Hy6 Brand and Feature Differences

[fotografz]

Yeah, I think that both Sinar and Phase One will feature a larger, higher resolution LCD version in the not to distant future, or risk not keeping up with Leaf and Hasselblad ... if the price points stay reasonably similar.

I believe the Sinar is the dual battery one (grip and on-board the back itself), but it's not clear yet whether the Sinar back for the Hy6 will migrate to other cameras ... the Leaf one won't as I currently understand it. But it would seem that any of them would work with a 500 series V camera or view camera lens using a sync cord from lens to back ... if adapter plates are made for the Hy6 versions of the backs.

My "versatility" solution has been to use the H3D/39 back on a Rollei Xact, and Hasselbald 500 series lenses on the H camera with a CF adapter. I could use that back on the ALPA also, if I went that way. I also use film with the H3D and have two film backs for it.

 

[Graham Mitchell]

but it's not clear yet whether the Sinar back for the Hy6 will migrate to other cameras ... the Leaf one won't as I currently understand it. But it would seem that any of them would work with a 500 series V camera or view camera lens using a sync cord from lens to back ... if adapter plates are made for the Hy6 versions of the backs.

Ok, I will try to make this clear. Leaf backs always come with a fixed mount which will only work on one camera mount. Sinar eMotion/LV backs always include a removable adapter, so if you add an adapter you can use the same back on another camera system.

A small exception to this is in the case of using a third party mount adapter but the only one I can think of right now is the Hass V to Mamiya RZ67 adapter, and this is purely mechanical (no communication).

So, if you want to be able to use your back on the Hy6 and other platforms too, you must go for the Sinar.

 

[PeterA]

yep - the Sinar has exchange plate adaptors you can buy to fit a lot of different systems..I think that this is a very very good incentive to consider switching from one dalsa chip ( Leaf) to the same chip in Sinar..teh worst thing about Sinar is that the software is suppossed to be pretty 'clunky'..and even getting DNG files out of it is a 'work-around'..apparently in Hy6 guise the software is improved..as for larger display all I could get out of teh distibutor down here in Oz was that apparently Sinar is working on full 6x6 chip...for teh next round of sell your house and children to get gear..

Maybe trying the Hy6 out myself on the weekend down at farm..will let you know what I think guys..

oh yeah Marc - great product shots as usual - LOL

 

[fotografz]

Yep, great time to just wait and don't spend a nickel on any new MF digital gear.

Use what ya got, and wait it out. A 54X54 sensor would be very cool... something that actually WILL make a visible difference as opposed to some incremental minor improvements here and there. Better spend the more immediate cash on a computer upgrade 'cause those files WILL eat wimpy computers alive.

Just revamped even more of my studio with a 45mm Rodenstock digital view camera lens, Matthews lighting support and more new Profoto lighting. A 4800 W/S dual head in a 7" soft box! No more running out of DOF on table top product work !!! Ahhh, the weird stuff that turns our crank ... LOL ... : -)

 

[PeterA]

yeah Marc, I am going to probably sit tight on jumping into any new MF outfit at this stage for a very long time. thats why I am seriously considering a switch to the Sinar out of the Leaf..same chip really...but switchable adaptor plates?..thats gold, gives me more flexibility and I like that..

btw love that product shot and I know you did a quick and dirty..but teh shot is worth doing again I reckon..one change ..line up the first two shots in a more perfect parallel diagonal..would really make the shot even cooler I reckon..let me know what you think..I am a weirdo with product shots I just love excellence in that genre..you do gear really well..

 

[fotografz]

Not my shots Peter, just Leaf Promo shots posted to show how the back design was altered from the Aptus back.

But, as you know, I do like doing product work from time to time : -)

 

[thsinar]

hi Marc,

see my post and Sinar Hy6 prices published in the US:

- Sinar Hy6 Digital Combo/75LV $32,500.00, includes Waist Level Finder AND the Schneider 80mm AFD

- Schneider AF Variogon 60-140 F4.6 PQS $5,636.00

other lenses:

Schneider AF S-Ang 50mm F2.8 HFT PQS $4,549.00
Schneider AF Xenotar 80mm F2.8 PQS $2,161.00
Sch AF Tele-Xenar 150mm F4 HFT PQS $3,865.00
Schneider Tele-Xenar 180mm F2.8 PQ $4,536.00
Schneider Super-Angulon 40mm F3.5 HFT PQ $4,768.00
Schneider Apo-Tele-Xenar 300mm F4 HFT PQ $5,900.00
Schneider Variogon 140-280 F5.6 HFT PQ $6,855.00
Schneider Xenotar 80mm F2.8 HFT PQS $2,058.00
Sch Apo-Symmar 90mm F4 HFT PQS $3,697.00
Zeiss Distagon 50mm F4 EL HFT PQS $2,098.00
Zeiss Planar 110mm F2 HFT PQ $4,871.00
Zeiss Makro Planar 120mm F4 HFT PQS $3,952.00
Zeiss Sonnar 150mm F4 HFT PQS $3,031.00
Zeiss Sonnar 250mm F5.6 HFT PQS $3,543.00

The new AFD lens prices are not yet published in the US, but will be around 10% to 20% higher (based on my known prices in Switzerland).

Best regards,
Thierry

Leaf AFi body and 33 meg Aptus 75s back is $36,000. with no lens and no prism finder.
Lenses are all over $5000. each and the 60-140 zoom is $7,000. The exception is the 80/2.8 @ $3,100.

Wonder how Sinar Hy6 differs?

 

[thsinar]

Dear Steve,

this is confirmed by SBI's published prices: the kit also includes the waist level finder.

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

The Sinar Hy6/75LV bundle is $32,500, and I believe it includes the 80mm AFD lens, but this is unconfirmed.

Steve Hendrix
www.ppratlanta.com/digital.php

 

[thsinar]

Dear Marc,

Below a list of al the Sinar dealers (http://www.sinarbron.com/dealers.php):

Best regards,
Thierry

SINAR BRON IMAGING FULL-LINE AUTHORIZED DEALERS

BEAR IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHIC
417 LAMBERT AVE.
PALO ALTO, CA 94306
(650) 321-2327
(650) 813-0409 (FAX) [email protected] www.bearimages.com

CALUMET PHOTOGRAPHIC
65 BENT ST.
CAMBRIDGE, MA 02141
(617) 576-2600
(617) 349-0015 (FAX) www.calumetphoto.com

CALUMET PHOTOGRAPHIC
2001 BRYANT ST.
SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94110
(415) 643-9275
(415) 643-9280 www.calumetphoto.com

DODD CAMERA
2077 E. 30TH ST.
CLEVELAND, OH 44115
(216) 361-6800
(216) 361-6819 (FAX) [email protected] www.doddcamera.com

CALUMET PHOTOGRAHIC
1135 N. HIGHLAND AVE.
LOS ANGELES, CA 90038
(323) 466-1238
(323) 466-1906 (FAX) www.calumetphoto.com

FOTO CARE
136 W. 21ST ST.
NEW YORK, NY 10011
(212) 741-2990
(212) 741-3217 (FAX)
[email protected]
www.fotocare.com

CALUMET PHOTOGRAPHIC
1111 N. CHERRY AVE.
CHICAGO, IL 60622
(312) 440-4920
(313) 440-9182 (FAX) www.calumetphoto.com

PROFESSIONAL PHOTO RESOURCES
667 11TH ST. NW
ATLANTA, GA 30318
(404) 885-1885
(404) 885-9706
[email protected] www.ppratlanta.com

CALUMET PHOTOGRAPHIC
16 W. 19TH ST.
NEW YORK, NY 10011
(212) 989-8500
(212) 627-9088 (FAX) www.calumetphoto.com

SAMY'S CAMERA
431 S. FAIRFAX AVE.
LOS ANGELES, CA 90036
(323) 938-2420
(323) 937-2919 (FAX) www.samys.com

CALUMET PHOTOGRAPHIC
1400 S. COLUMBUS BLVD.
PHILADELPHIA, PA 191147
(215) 399-2155
(215) 964-6010 (FAX)
www.calumetphoto.com

ULSAKER STUDIO
275 PARK AVE.
EAST HARTFORD, CT 06108
(860) 282-0341
(860) 289-6310 (FAX) [email protected] www.ulsaker.com

The Sinar version is also a possibility, and the 5 year warranty is a VERY wise idea. My concern about Sinar is that I do not know their re-seller network nor service system in the US ...