Marc - how have you connected the tripod there?
My next purchase will be for a larger chip size - not more megapixels..this probably means I wont be buying anything for a long time if ever ..but I have to say I am very happy with what I already have I dont need more megapixels..
Leica isnt as silly as many think withteh S2 it is the DSLR that a lot of MFD shooters want..the otehr side of the coin is please someone make the chip in SIZE and FORMAT that technical camera and square camera shooters want..
often times I would shoot the camera vertically even when it was 6x6 just so I could get the camera high enough to look into my subjects eye if I did not want to look up at them. you get used to it.
I can see how for Hassy-V 200 Series users the cfv and specially the new cfv are great news.
I might have even decided for a Hassy 203 or 205 with V-lenses if this back had been available at the time I enter MF-world. (I am happy with what Ihave now, but for me the V-System is still very interesting and for some reason a timeless system)
The 503CW winder, which includes a hand strap, also makes it easier to use the camera on it's side than does the 203FE winder.
Peter, the camera is secured on a Gitzo ball head using a Hasselblad quick release that mates with the camera without the need for a QR plate on the camera (it's built-in to all V and H bodies)
But it is the 203FE that is of interest here due to being a focal plane camera with fast Zeiss FE lenses.
Money is as tight as can possibly be imagined right now and even $14K is a very serious amount of cash ... something will have to give to make this happen. A divorce is the most expensive option of them all ...
An other possible option for a finder but heavier than the RMfx .
Just look at the viewer . That viewer is very good .
Unfortunately, it doesn't work on the 203FE because it lacks the cut out slot at the top for the 200 viewfinder display like the RMFx one does (shown below on a 203FE).
I looked at possibly modifying it using the mount from another finder, but nothing lines up, and the mount is integrated into the finder rather than being a separate simple mount.
You're right, there is no free lunch but I think I have 2 killer ideas:
Tell the guys in the upper levels to bring the CFV39 back in 2 flavors:
One with the horizontal sensor for the guys that prefer landscape orientation in a WLF camera like Jurgen for example.
And one model with the sensor in vertical position for guys that would prefer a WLF camera for studio work.
Seriously, think about it. As far as I'm concerned, the wlf camera is prefered by some because it allows to compose "groundglass style, and to quickly fine focus by the flip of the magnifier. Other advantage is that since the photographer is looking down, the model or sitter feels more at ease. I know this because I was told that many times in my studio. The other advantage of the wlf camera is that your face is actually above the camera not behind, allowing for more immediate rapport since the sitter can "see you working". Of course, a few disadvantages for landscape photographers may be, like difficulting camera operation next to floor level.
Cost of this variation seems to me to be of low cost.
Second idea: Bring a CFV back with a 44X33 sensor with the verto-like rotating feature. With the savings of the smaller sensor Hasselblad could implement the rotating mechanism for the same price.
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I applaud Hasselblad for making the CFV39 since the 203FE and 205FCC are two of my all time favorite cameras. By having the built in camera focal plane shutter and the option of leaf shutter lens, this is a complete system that even only the Leica S2 is about to deliver. By having the CFV39, the 200 series cameras now have even more option from other manufacturers accessories. I only wish that Hasselblad would have treat the V system the way they treat the H system. This back should have been available long ago when it was introduced to the H system.
Now I will go out and repurchase some of my children.
You know what I find interesting about all this is a lingering suspicion that there was one of those magical things happening with the CFV/16 meg square back that may or may not translate with the higher meg back. You know, fat pixels and all that.
I have always been pleasantly perplexed by the performance of the CFV and Zeiss lenses as demonstrated continually by the images produced and shown here and other sites. The images always seem better than the back should logically produce. That wonderful "Shipyard" series is an example.
I have to yank the H3D-II/39 back off the view camera, put it back on the H3D-II camera and try some shots with the Zeiss 40 IF, crop to a square and see how it compares to the same shot with the same lens using the CFV-II/16 back.
This is an interesting development for the V-System. I was poking around KEH and a 503CW kit with winder can be picked up for around $2K. I find this combo very appealing.
Question: does the 503CW have built-in metering? Could one of the Hassy guys shoot me an e-mail?
No, only some of the 200-series cameras have built-in metering. You can add a PME45 or some other metering prism though.
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I am not aware of anyone --- before this there really hasn't been a reason, so no one would have bought them...
i'm curious how a rectangular format would feel in a camera whose ergonomics are based on square...i'll have to play around with that, flipping my blad on it's side...grrr!
I just tried it with a 503CWD + PME-45 +Winder....Turning the camera for a "portrait" orientation is more ergonomic than turning a DSLR, IMO. It feels very natural.
Very easy and natural to use this way ... who whould have thunk it?
Amazing, being able to convert a 50+ year old design to a "modern digital camera"
With the winder attached, the rotation of the wrist to create "portrait" or "landscape"
feels just how a camera should be.
Yesterday I did a couple of quick shots using the H3D-II/39 camera body with a Zeiss 40 IF mounted via the CF adapter in order to answer my own question about IQ ... it is excellent and the wide 40 is spectacular... same sort of qualities as the 16 meg with more resolution for enlargements. All the subjects I shot were boooooring but I will try to use it at a wedding I have tomorrow to see how it works in real world shooting conditions. .
Personally, for just 500 series lenses I have no need for this new back since I can use all of them on the 31 and 39 meg H cameras with the bonus of focus confirmation in the viewfinder ... it's the focal plane shutter 203FE and fast aperture FE lenses that now has me intrigued.
Now thanks to Steve, I see that the portrait orientation is a non issue for me since I rarely use the WL finder anyway. I understand that others do prefer the WL and that still can be used in landscape. No biggie for me.
No , it is not sea-sickness nor vertigo , it is just a little bit funny and you have to get used to it . Standing or looking at "45 degrees forward" .
I think , I had more trouble to get the winder attached , as I did not use it for some years . The manual did not tell me much , but I finally managed .
I am looking very much forward to get the CFV-39 and try that combo .
I have also tried the RM-2 viewer . It is an even better solution , especially , because it is easier to attach the CFV and the magnification of the RM-2 is excellent .
As the winder can not be attached to the 203FE , the lack of seeing the exposure data caused by the RM-2 + 203FE is of no problem here .
I have been playing around now quite a bit with the 503CW + RM-2 prism + 503 winder . No problem for landscape and portrait position .
I like it more and more . I wish you could have that combo in your hands , you woud change your mind . An image will follow .
For me , this is the best solution , that could ever happen to me .
The only trouble I have is , that I am right handed , and therefore I would need a exposure meter for left-handers .
Any advice ? ? ?
I have been playing around now quite a bit with the 503CW + RM-2 prism + 503 winder
Looking at the RM-2 in Nordin, 503CW+RM-2+winder+CFV39 looks like an ideal combination; if TTlL exposure metering isn't needed. I have found metering much less useful with a Digital back than it is with 12 exp. film magazines.
I have the longer RM finder for the 70mm film back, but not the regular length one. I cannot even mount the RM on the 203FE. I will not slide all the way in like it does for the 500 cameras. I can mount the 200 winder and the CFV back.
I was told that if you modify the silver metal plate underneath the RM-2 to look like the plate shown here (at the end of the section on the PME-90) the RM-2 will work just fine on the 200-series.
Anybody know if the LCD is visible in this situation?
The PME90 interfers physically with the DB.
Sorry for the confusion . If I read my update , I am now confused as well .
I know the RM-2 can not be mounted to the 203FE . I had a rework in mind , but in the meantime , I decided not to do so .
That chromed material is very hard and if something should go wrong , I would not get spares .
Therefore , I will use the 503CW with the RM-2 and the winder . I will leave both attached to the body all the time .
The RM-2 is the long viewer and has a brilliant magnification . Also it leaves enough space to attach a CFV/CFV-39 , even for people with bigger fingers .
Therefore , my 203FE + CVF/CFV-39 will be the working horse for the FE lenses and the usage of the
PME45 or DPS .
Having the 501CM as backup .
I find the F-Winder handy , but not as good as the 503 winder . I am missing the leather strap for a save holding of the combo .
Sorry again for the confusion .
As for the "left hander" exposure meter , I can use the SEKONIC L-398 M , which can easily be used
with both hands .
But , as Steve pointed out , metering is not that much useful with digital .
A Hassey repair person like Dave Odes may be better able to answer this question. I don't think he repairs 200 series cameras, but may well know the inner workings of the RM finders.
Could be a cottage indsustry for some enterprising person with a Dremmel Tool
I wonder how many of the shorter barrel RM-1s are out there in used land? There was also an older version of the shorter barrel RM-1 finder: HC-4 (cat.No. 52086) but some folks found it difficult to use.
Just a note: anyone with a PM90 or PME90 finder ... do not put the CFV back on with this finder mounted ... the PM90s have a lever that releases the film backs but it does not release the secondary security button on the CFVs ... unless of course you intend NEVER taking the CFV off the camera ...
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Here a quick shot of the combo .
Please notice , that there is enough room form handling of the CFV back , unlike , as Marc pointed out , with the PM90/PME90 .
The RM-2 is very difficult to find .
I was lucky to get that from E-bay a couple of years ago . It is in mint condition and served as a collectors item .
These lazy days are over now .
can be disassembled and modified. It may take a couple of weeks to put together a test 203FE system, but I will let folks here know of the outcome (RM-2 + 203FE), if there is interest.
If you guys can find someone who reads Cantonese, these Hong Kong photographers modified a CW Winder with parts from an F Winder to work on the 203FE : http://forum.xitek.com/showarchives.php?threadid=378471
Apparently, all that is required is the motor pin from the F Winder to be swapped with that from the CW Winder and a slight modification to the CW Winder mounting plate.
The photos are self-explanatory.
Knock yourselves out.
I have seen pictures of the PME-90 on a 503CW mated with a PhaseOne P25. Perhaps the P25 is a little shallower than the CFV back. I wonder why Hasselblad makes things difficult for its customers sometimes.
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Will the older HC3/70 (52043) work with the 200 series. Nordin specifically says that he RM-2 won't work but make no mention of the HC 3.
Wow, thank you, Forrest!
I did manage to locate a modified CW winder modified to fit the 203FE, but this is fantastic. I have always been concerned about a backup. I know Hasselblad did this for NASA, but with this, it shouldn't be too hard to make another, should the need arise.
Yes, I do believe the P25 is shallower than the CFV, unfortunately.
For any adventurous folks out there, here is Steve's article translated to English.
Also, I just found a guy who modified his 200-series camera to accept an unmodified winder (kind of solving the problem the other way around). He posts brief instructions here.
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