action like pseudo syncs. Instead it uses the native flash speed of a leaf shutter lens and enhances control of when during that sync period the flash should fire, allowing the user to clip the tail or insure the tail is not clipped, depending on the goal. It also provides a visual tool (the Flash Analysis Tool) to take the guess work and numerical-hacking feel away from the process.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    From what I understand of the Broncolor HS it is a pseudo-sync work around that actually SLOWS the duration of the flash down so that it can stay on the entire time the slow focal plane shutter of a SLR is moving across the frame, and then times that slow flash so that it's at a reasonably stable power output during that period (e.g. it's not still ramping up while the shutter is open). Such psuedo syncs are designed to work around the hard physical constraint of syncing at high speeds with focal plane shutters. This is very different than what the XF is doing in Feature Update 3.

    In contrast, the XF Rear Curtain Flash Sync with custom offset does not involve massive loss of effective power and does not have a jello-effect on fast action like pseudo syncs. Instead it uses the native flash speed of a leaf shutter lens and enhances control of when during that sync period the flash should fire, allowing the user to clip the tail or insure the tail is not clipped, depending on the goal. It also provides a visual tool (the Flash Analysis Tool) to take the guess work and numerical-hacking feel away from the process.
    That might be true for Broncolor's technology, but as I understand it it is utilised the same way Elinchrom's Hi-Sync is used. For sure it's more effective with slower flash durations, but remember that flash durations are rather slow when you get near max power. That's why the technology works with their ordinary heads as well.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    The downside with the technology is that the color will be a little bit off since you only use part of the flash duration. It's sort of like Hypersync, but with more control.

    http://www.elinchrom.com/learn/hss-hs.html

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    I just installed the new FW and starting playing with it. The big surprise... the XF now synchs with my Alien Bee strobes at 1/1600th using my old Pocket Wizard Plus II transceivers. (I have the XF set to rear curtain synch.)

    I believe the synch speed is something new. PWs used to top out at 1/500th unless you were using one of the newer setups in "fast" mode.

    I also confirmed that the flash power graph seems to work with non-Profoto flashes. Now I just need to learn how to use the graph and flash trim.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Install Update #3 requires that Update #2 was performed. I'm assuming I have Update #2 installed, but how do I know? My XF is running 2.01.2. From that, can I conclude that Update #2 has been done?

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    OK, now I'm confused. I went to Phase One's website and looked up Update #2. It said it contained firmware version FW2.00.15.fwr. So I assume that's the latest. But my version exceeds that. Mind you, my XF is driving a Credo back. So I wonder whether that accounts for the different version numbering? Anybody have a clue?

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Mgreer316 View Post
    Install Update #3 requires that Update #2 was performed. I'm assuming I have Update #2 installed, but how do I know? My XF is running 2.01.2. From that, can I conclude that Update #2 has been done?
    If you have any questions or problems during your firmware updating please consult your dealer.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    I'm doing that. But answers to this question will be of interest to all XF/Credo owners.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Hmm.... It looks like I do have the latest firmware version on my XF. So I copied the CP3.01.11.fwp file to a CF card, inserted it in my Cred 60 back, turned on the back, went to the install upgrade screen, and tried to perform the upgrade. But the back is reporting "Cannot find any valid firmware on card". So I'm wondering if the Credo needs a different file to upgrade the XF?

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Mgreer316 View Post
    Hmm.... It looks like I do have the latest firmware version on my XF. So I copied the CP3.01.11.fwp file to a CF card, inserted it in my Cred 60 back, turned on the back, went to the install upgrade screen, and tried to perform the upgrade. But the back is reporting "Cannot find any valid firmware on card". So I'm wondering if the Credo needs a different file to upgrade the XF?
    For your case... The single-package-for-all-backs doesn't apply to the Credo currently. You need the XF only package:
    http://dtdch.com/downloads/XF3.00.41.FWR.zip
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Yep, I got it resolved with my dealer. But I don't think you understand why I'm posting. I'm posting for the benefit of others with Credo backs so they don't waste their time. Plus, as an XF owner I'm learning how Phase One does things. I didn't know that to upgrade the camera, I need to know whether the upgrade is packaged for specific backs. I assume that other might not know that either. So I'm sharing my discoveries. That's what these forums are for.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Mgreer316 View Post
    Yep, I got it resolved with my dealer. But I don't think you understand why I'm posting. I'm posting for the benefit of others with Credo backs so they don't waste their time. Plus, as an XF owner I'm learning how Phase One does things. I didn't know that to upgrade the camera, I need to know whether the upgrade is packaged for specific backs. I assume that other might not know that either. So I'm sharing my discoveries. That's what these forums are for.
    No problem. Love it! Just wanted to make sure you got a quick answer and support at hand in case you had additional followup questions or issues.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Now with B- and T-Mode finally introduced, can you go beyond 1 hour exposure?

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    I've been playing with the electronic shutter - first rate! But I can't find the Dark Frame control in the menu (despite the picture CI shows!) nor the B and T settings.

    I can ask my dealer tomorrow but can anyone clarify?

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Bill,
    Not sure about B and T, but the dark frame control is the tiny little moon icon above the live view button. Each time you tap it it cycles between ghost (as needed), lit up (always on). And x'd out (off).

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Thanks Dave - but I can't see a half moon! (I assume you mean the Live View icon on the back, which resembles a movie camera.)

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Bill

    I think that it is on the ES screen: see Stefan Steib's post #36 on the Electronic Shutter thread; there is picture of the screen.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Arjuna View Post
    Bill

    I think that it is on the ES screen: see Stefan Steib's post #36 on the Electronic Shutter thread; there is picture of the screen.

    Ross
    Yup, thank you Ross for filling in my gaps.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Is there a manual for these new features somewhere?

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Cross posted, but the doc issue always both disappoints me and frustrates me.

    Documentation, is one area that Phase One IMO could improve on dramatically.

    I agree that the videos are basically for sales only, not tech as they don't tell you how to do anything they just show it in operation.

    The ES implementation is another area that is very vague in that:

    1. It's totally different between tech camera and XF and features shown.
    2. The ability to turn off the dark frame is not possible on the XF (unless you are in time-lapse mode) and this is never stated clearly
    3. Marketing notes seem to imply that on the tech camera once you take the one dark frame you are done, again not true, as if
    change shutter speed by even 1/3 of a stop you will be asked to shoot another shot to a lens cap
    4. Several Marketing publications show C1 screen shots when referring to the ES shutter implementation for the XF, not the actual
    screen of the XF.
    5. Only through trial and error did I realize that with the ES on the XF, I can't turn off the dark frame in single exposure mode (or maybe it's
    being done automatically on the XF?)

    But as far as I know, no manual was created for any of these new features. "ask your dealer" tends to be a response. Sure your dealer should be a great resource, but it's not an excuse for not creating a simple pdf that tell a users how to implement these new features, just like a "manual" would show. It would have taken a tech writer maybe a couple of hours to write up a step by step process list with pictures for these new features.

    But feature set 2 was handled the same way, so this is nothing new. (the lack of doc's handling the focus stacking feature is another example and even today, it's still not totally clear how to use this feature. I have never seen a single point by point listing of the exact series of steps to take to set the near and far point. But enough has been written on this site by users it's possible to figure it out.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    But as far as I know, no manual was created for any of these new features. "ask your dealer" tends to be a response. Sure your dealer should be a great resource, but it's not an excuse for not creating a simple pdf that tell a users how to implement these new features, just like a "manual" would show. It would have taken a tech writer maybe a couple of hours to write up a step by step process list with pictures for these new features.
    I agree more and better documentation from Phase One would be very welcome.

    Until then, we always welcome your calls/emails/texts in addition to doing what we can to stay present on the forums to answer questions.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Please have a look at the updated manual https://www.phaseone.com/en/SupportM...anuals_XF.aspx On page 61 there is some further information on how to use Profoto lights and page 54 explains how to use the ES.

    Hope this helps

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    I agree more and better documentation from Phase One would be very welcome.

    Until then, we always welcome your calls/emails/texts in addition to doing what we can to stay present on the forums to answer questions.
    Doug,

    No negative was meant towards you, I hope that was understood. I readily applaud the work you and your team did, as the work done by CI.

    My only point is that Phase One to me handled this feature update, just like they did with #2, parsing very little info to the field themselves, which is not like any other camera company I am used to working with. In fact DSLR companies tend to over load the documentation part as they don't have as strong a dealer channel as Phase One. I understand the "dealer" model. However I found the initial Phase One literature that was published on the ES and control over the dark frame to be both limited and confusing to implementation. All of which could have been solved by either a simple 5 minute video going through the steps for each new tool one by one, or a document with pictures step by step. I know I am just a single voice in the wilderness on this, but I have followed the Phase path since 2008 and have really never seen very good or easy to follow doc's from them, the doc on the XF was like a flow chart from a computer program. I am sure some found that helpful, I personally did not. And voicing this to Phase One, IMO is next to impossible beside outlets such as this one and feedback given to dealers. NOTE, wrong place but Oh Well, a classic example of this, is the Tech camera and IQ100 useage. It got off to a terribly bad start for whatever reason, and never was really handled in a positive manner. Only from feedback from actual users did the word start to get around that the image quality was not that bad in in fact it's excellent. Phase One has a close relationship with Alpa, and thus could have easily again created a short video, etc. Gotten in front of the issue instead of letting get so negative. I bet if you took a poll, the most photographers using digital and tech still feel that the CMOS/Tech solution is just non viable and that is not the case what so ever. In actuality, I feel the Tech/IQ100 solution is actually better than with the previous CMOS 50MP chip. You never get a 2nd chance to make a first impresstion!

    I did read the initial release notes, day of release and all they showed at that time were how to install the firmware, which by the way was very well written. Just would have preferred to see the same on actual use of new feature set.

    And one other note, it's not as if Phase did not have time as the actual firmware has been in dealer/phase beta for several months.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    I agree with Paul. I'm working with CI with my TTL issues and they have been awesome. But it seems weird to have to work through a dealerfir something that should be in a manual. Right now, I don't even know if I have a problem because I don't know if I'm using it correctly because there are no instructions! Maybe the problem is I'm doing it wrong. Or maybe it sucks. I don't know.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Just re-posting as I fear this may have gotten lost earlier in this thread

    Please have a look at the updated manual https://www.phaseone.com/en/SupportM...anuals_XF.aspx On page 61 there is some further information on how to use Profoto lights and page 54 explains how to use the ES.

    Hope this helps

    Yair

    PS the manual gets regular updates as new features are added. I'll see if we can make a note of that on the main product page as it can save some frustration on your side...

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Ok Yair, I just finished reading the Flash Photography section of the updated manual. That did help, but it still needs more. For instance, it doesn't explain how TTL works. It explains how to switch from manual to TTL, but it doesn't describe the process to work the system. I know how eTTL works on Canon systems. They explain technically how the system works so you know exactly what happened when/if it fails. They explain how the camera's metering mode effects the TTL results, what their eTTL system looks for, etc. Then they explain how to use it. They also explain the role of the pre-flash. Speaking of which, your manual explains how to switch from manual to pre-flash. But nowhere that I could did it explain why one would switch from manual to pre-flash. I'm assuming the pre-flash is used in TTL to meter. But I'd like that confirmed.

    I need to know these things because thus far, my TTL results are all over the map in a controlled test environment. So I need to know whether I'm not using it right or the system currently is lacking. The manual helped a little, but there are still questions.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    If I understand the manual correctly, you can only turn off Dark Frame calibration when the IQ3-100 is off the XF camera. It cannot be done on the XF. So it's only for tech cam users.

    Right?

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    If I understand the manual correctly, you can only turn off Dark Frame calibration when the IQ3-100 is off the XF camera. It cannot be done on the XF. So it's only for tech cam users.

    Right?
    Put in timelapse mode, disable dark frame (settings in the top left) set quantity of images to 1. Fire away.
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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Put in timelapse mode, disable dark frame (settings in the top left) set quantity of images to 1. Fire away.
    Works great if you want all the exposures to be the same. And to be totally honest use of this back in a timelaspe setup is not very practical. I realize that DT has invested a lot of resources in new apps for time lapse but the IQ 100 has no mic port so everything is silent. I realize that 4K timelaspe is possible with the IQ100 but the vast majority of time lapse is being done with a totally different set of equipment. I also don't expect to see many of videographers to start using the H6D just because it has 4K with sound. There are just too many other cheaper alternatives that will produce similar if not better overall results.

    But not practical in many non timelaspe environments in outdoor shooting.

    Why was the XF not given the same freedom as the tech camera?? No one seems to either want to answer this or can answer this. Simple question if one camera can do it why can't the other.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    No mic port?

    Nobody records audio whilst shooting a timelapse. Think about it...

    And forget 4K. 12K timelapse is possible with this back. It is incredible for timelapsing. There are really only two downsides. Firstly, frame rate is slower that you would want for some circumstances, and secondly, with - if I understand this correctly - the need to shoot a new dark frame every time the exposure settings change, "holy grail" day-to-night timelapse would need an interval of greater than 2x exposure time.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Put in timelapse mode, disable dark frame (settings in the top left) set quantity of images to 1. Fire away.
    Is this correct? I was under the impression that the first frame in a timelapse sequence has a dark frame, and whenever the exposure settings change, a new dark frame is required?

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Is this correct? I was under the impression that the first frame in a timelapse sequence has a dark frame, and whenever the exposure settings change, a new dark frame is required?
    Yes, but still works amazingly well for panoramic images

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Is saving custom setups locked to specific IQ backs? The custom save menu does not appear on my IQ180 after updating to firmware #3.

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    Re: Phase One XF Feature Update #3

    Holy smokes, I love the XF Profoto remote. Keeps showing the relative power level you've set and shows in red when you exceed min or max power. Too bad you still have to switch to an external remote when you exceed the relatively short range.

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