Very Concerning Gaze! Well Caught & Processed Rayyan!
A slight change of focus for me
Rayyan, Stunning Beauty صديقى
Steve, it has taken me a long time and hard work to write from right to left!
I sincerely appreciate your kind words my friend.
p.s. best regards to your families from you know who!
Brotha...You are Lighting up the Forum with Brilliance!!! Right On Rayyan..Right On!!!
Long time since I've posted anything here. I mostly use the GH1 for travel these days, but yesterday, I had did some work for a chain of restaurants, and Nikon was the way to go. I even borrowed a D700 for the occasion. Lovely camera. Did the whole job with the 50/1.8 and 80-200/2.8 plus GH1 with 7-14 for wide shots. Here's one:
D700 with 80-200 f/2.8 @ 200mm, f/4 and ISO3200
The only downside of the D700, except size and weight, is skin tones, particularly in mixed lighting and high ISO, which was basically what this job was all about. Caucasians look yellow, and Asians yellow with a green tint. Adjusting WB doesn't seem to change it much either. But hey, I'm shooting indoor in a dimly lit restaurant, handheld at 200mm and f/4. I seem to remember that there were some issues with that 10 years ago
If you have the opportunity to go back to the same place with the same mixed lighting it would be interesting to take a similar capture this time with Set Picture Control: Neutral, or D2Xmode1, and then shoot a frame with a greycard for WB reference.
It ought to do the trick.
Steen, I forgot about that. What I don't get is why Nikon doesn't make that the default setting, since most photographers who have tried are apparently more happy with those settings than with the current default. Even my GH1 manages mixed lighting better than Nikon at defaults setting.
Will those settings work with RAW btw? I guess not...
The problem with the graycard and mixed lighting is that, once I move around, colour temperature changes. In practice, I shoot Auto or Incandescence settings and do WB adjustments during post. The problem is that often, before I have "unyellowed" the skin colours, the rest of the photo goes towards polar blue, and if I get caucasians right, the Asians turn green.
I am exaggerating a bit here, but again: the GH1 doesn't have the problem, and even the D80 was better in this respect.
Jorgen, the settings do work with RAW, at least provided you use a compatible RAW converter like Capture NX / NX2, or LightRoom, which according to Stuart Richardson also understands the Nikon Picture Control system.
It's also possible to change (e.g. choose another) Picture Control afterwards in the RAW converter software during post processing (conversion).
The Picture Controls are to be regarded as image processing settings. We can choose them in the camera and then the informations will be stored in the RAW file.
Or we can at a later stage choose them in the NX or LightRoom RAW converter. Provided we work with a RAW file, that is.
Basicly a jpeg file is already processed (converted), so in the RAW converter we have no longer access to choose another Picture Control setting when working with a jpeg file.
In my post # 114 in this thread I noted where to find the Optional Picture Controls if you do not already have them installed in your camera:
Once I've opened an image in Photoshop, the first thing I do is apply Auto Color. Eight times out of ten it comes back with a satisfactory result. Try it, you might like it.
Just because it's "auto" something, diehards think it's for wimps ...
By the way Jorgen, which firmware version is installed in the borrowed D700 camera ?
I think I recall that Corlan mentioned that the D700 colors were improved by the latest firmware update ...
I'll do some testing in the morning. Thank you both for your valuable input.
Fill it up..Caltex!! ( for those who remember )
Forum is going quite..
Can't allow that..
I often shoot in dim mixed light with high ISO, but I have found in RAW it is possible to clean the color up a lot, but I also figure that just getting the image with so little noise is such a miracle that I can forgive a little skin tone skew. I cannot recall at 3200 having that big of a problem but at 25,000 ISO it has been nearly impossible to make a neutral WB. But on the other hand, it wasn't the point, and a little noir feel to it added to the ambiance. The d700 is worth every ounce at those high ISO's. Joe
this is a multi-image stitch, equaling ~50 megapixels in full resolution. d300 + nikon shift 35mm
another multi-image stitch, from a different, slightly more precarious position...
Terrific photos, Rayyan.
Here's one for those looking for a table:
D700 with 80-200 AF-S @ 200mm and f/2.8
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On the other hand, after some loving care in ACR and Photoshop, the images don't look hopeless after all. This at ISO3200.
D700 with 80-200 AF-S @ 200mm, f/3.2, 1/80s, ISO3200, hand held
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Yes, I'd say that works, Jorgen. And she's a beauty!
ok... let's face it, i've left for so long that even the thread has changed. Not an easy one to catch up
Spent the last hour or so though looking at all the fantastic work posted on the board...
Rayyan, what can be said? I agree with all the well deserved praise, dunno what the ratio of new work and treasures from the vault, but you definitely raised the bar another notch in travel photography. A book? Needless to say, count me in for the first batch.
Steve, your monochrome portraits are always an true enchantment for the beholder. The short series, "art museum", "well balanced" and "come fly with me" just rock. And, Silly Brother might very well be the best family portrait i've seen in ages. Truly great work, brother.
Lloyd, splendid portraits and yea, you still have the most enviable porch view out there. Dramatic and well captured as always. You got some priceless family shots out there as well
Leif, Steen, superb scandinavian flavours... kudos to the minimalist graphic compositions (Leif), and the amazing IQ. Steen, while i understand Jorgen's remark about the small story on the railways, i concur with the analog like, Tri-X quality of the backlit shot. Nice stuuf, guys.
Well, could go on for pages... all additions deserve attention, Hermann's outstanding street work for composition, moment and humor (and IQ!) , Francesco's Masaļ, Joe's graphic studies, Darr, Frank, Matt, Matto and all, great, enjoyable work.
Fishing At The New England Aquarium..
D3, Nikon 8mm ais, ISO 1600-3200
One of your many, many brilliant photos.
Techically, as Steen pointed out, the first thing to check when getting a D700 is the FW version. Don't accept anything under v.1.02 -or update it youself. It was a significant improvment in regard to skin tones especially at higher ISO.
The default profile ("Standard") is usually not the best for high ISO work (though pretty convenient for all purpose, fast processing shots). D2X Mode 1 is good for many purposes, though in the specific matter of high ISO portraits i find the "Neutral" mode the most versatile choice at processing time.
What you say about the grey card in mixed lighting is true... otoh in LR/ACR though, once you've found a set of parameters suited for on eof the shots (typically "Sweets" just above), you might want to save this as a preset and try applying to the series. It might not be spot on for all the series, but from experience it's often a great help and serve as a good starting point for processing the other shots. Generally works better than grey card when moving around in a heavily mixed lighting environment.
Of course specific parameters such as exposure will vary, along with minor WB adjustments (within the +/- 200 °K usually).
Just my 0.02...
Steve, great eye fishing here!
(aren't some of these scary?)
Velvet Cloth? Sounds good!
Question though: will it be any help getting rid of those nasty flies?
slightly larger version here
D3X - 105VR - NX2 + b&w in PS