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Not at all. Your response to David's comment about Herr Doktor Kaufmann's mention of "Leica Cinema" was:Sorry Carsten, but you are the worst example of people who do not want to understand
In other words, you think that it is very likely that nothing will come from this, i.e. "Leica Cinema" is vapourware. My counter-argument was that I was not aware of any Leica vapourware in the past, ever. You responded to this with a bunch of comments about Leica products which you thought didn't perform in some way.All the public statement of CEOs and owners of companies are just hot air! In best case they can talk about visions, their visions, over the next few years, but it is definitely not more than visions!
For me the P1 and Mamiya exclusivity is only a matter of time - maybe I am wrong but I am generally pessimistic in that branche!Not Good, Not Good, Not Good. Ironic in a country with a booming economy (almost impossible to get credit for anything here in Israel so no credit crisis, what you have to go through for a mortgage here would scare the pants off an American but it's made sense in the end).
Methinks that all those who ignored the problems with F&H were putting their heads in the sand.
How long till P1 block off the Mamiya's to anyone else leaving just two real players? Can't see Leica ever stepping up to be a equal competitor to the hasselblad express train...
I think F&H had business with Leaf and Sinar/Jenoptik..Me thinks that all those who ignored the problems with F&H were putting their heads in the sand.
Ok folks, let me try different:
Let's take out of discussion the phrase vapourware for the moment - ok?
However you call this, bringing a product to market (one of the following or multiple aplying):
1) too late (DMR, S2, etc.)
2) unmature (M8)
3) launch it but then no follow up (D system)
4) skip without any follow up (DMR and R system)
I call all of these not meeting the expectations of customers, who believe in a company and their products and abilities. But what has always happened in the background were announcements and statements by leading employees and by the CEOs being in charge at these times. And these statements were most of time misleading.
So in general I could call that also vapourware, because even if you bring a product which then does not meet the expectations on a broad base, is at least not better, sometimes even worse than vapurware!
So Carsten, how many of the products did you own and were you directly affected by the flaws - M8, DMR, D System, R System???? If you can answer that you owned all of them and were burned by all of them (like I was) then I would accept your comments and even apologize!
Otherwise - I am really sorry - you do not know what you are talking about here and better stop
Just to clarify....WRT Hasselblad and P1 expresstrain - you will never get this from Leica! Especially not if they keep going with their 3-system strategy (M, R-follow up, S). They are just a tiny company, with admittedly GREAT ideas and thoughts and skills, but they only can do SO much .....
I wonder if the missing lenses and the "Leica Cinema" comment are related?In the same speech that Dr. Kaufmann mentioned Leica Cinema, he also mentioned a 0.95 Noctilux (I just received my first shipment last week) as one of about 24 new lenses Leica would be releasing in the following 2-3 years (this was Oct 2007). Since then, they have worked towards delivering on that promise with 10 new M lenses, 9 S lenses that will be released in the coming months, and "something else" to follow (most likely AF R lenses).
(for Peter) Again, Hasselblad, as strong as they look, don't to my knowledge have any diversification. They have the strongest system on the market today, and they totally dominate the two-tone camera market, but if MFDBs slump, they can be hit hard just like Leaf. They will be able to survive longer, but not forever. I hope that no other companies go under, and that Leaf finds a solution.So, Leica has size, resources, fully-funded R&D, a well-diversified business model, an owner who is more focused on long term strategy than short-term quarterly results, and a company with a motivation to succeed. I'd take that bet over a company with lagging sales, stalled R&D, layoffs, drastic price slashing and a limited product portfolio.