Yes could have been much worse. Luckily just water based paint.
Just playing devil's advocate here - Phase bought Leaf assets but not Leaf itself. I assume that the original company Leaf is being closed? Given that Leaf owners have their warranty provided by Leaf does this mean that Leaf warranties are now worthless? Will there even be service available on original Leaf products?
I guess we will have to see how this all works out for the Leaf owners. I would assume there warranties would be included in any kind of sale like this and the same for repairs. It's interesting news good for the companies and owners involved but I do agree the field of MF is getting smaller with players and with Sinar sort of in the air with the Hy6 body as users this could also be dangerous as our options get smaller. I think the bottom line on this good for the Leaf users they have a new home and have a place to turn. Phase gains some market share and some additional expertise in the MF world but in the end the choices do get smaller at least as far as systems wide . Now we have 3 Sinar, Hassy and Phase.
We do have Leica entering the field but not so sure I call it MF to a certain degree. I think the difference or what makes it MF is the removable back at least by some definition that most of us perceive.
On a personal note, this has put a damper on my plans for a new Aptus that I was getting, not sure if I'm going to go through with it now, of course that's assuming that there still is some kind of production line.
Just a thought...
"Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."
I remember when I was on Photokina 08, Sinar announced a cooperation with Leaf. Btw. It is still a head line on SINAR's main website. <shrugs> Nothing was sealed then, and Lorenz Koch was planing to go to Israel soon to put that baby to sleep, but I have not heard anything afterwards, and Lorenz is not working anymore for Sinar.
Fascinating how a few months time can shake up that much.At Sinar we have a sixty year long tradition of excellence in designing and building innovative and precise camera systems for photographers around the globe." said Wolfgang Keller, CEO of Sinar AG. "The new Leaf AFi-II digital back would complement our own digital product range perfectly, like the brand new eSprit 65, and with this cooperation we will be able to provide solutions for an even broader spectrum of professionals."
I wonder what the future for Sinar will be like, I am hearing all kind of rumors concerning Jenaoptik plans since a few weeks.
I intend to think, at the end of the day, I'd hate to see companies like LEAF disappear, in my view, less competition certainly is no good news for endusers.
The demand in this high end sector was driven to a degree by the ridiculous budgets available to marketing and advertisement agencies, hence paying outrageous sums to a small elite of star photographers and very serious money to a trail of second line photographers. Or am I wrong in that assumption?
Now I would guess, from talking to friends long established in that business, and some openly admitting their books to be at least half empty, some of them even down to zero, the market deals with a large amount of shrinking which of course effects the weakest the most.
Taking economical depression into account, the order of business should be consolidation, and re thinking of existing business models that were valid in the past, but are now pulverised to dust in face of the new reality.
One way of looking at it is to look for new segments in the given market, and expand into their turf, but this can not happen on a pricing level we still face in the MFDB world. I think, and I stand to be corrected, the pricing of gear will have to come down further, and there is plenty of scope to do that.
Interesting times for sure!
What we see today in the MFDB business is clearly the result of recession. As budgets are significantly down, there is much less demand for new equipment. And as we see today already some saturation in the target segment of MFDBs, this is even worse. But I am also convinced that the advertisement market will revamp again pretty soon, if there are no further economic bubbles left for near future.
I also believe that price levels have to come down further. A MF camera with MFDB and standard lens has to be available under 10k€ in order to get really into some sort of low mass market for MFDBs. Will this happen now faster with less competition? Hard to say, as this also means that price levels can be kept high. On the other hand all remaining MF vendors need to increase their sales numbers in order to survive, so they also need to come to the lower price MF segment.
I think we will see entry level offers for under 10k especially with lower resolution and "older" MFDB designs, but on the other side the high end top level will stay in the same price region as today's 60MP backs.
But forget about more competition in this area. And in fact I think that even Leica has already missed the train
There are already a lot of sub 10K MF solutions.
Think about the mamiya solutions and although I really don't like the ZD back the new Phase one backs on the Mamiya are a nice start for the people starting below 10K.
And also hasselblad, in the netherlands you can buy a H3DII31 with lens for I believe 9950.00 euro.
Yup, got a call as well, below 10K for the Kit with 39MP, body and 80mm. Pretty amazing isn't it?
But I agree we are getting there - maybe it could be a bit faster
Peter, I looked it up again, as I am not really interested in buying a Hassy I messed it up a bit, it was 31 MP not 39. Sorry about that!
Yes, thanks! It is quite the steep learning curve. I had to re-learn how to meter, of all things. Everything seems completely different somehow, even though I have been using the same camera and lenses with high-resolution B&W film. Weird.Congratulations! I wish you a lot of fun and great captures with your new system. And I'm sure you will get both.
They could have announced all mounts without producing them... and if somene orders one they would simply say with adapter it takes 10 days delivery.
But also I remember discussions on LuLa were TH had to defend the missing Contax mount ... and he didn't mention the possibility that there will be one if there is demand.
Yes, these two lenses are awesome. I took my entire cemetary B&W film series with just those two lenses, and this trend looks to be continuing with my Sinar back. I also use the Hasselblad 110/2, but the adapter is off, and can't reach infinity. I will have to look for a better one. I have posted my first result in the photo thread.