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Zero Financing

Don Libby

Well-known member
Has anyone else noticed the 0% for 18 months offer that Capture Integration is offering? Just left their website a moment ago and am now trying to find a calculator ...

Not sure how long this has been up however I don't remember seeing it a couple days ago. I just thought I'd pass on what I found.

Happy Mothers Day to all

Don
 

PeterA

Well-known member
GM and Ford - have tried this one for years - just another sign of troubled times.

Also - for anyone thinking about this idea - there is no such thing as a 'free lunch' - the price you are asked to pay already includes the 'cost' of the interest rate free period.

For any cash buyers - the best thing to do is factor in the NPV of the theoretical interest amount you will pay after 18 months and then SATRT the negotiations with this amount TAKEN OFF the RETAIL asking price today.

Remember though that such offers are a very bearish indicator about the product and company fiscal situation with bearish indicators about the future value of your purchase today.

Sorry to see this bit of gimmickery hit the MFD nmarket. Pretty much confirms to me that only the very brave should consider buying a new MFD back today.


Phase One should immediately STOP producing so many different backs. There is a plethora of product out there from the same manufacturers with a little bit of cinamon and a tocuh of galrlick blah blah differentiate via marketing blah..

The DSLR route is killing these companies ...

MFD is about the best specialist solutions NOT the we can beat CaNikon route you are going down. You need to think larger chip sizes so people can use their MF laenses and their view cameras and superior optics from Schneider and Rodenstock. Think FF 645 as your entry level back at a 50% premium to a CanNikon. Think FF or close for a square chip to help view cameras and square format shooters - at a higher premium.

Good Luck.
 
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Alexander Bauer

Guest
just another sign of troubled times.

Good Luck.
Even so, I don't look at it that way, because customers need options.

Remember, 0% down is the most expensive way to buy anyway.

props to Capture Integration for their efforts to make MFDB not necessarily more affordable but at least available :thumbs:
 

Jack

Sr. Administrator
Staff member
Remember, 0% down is the most expensive way to buy anyway.
I dunno... I bought my last vehicle with zero down, zero percent interest for 36 months. And I had negotiated a killer deal first. Not only that, I negotiated a stellar trade-in for an older vehicle. The salesman had "assumed" all along I was going to put the cash from the trade-in as a down-payment on the new car, and he asked when we filling out the forms how much I wanted to put down. I replied, "At zero percent financing for 36 months, NOTHING!" As he reluctantly handed me both a large check and keys for my new car he said, "This doesn't happen very often..."

:D,
 

dougpeterson

Workshop Member
GM and Ford - have tried this one for years - just another sign of troubled times.

Also - for anyone thinking about this idea - there is no such thing as a 'free lunch' - the price you are asked to pay already includes the 'cost' of the interest rate free period.

For any cash buyers - the best thing to do is factor in the NPV of the theoretical interest amount you will pay after 18 months and then SATRT the negotiations with this amount TAKEN OFF the RETAIL asking price today.

Remember though that such offers are a very bearish indicator about the product and company fiscal situation with bearish indicators about the future value of your purchase today.

Sorry to see this bit of gimmickery hit the MFD nmarket. Pretty much confirms to me that only the very brave should consider buying a new MFD back today.
Couple thoughts.

First "there are no free lunches" completely ignores efficiency:
1) While we are still offering everything from 12 to 60 month leases we are much more focused on this specific 18 month lease. This means faster and easier paperwork on our end which translates to less labor cost.
2) Instead of having only a few customers entering into leases we are scaling up the number of leases dramatically because of this offer. With higher quantity comes better terms.

Second, while any business savvy person knows buying in cash is the way to spend the least total money, there are many situations in which it's not "cheaper".

For those using a digital back as a professional tool the use of the back ought to be generating additional income, whether in landing jobs they otherwise might not have landed, or in justifying a higher rate than they might otherwise have drawn. In that case having to wait to accrue a certain lump of cash may mean a net-negative.

For those using the back as a serious hobby there is an intangible cost. Imagine you spend $X dollars/hours/favors-to-the-spouse to get to the top of a mountain in Istanbul and luck out with a once-in-a-lifetime rainbow/sunset/storm shot. Now imagine that you take the shot with a D300 rather than a digital back because you were waiting for the next digital back model, the next price drop, or to accrue a lump-some cash payment. It's unlikely in this situation that you'll be reassured by what you've "saved".

There is also the hassle of moving money around. Many of our customers have enough money to purchase but consolidating various accounts, cashing out semi-liquids like CDs or short-term bonds, is a major hassle and carries a lot of baggage. With the lease they can start shooting today without the hassle and is much much better than slapping it on a credit card. Peter, if I'm right you probably could tell me off hand the current value of every account in your control as well as your target liquidity and short/long positions and I bet you even take a certain pleasure in planning major purchases, ensuring that certain investments and positions can expire/consolidate/roll-over as needed to allow a certain cash payment. That's great, but not the norm.

Doug Peterson (e-mail Me)
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dougpeterson

Workshop Member
Phase One should immediately STOP producing so many different backs. There is a plethora of product out there from the same manufacturers with a little bit of cinamon and a tocuh of galrlick blah blah differentiate via marketing blah.
One of the reasons why medium format digital produces such great quality is precisely because we are NOT making one-size-fits-all solutions like Nikon and Canon. Each of the backs currently in production has a specific niche and serves that niche much better than any consolidation-of-all-backs-into-one-back ever could.

Doug Peterson (e-mail Me)
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Phase One, Canon, Apple, Profoto, Eizo & More
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Paratom

Well-known member
...For those using the back as a serious hobby there is an intangible cost. Imagine you spend $X dollars/hours/favors-to-the-spouse to get to the top of a mountain in Istanbul and luck out with a once-in-a-lifetime rainbow/sunset/storm shot. Now imagine that you take the shot with a D300 rather than a digital back because you were waiting for the next digital back model, the next price drop, or to accrue a lump-some cash payment. It's unlikely in this situation that you'll be reassured by what you've "saved".
.....Doug Peterson (e-mail Me)
__________________
Head of Technical Services, Capture Integration
Phase One, Canon, Apple, Profoto, Eizo & More
National: 877.217.9870 | Cell: 740.707.2183
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Thats one of the reasons why I sometimes "burn" money with photographic equipmet: We only live once...and many things in our life only happen once:angel:
 

Steve Hendrix

Well-known member
Flexible purchasing options are a good thing for consumers and do not necessarily indicate a troubled marketplace. Not saying that the market place actually isn't troubled....:p

When I was a dealer, we offered 0% and other options on numerous occasions. And I have actually seen models where leasing a product cost less than paying cash after 36 months - depending on what happened with the cash you conserved.

It's not a requirement, just a consideration - I'm sure Capture Integration will accept any and all legitimate forms of payment. :thumbup:


Steve Hendrix
Phase One
 

Don Libby

Well-known member
There's also a lot to be said about using other peoples money.

There's an art to negotiation and thankfully I've slept with and had pillow talk with a government procument/negotitions expert till she retired.

Jack's vehicle story is much like ours when we decided the Ford Edge wasn't what we wanted/needed. We negotiated a very good trade as well as a spectacular bottom line of the Jeep Rubicon then using their money got it for 3 years 0% financing. We "forgot" to tell the dealership we had a trade-in and I guess we alluded we were paying cash; all part of the game.

I agree with Doug that this is a very good idea/deal however remember buyer beware - if you buy any product without first negotiating the final price you only have yourself to blame.

Picture me stepping off the soapbox...:clap:

Don
 

Don Libby

Well-known member
It's not a requirement, just a consideration - I'm sure Capture Integration will accept any and all legitimate forms of payment. :thumbup:


Steve Hendrix
Phase One
Just ask Chris about Green Stamps!:ROTFL::ROTFL::ROTFL:

Okay inside joke - when I first met w/Chris he told me they took just about any form of payment - so I asked him about S&H Green Stamps. We've been friends since:LOL:

Don
 
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Alexander Bauer

Guest
I dunno... I bought my last vehicle with zero down, zero percent interest for 36 months. And I had negotiated a killer deal first. Not only that, I negotiated a stellar trade-in for an older vehicle. The salesman had "assumed" all along I was going to put the cash from the trade-in as a down-payment on the new car, and he asked when we filling out the forms how much I wanted to put down. I replied, "At zero percent financing for 36 months, NOTHING!" As he reluctantly handed me both a large check and keys for my new car he said, "This doesn't happen very often..."

:D,
Regardless, I'm moving to US :clap:
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Just ask Chris about Green Stamps!:ROTFL::ROTFL::ROTFL:

Okay inside joke - when I first met w/Chris he told me they took just about any form of payment - so I asked him about S&H Green Stamps. We've been friends since:LOL:

Don
Scary thing is I am old enough to have used Green Stamps. LOL
 

PeterA

Well-known member
No disrespect meant to the folks @ CI at all in fact quite the opposite.

However, 'zero' interest rate deals - are a not zero interest rate deals in terms of net cash. I think net cash. Maybe I am a dinasaur -:) however my prehistoric and unsophisticated approach to cashflows has served me well over the decades.

Jack's example says two things to me:

1. he is a careful money manager who deconstructs an offer and plays if it suits his book; and
2. these zero rate deals are another example of what is wrong with the economics of the US auto industry - lets not forget they are all BUST now..

:cool:
 

lance_schad

Workshop Member
I am a little confused as well. So if you take advantage of the CI deal do you have to pay a pre-determined price ie:"list price" to take advantage? If so then in essence you are paying for the interest by not taking a discount if one is usually provided. I think I once saw someone post "who pays list".
Did not see any fine print on their website....
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Steve Hendrix

Well-known member
I am a little confused as well. So if you take advantage of the CI deal do you have to pay a pre-determined price ie:"list price" to take advantage? If so then in essence you are paying for the interest by not taking a discount if one is usually provided. I think I once saw someone post "who pays list".
Did not see any fine print on their website....
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Huh. I didn't know you were a Capture Integration customer, Lance.


Steve Hendrix
Phase One
 

lance_schad

Workshop Member
Since I am still involved in consulting and involved in the sales of high-end digital photo gear I was just curious as others maybe of how this worked out.
I have helped and still keep in contact with several forum members since my departure from CI.
I do not always re-sell the gear myself, sometimes I make a referral to a preferred dealer for the completion of the transaction.
As there were no clear details listed here or on the website I thought I would inquire because it maybe of interest to many.
L
 
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