tashley
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Now this is interesting in about a thousand ways...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0906/09061502mamiyam18m22m31digitalbacks.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0906/09061502mamiyam18m22m31digitalbacks.asp
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Blimey, new 'Phase look-alikes' with LIVE PREVIEW!
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Graham Mitchell
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Hmm, you can get a Sinar e54LV for nearly half the price of the M22. The Sinar has a 3 year warranty, live view, adapter options, built-in solid state memory (3GB I think), 1s per frame v 1.5s for the M22. That's what I call a no-brainer 
a no-brainer is a product of a healthy company.That's what I call a no-brainer
The e54LV might be a no-brainer price-wise.
P21+ ;-)
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
Here I thought the 9 micron sensor was no longer being made. Sounds more like a rebirth /rebadge.
Graham Mitchell
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Jenoptik makes the Sinar backs (and owns Sinar). Last I heard they were making an annual profit in the region of $1bn - actually the most healthy of all MFDB makers.
thomas - Sometimes I feel like we are more speculating about worst case scenarios of MF-back and camera manufacturers vs. discussing the equipment and photography. In one way it might include some interesting and important information but mostly it becomes a lot of negative speculation.
I go further and my theory is that this pessimistic way of thinking and speculating and talking things bad is one of the reasons why the economical and financial crisis has come so fast and massive. I wonder why many people are so pessimistic those days. It almost seems that its more fun to discuss the bad things vs discussing the good things. Like rather discussing the posibility a back manufacturer might get some financial problems vs discussing the output of the back, rather discussing Leica M8 flaws vs the great IQ this little camera delivers, etc etc. I wonder why.
I go further and my theory is that this pessimistic way of thinking and speculating and talking things bad is one of the reasons why the economical and financial crisis has come so fast and massive. I wonder why many people are so pessimistic those days. It almost seems that its more fun to discuss the bad things vs discussing the good things. Like rather discussing the posibility a back manufacturer might get some financial problems vs discussing the output of the back, rather discussing Leica M8 flaws vs the great IQ this little camera delivers, etc etc. I wonder why.
dougpeterson
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The phrasing was likely the result of a press release written not-in-English and then translated into English.
These backs do NOT have on-LCD Live Preview (authoritative and absolutely certain statement).
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Actually, they are re-badged P21+, P25+, and P30+ for the global market, including the USA. I got a MAC Group dealer memo a few days ago telling me of the "new" Mamiya backs with the next line reading, "yes, they are Phase backs."OR re-badged P20+, P25+ and P30+ for the EU market?
Not sure of USA pricing yet, but they are going to be sold through any and all Mamiya digital dealers who want them.
Obviously missing in the lineup are P45+ and new P40+ and P65+. This is an interesting approach by Mamiya and Phase. First the Mamiya 645AFDIII got re-badged as the PhaseOne 645AFD, then the lenses became Phase One, now it's going to other way with Phase One backs getting the Mamiya moniker.
When I get pricing, I'll post info.
As an interesting footnote, I just received another MAC Group dealer memo just a few minutes ago about refurb/demo DL28 and DL33 kits (with Leaf Aptus backs) for $9,995 and $12,995 respectively. So, this Mamiya/Leaf arrangement might be coming to an end (unsurprisingly).
David
Steve Hendrix
Well-known member
Not necessarily.
Also, I would say that Mac Group is jumping the gun a bit. There is much that has not been finalized.
Steve Hendrix/Phase One
gogopix
Subscriber
$1Bn profit would have been nice, but
it wasn't so.
actually DID make some money about $15million. Turnover in 2008 was under $1Bn ($3/4 B)
2009 will be an interesting year to watch for all.
Victor
Steve Hendrix
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Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
Exactly what I heard also Steve. NOTHING is final
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
Sorry but your talking Jenopik as a whole company , Sinar is a very small piece of it. Jenoptik has it's hands in many many things. Break the Sinar part off of it and it maybe a different story altogether. Could actually be running at a loss.
Graham Mitchell
New member
I was correcting the inference that Sinar backs were made by a company on the verge of bankruptcy. This is far from the truth. And yes of course they are involved in many other activities but that's the whole point - it's a diverse and healthy company making these backs.