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    Evening!

    I've ad depressingly little time for photography over the last couple of weeks so here's a quick shot from the garden. Should have had my 200 f2 today but stuck with DHL until Monday! Crap!



    For some reason this looks really crunchy on the web, it isn't as a tiff!
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    very nice, ceh, with nice front and back-focus!, and a nice walk!
    You left the D610 downhill I can see, and with no regrettings (more difficult, more steady hands, and mind??)
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    I used to have D600 camera.
    D800E is more demanding if concerned the firm hand.
    24-120/4VR (lens) is of worse quality at D800E than 24-85VR at D600..
    Actually, I took it (24-120) out for walking trip just to check its behaviour as I will use it in my skialp trips where I need to save every gram in the rucksack and cannot take many lens with me.
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    Pano-handheld,8 vertical images stitched with PTGui Pro,120mm,f/8.0..


    D800E,24-120/4VR
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    For the season that is now upon us (and getting in a little practice at food photography):


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    Old picture taken at Dream Lake, RMNP several years ago with a Nikon D300.
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    Another old picture taken at Bryce Canyon Nat'l Park with Nikon D300.
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    D800E with 70-200vr11 @200mm,f4.. a candid shot of a rising sun.. (On my screen it's showing banding,but there's none in the full size jpeg. )
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    Evening

    Here's a b&w shot from this morning, I had to make do with my full colour D800!



    Sharp enough for me, the issues are more likely composition, something a monochrome camera can't help me with!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr View Post
    Evening

    Here's a b&w shot from this morning, I had to make do with my full colour D800!
    Good one Mat!
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    ...



    D800E,Sigma 35/1.4...
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    Another sunset shot. D600 with 24-85 zoom

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    The Coolpix A doesn't get much love on the fora. I've rather grown to like it a lot; excellent build quality, great colours and a very sharp lens. Pity no viewfinder.
    Here are some snaps.









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    Lazy Sunday afternoons...

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    One from the Diamond Jewellery Shoot. Nikon D800E with Nikon 85mm F1.8G


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    Wonderful image, Oamkumar. And your Flickr stream is simply stunning. Amazing work!
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    Thanks a lot Lloyd..!

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    Sanbona Reserve / South Africa
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    D800 85mm 1.4 and a teen mag editorial...
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    A quick portrait for a pal,D800E and 70-200vr2 @110mm,f8.. Profoto BD as key and prohead with reflector as kicker..
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    Portrait with a desk lamp for the light.
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    RVB, I experienced that same structured sky look with some photos I took with my D800E recently. I was not sure what to attribute it too, and I am not sure I looked at it at full rez. So, is that officially "banding" or is it banding like?

    Experts weigh in?

    I can pull up one of mine for examination as well... 28mm 1.4D/D800E Note, i did add the vignetting top corners.

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    Evening.

    This is top secret so please keep it amongst yourselves, I spotted a familiar face this morning, he appeared to be out for a bit of training before the big day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photojazz View Post
    RVB, I experienced that same structured sky look with some photos I took with my D800E recently. I was not sure what to attribute it too, and I am not sure I looked at it at full rez. So, is that officially "banding" or is it banding like?

    Experts weigh in?

    I can pull up one of mine for examination as well... 28mm 1.4D/D800E Note, i did add the vignetting top corners.
    And here is mine. I only see it in HDR images (5 different exposures +/- 1EV). But it is definitely an issue with the D800E and landscapes. I initially thought that this is a lens flare type issue, but I found it with other lenses and other lighting circumstances as well. Note both the round and straighter bands (and the sensor spot).

    PS: indeed, the image is out of focus - just to demo the effect...

    24mm 1.4 @ 8

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    Quote Originally Posted by markhout View Post
    And here is mine. I only see it in HDR images (5 different exposures +/- 1EV). But it is definitely an issue with the D800E and landscapes. I initially thought that this is a lens flare type issue, but I found it with other lenses and other lighting circumstances as well. Note both the round and straighter bands (and the sensor spot).

    PS: indeed, the image is out of focus - just to demo the effect...

    24mm 1.4 @ 8
    What software are you using to convert the raw file? Are you shooting compressed, compressed-lossless, or uncompressed RAW? Do you have Nikon's auto vignetting correction on or off? Finally, describe your workflow, specifically what color spaces you are using from capture through output?
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    What software are you using to convert the raw file?
    LR5
    Are you shooting compressed, compressed-lossless, or uncompressed RAW?
    Uncompressed RAW
    Do you have Nikon's auto vignetting correction on or off?
    Off
    Finally, describe your workflow, specifically what color spaces you are using from capture through output?
    The D800E captures in Adobe RGB, but I don't think that this has any effect on the colorspace. Import in LR5 is in ProPhoto.
    I use the Merge to HDR Pro function in LR5 on 5 RAW images, which exports to PS CS6. I save the resulting 32 bit TIFF in PS without processing, which imports automatically back into LR5 (without any processing at the time of import)

    Here is a sample of the darkest image shot as part of the HDR series, where you can still see a hint of the concentric circles. They are there, as is the banding on the horizon. (EDIT - well, maybe not so much on this web image). The HDR processing just enlarges the issue.

    Would be great if this is an avoidable colorspace issue, but this to me seems different. I initially thought it was flare, given the harsh contrasts (images taken with other lenses have this issue as well). It could be the cold or perhaps the sensor going from warm to cold - these are taken at 11000 feet and it was freezing when I was there, but the camera had about 45 mins between leaving the car and taking these shots to cool down.


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    To me it just looks like the typical loss of tonal gradation in an over-compressed file.

    But since you seem to be somewhat in doubt about if there is something wrong with the RAW captures themselves and since it is just an out of focus demo picture, I'd suggest that you make the five RAW files downloadable.

    In that way the knowledgeable post-processing gurus here will easily and quickly be able to see if there is something wrong with the RAW captures, or if it's just a problem with the compression of the merged HDR file.



    Quote Originally Posted by markhout View Post

    (...) I only see it in HDR images (5 different exposures +/- 1EV). But it is definitely an issue with the D800E and landscapes. (...)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    I'd suggest that you make the five RAW files downloadable.

    In that way the knowledgeable post-processing gurus here will easily and quickly be able to see if there is something wrong with the RAW captures, or if it's just a problem with the compression of the merged HDR file.
    Makes sense - see 5 Dropbox links below:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...s/_DSC8530.NEF
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...s/_DSC8531.NEF
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...s/_DSC8532.NEF
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...s/_DSC8533.NEF
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...s/_DSC8534.NEF

    Thanks all - any comment appreciated!

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    The artifacting in the single file is a concern. I DL'd your first file and it looks fine in LR and C1, so I suspect your issue is in your HDR merge or conversion to web jpeg, either CM workflow or sizing workflow or both. How are you doing the final jpeg output for web, specifically how are you handling color and sizing?

    Sidebar question is why are you doing an HDR when the first frame you show would render an almost perfect single file to work with? I'd work with a single file until you get your workflow sorted and can produce a jpeg with no banding…

    Here is your first frame, converted exactly as shot in PS, but output for web in a proper fashion. First comment is it actually surprised me how much better this color is than what you produced above and I just took it straight from your camera! Yes it's a little warm and a little magenta, but I left it that way to make the point:



    And here it is with a heavy vignette in Camera Raw, still no actual banding but some hints toward it:



    It's possible your raw software does a poor job on vignettes and is creating the banding, or perhaps the vignette combined with HDR is over compressing. My guess is you have a major issue somewhere in your workflow, and probably with HDR, CM and/or image downsizing routines...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    The artifacting in the single file is a concern. I DL'd your first file and it looks fine in LR and C1, so I suspect your issue is in your HDR merge or conversion to web jpeg. How are you doing the final jpeg output for web, specifically how are you handling color?

    Sidebar question is why are you doing an HDR when the first frame you show would render an almost perfect single file to work with? I'd work with a single file until you get your workflow sorted and can produce a jpeg with no banding…
    Thanks Jack. The web conversion makes the issue less visible, if anything. And you are right on that first file - I still underestimate the D800E's DR. Bracketing has been my way of life since I started shooting digital!

    My end solution is probably to work from the zero-exposure raw file and layer in parts of differently exposed images if needed. That should get rid of most of the issue.

    Looks like the issue is in the HDR merge to 32 bit then - still odd though... Never seen it before.

    PS: Thanks for that - got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markhout View Post
    Bracketing has been my way of life since I started shooting digital!
    Remember, just because we can do something -- or in this case always used to do something -- doesn't mean we should...
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    Quote Originally Posted by markhout View Post
    My end solution is probably to work from the zero-exposure raw file and layer in parts of differently exposed images if needed. That should get rid of most of the issue.

    Looks like the issue is in the HDR merge to 32 bit then - still odd though... Never seen it before.

    PS: Thanks for that - got it.
    Mark from my perspective I don't think you even have to do that. I took the liberty to work up one of those raw files, #8533 and have attached as jpeg below. As I was working the image, not merging parts from the other 4 images in the set some banding in the sky was occurring but nothing like what you posted initially. Anyway this is my take on the scene with a few adjustments.

    Hope it helps.

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    Recent trip to New Mexico

    Been meaning to post a few of my own images from a recent trip to NM. I seem to be stuck in B&W mode these days, but having fun with it non the less.

    Thanks for looking.

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    Mark from my perspective I don't think you even have to do that. I took the liberty to work up one of those raw files, #8533 and have attached as jpeg below. As I was working the image, not merging parts from the other 4 images in the set some banding in the sky was occurring but nothing like what you posted initially. Anyway this is my take on the scene with a few adjustments.

    Hope it helps.

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    Thanks Rob - this is about what I had visualized. Appreciate the work!

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    Evening!

    I've been practicing with the 200, following Guy's advice on handling it and much happier with the shots today.

    Here are a couple..



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    And a final shot of an old barn, really like this.

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    Please forgive me for going back to Mark's problem with tonal banding in some files.
    I guess the banding especially stems from the last capture ( _DSC8534).
    That capture is overexposed (as can also be seen in the histogram).
    And the concentric tonal 'banding' is visible in the sky already in the RAW file when I open it in Capture NX2.
    So, Mark, a merge without that last file might give you a better result, in case you still want to experiment with a HDR merge (not necessary imo).

    What I find a bit more surprising and to be honest also a tiny bit worrying is that also file _DSC8533 seems to have an ever so slight unevenness in the sky.
    And this file looks ok according to the histogram, but when I process it and save it as a quality 80/100 jpeg file it seems to fall ever so slightly apart in the blue sky, or is it just me seeing ghosts ?
    Jack - and Rob - what do you think about Mark's file number _DSC8533, is the file healthy in the sky rendering or is there some kind of problem with that file ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    Please forgive me for going back to Mark's problem with tonal banding in some files.
    I guess the banding especially stems from the last capture ( _DSC8534).
    That capture is overexposed (as can also be seen in the histogram).
    And the concentric tonal 'banding' is visible in the sky already in the RAW file when I open it in Capture NX2.
    So, Mark, a merge without that last file might give you a better result, in case you still want to experiment with a HDR merge (not necessary imo).

    What I find a bit more surprising and to be honest also a tiny bit worrying is that also file _DSC8533 seems to have an ever so slight unevenness in the sky.
    And this file looks ok according to the histogram, but when I process it and save it as a quality 80/100 jpeg file it seems to fall ever so slightly apart in the blue sky, or is it just me seeing ghosts ?
    Jack - and Rob - what do you think about Mark's file number _DSC8534, is the file healthy in the sky rendering or is there some kind of problem with that file ?
    Steen, using ACR you can pull back on the exposure slider about two stops which seemingly retains all of the necessary detail and values file #8534. To be fair however I didn't do a very close examination just a quick look and see if it was salvageable and it appears to be. The sky seemed to hold up well under this scenario too.

    The advantage to this type of workflow, significant camera overexposure while pulling back on the exposure in raw conversion is that the darker or lower values move up the scale providing more bits of information. But its very image independent and in many cases delicate highlights are NOT recoverable using this method. Effectively it works best when the bulk of values are not at the extreme ends of the scale but rather more midtones such as Marks image here.

    In many ways this is reminiscent of the Zone system for black and white overexposed and under developed negatives.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markhout View Post
    Thanks Rob - this is about what I had visualized. Appreciate the work!

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    Very good. Let me know if you want the finished file can send it to you.

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    Apparently some of my file issues was post processing it seems. LR4 Vignetting didn't help. But I am not sure it's confined to that reason. Everything that happened occurred with my 28mm 1.4d mounted. UV filter, polarizer. Or maybe it is my raw file processor, I don't know. We'll see if I have these issues with my D3X and same basic processing soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by routlaw View Post
    Been meaning to post a few of my own images from a recent trip to NM. I seem to be stuck in B&W mode these days, but having fun with it non the less.

    Thanks for looking.

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    These are terrific Rob. Really.

    What are you shooting with these days?

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    These are terrific Rob. Really.

    What are you shooting with these days?
    Thanks Lloyd. Still using my lowly and humble ol' D4. All of these were done with either 24 PC, 45 PC or 85 PC. The locations which I forgot to describe are either at Salinas Pueblo National Monument or Bosque Del Apache wildlife refugee. At the time there were some 3000 + sandhill cranes there but by now there should be 10 times this many at over 30,000. It was quite the scene to say the least, unfortunately I don't have a VR lens to capture wildlife, let alones big birds in the air at their best.

    Oh and the first one was at Arches NP.

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    Still using the antique, eh? Well, I'm still using the D3s, and it's working so far.

    Thanks for the info, and that must have been pretty noisy with those Sandhills there? It would be fun to see and shoot that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photojazz View Post
    RVB, I experienced that same structured sky look with some photos I took with my D800E recently. I was not sure what to attribute it too, and I am not sure I looked at it at full rez. So, is that officially "banding" or is it banding like?

    Experts weigh in?

    I can pull up one of mine for examination as well... 28mm 1.4D/D800E Note, i did add the vignetting top corners.

    Hi.. It's banding alright,and caused by compressing the file into a small JPEG which makes it difficult for the image to contain the tonal graduations.. Adding some noise usually helps..

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    Still using the antique, eh? Well, I'm still using the D3s, and it's working so far.

    Thanks for the info, and that must have been pretty noisy with those Sandhills there? It would be fun to see and shoot that!
    Indeed we felt as though we had taken a step back into the Pleistocene Epoch. I've been to the Everglades but this was on an entirely different level. They are there through the winter as I understand it, well worth the effort to go see. There was definitely a cacophony of sound but not too noisy really.
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    F6 + 180 2.8 ED + Superia 100 + E6 + badly scanned

    Kind regards - Hulyss - hulyssbowman.com & LuSh
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    Some winter touch from today:



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    Here in the Northern Hemisphere, it's that time of year again!


    D800/Zeiss 21mm
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