And yes as a wedding shooter the ISO stuff alone will blow your doors off. The detail is in the file no worries there. I have seen a lot less power doing weddings and I cringe when i see these folks shooting what they do. LOL
For a wedding guy looking for a edge on file quality I believe this is it.
You need some raws to look at I can load up some of these.
I would certainly as a wedding shooter get the best Nikon glass and all the G glass is seriously good. 24,35,85 the 70 -200, 14-24, 24-70 all have the speed and quality to them. I may have missed one or two but that is a good basic setup with these.
Rob, when I took the very last trivial test shots of a corner without much light, I suddenly had a bright moment and remembered to take them in 14 bit mode as well.
But it's a far less challenging histogram than the 'grand piano in white room' shot, so I don't know if it is of much help for your DR investigations.
Here are the two test shots both of them at ISO 100 (here I have added 50 out of 150 sharpness to the jpegs in Lightroom, no other tweaks).
I have both of them at ISO 1600, 3200 and 6400 as well if it's of any help to also post those higher ISO samples ?
12 bit at ISO 100
Link to the RAW file
click for native sized jpeg (6.5 Mb)
Nikon D800 • AF-S Nikkor 1.4/85mm G • 12 bit 1/10 sec. at f/4 ISO 100 • Lightroom 4
14 bit at ISO 100
Link to the RAW file
Can anybody show some more skin tone from the D800? Whats your guys feeling about color and skin tones with the D800 - lets say compared to the D700?
I am shooting in 14-bit and see no reason not to -- the cam is still extremely fast.
>Why not? With Nikon you get the choice of Adobe RGB or sRGB
Does not make a diff for the NEF file. It influences the in camera histogram though. On hte we it is best to use sRGB only for JPEGs.
>I am shooting in 14-bit and see no reason not to
And I am shooting sRGB for the jpeg output . I shoot raws to the CF and (medium) jpegs to the SD -- makes for easy sharing with the family or wife's iPad
Shooting Adobe RGB and at 14 bit but the jpeg in camera is really only for backup reasons. I will fill card than dump the jpegs after all the raws are secure. Nice having that second slot
Nikon 800 with Nikon 14-24mm at 15mm
ISO 6400, f/6, 1/160 sec
Quick processing from JPEG file
Perhaps on some images the difference might show up more readily, but in any case it would appear the 14 bit path allows for more post production data to work with. With difficult images to edit perhaps this would serve some advantage.
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i'm not as well versed as you guys on photography or these issues, but shooting sRGB vs Adobe for the jpeg is not even agreed upon to editorials submitting to top wire services--the other night i surveyed the folks in the press room and it was mixed....(oh, they were submitting the jpegs of course)
I usually send clients for viewing on there systems SRGB in one folder and in another for offset printers a folder with profoto full res tifs. Most monitors on folks desktops or laptops are more SRGB
>so to me at least for now, sRGB seems a little more safe.
I think so too.
Agreed with above posts...sRGB is safer for most clients although I now cringe a bit in still having to shoot and work in that color space, even though at best they are just back-up files. I suspect like many, there will be a day in the not too distant furture when the dominant color space for most devices including viewing will be the wider ganut of Adobe RGB.
I downloaded the piano photo to see the noise for myself and honest I can't see what the fuss is about. it's certainly far better overall than the 5D MKII and no worse considering the huge increase in resolution than the D700 at base ISO. I'm making judgements based on using both of these cameras and processing the D800 sample as I'd do to get it how I like. If I shot this scene with tranny I'd be left with an almost two tone waste of film. I guess seeing as I primarily use film that is what really matters.
Sorry if I ask again but could anybody comment on skintones and overall color of the D800 files?
And does anybody here uses bot the D4 and D800 and could comment on how they feel a) the files and b) the camera does compare?
I still have all that Nikon glass and my D700..
I am mostly interested about Color and overall look of the images of the new cameras.
Thanks for any feedback!
Okay folks now for some images . I honestly did not do too much here as far as processing as I want you to see the images as mostly coming out of the cam not my processing expertise. Mostly just a little sharpening and exposure control. Nothing special as far as shooting I was in San Juan Capistrano mission with my wife spending the day together and it was overcast and a little ugly out but it is what it is and I got to work this cam a little. Before I go any further I am pretty impressed with it. It truly is the best 35mm Nikon/Canon I have ever shot.
I have a bunch so this may get spread out a little
This one with 14-24 at ISO 200 at 5.6
Same lens and ISO at 16mm at 5.6
This one with 14-24 at ISO 200 at 5.6
24mm at F11 this time. These are all handheld BTW
15mm setting at 6.3
19mm at 6.3
Change in lens the 35mm 1.4G this one shot at 1.6 ISO 200
35mm at F5 .
BTW I am pretty damn smitten with the 35mm 1.4 G lens a lot like a Leica 35mm R 1.4 summilux but without the ghosting. Nice tonal graduation in the lens
This is the 180mm at F5 and it still was not tuned perfectly which yesterday I got it all tuned dead on here it was 9 points off but still not bad. I am going back out and shoot some real images with it. Its really my only concern lens of my set which includes 14-24, 35 1.4 G, 50 1.8G which I have not shot yet, 85 1.4 G and the 180
35mm at F8 which i shot this for color only
Here we have some high ISO stuff
14-24 lens at 16mm F5.6 at ISO 3200
same lens at 24mm 5.6 ISO 1600
14mm at F5 ISO 4000
14mm at F3.2 ISO 4000
24mm at F8 ISO 1600
Thank you for the pictures!
Is it that I'm reading this thread on a laptop screen, or are all the red patches almost monochromatic. It looks like there is subtlety in every other color, but there is only one Red. This holds for the outdoor umbrellas as well as the indoor shots.
Must be the laptop...
Good catch. As I mentioned in the D800 v MF thread, tonal separation -- especially in the reds and somewhat still in the greens -- is still problematic, at least as compared to MF capture. It's one of several reasons why this camera cannot replace MF for me.
The issue is not with Nikon and the D800, but rather the methods that DxO uses to assess the cameras. Based on this image they seem rubbish to me. A camera that truly had a DR of 14.4 f-stops should have smooth as butter imagery in all 3 channels at these values and feel very confident in stating my D3 and D4 would have, let alone my Betterlight scan back with its very fat 12 micron sensor.
By comparison one of the first test I did with my D4 was a 30 second and 1 minute exposure inside our house at night using only the house incandescent lights with no auxiliary lighting. Effectively this was a non event with noise.
I have a D800 coming to me on demo/loan this weekend and will do the same setup. Be interesting to see the comparisons.
Interesting though that you don't even mention Sony or Olympus (or Fuji come to that) It seems to me that Canon and Nikon trail all three of them in terms of colour rendition - I still think that the A900 does better than anything else for smaller format colour (and yes, that means better than the M9). You don't mention Olympus either (maybe they aren't worth mentioning?) but they do well with colour rendition, and whatever the practical shortcomings of the new Fuji cameras, there doesn't seem to be much room for criticism of the IQ or colour rendition.
Personally I'm cautiously impressed with the D800, but I want to see some shots taken in evening light before I'd even consider biting.
Just this guy you know
Not sure those umbrellas are truly red but more a burgundy tone. One problem all weekend was i never really got full sun so i am a little hesitant on colors until we get this under bright light a little more. I guess just a little early to call it. But there are going to be some nits for sure and we just need to find all of them. On color we can also make presets and such to fine tune this stuff. Not overly concerned yet on that. On the inside shots folks I shot daylight under tungsten light so yes it will be warm. I did not switch to tungsten on the camera. I did however on some lower the color temp. So not critical color so be aware of that end.
Routlaw: FTR I do not believe DXo test results have any relation to how well one can render final images. For that you have to look at the combined effects of capture and processing.
Jono: I was never bowled over by Sony reds, and especially skin, but agree their greens were decent.
On DXO it is meaningless to me without final processing from good raw converters . To me it means zilch until you have a final high res tiff that has been processed correctly. I'm sorry but i am just a final image junkie on this stuff. I could care less whats going on before it hits the processor. DXO takes none of that into account. Sorry harsh cold reality. This is about Art and science is only a part of the art. Flame suit on. LOL
But the consensus here is that DXO's metrics correlate poorly. This is unfortunate, but it doesn't mean that the whole enterprise is folly. Just DXO's particular approach to it leaves much to be desired.
why I don't pay attention to DXO to be honest. I don't like the approach
Okay some more images the 35mm 1.4 G wide open. And yes I drank it all but a very busy background but you folks need to see this stuff.
another of the same
Switching gears the 180mm and I'm still on the fence. I fined tuned it better after this so reason i need to get out again with it. But not bad
ISO 250 wide open in crap overcast light
This one at 3.2
Than switching to the 85 1.4 G wide open
Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.
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Here the sun is out but still pretty diffused.
Thats it for now , need to get out and shoot in better light no doubt to evalute this cam better. But its a start
Guy, what do you think of the colors compared to MF? From what I'm seeing in the photos, it still has the 35mm CMOS look. The dynamic range is very likely real, but one thing I've love about MF and CCD look is the colors. It's very hard to reproduce the look in post processing. It's just a preference.
I'll show you in the morning taking them both for a ride. Lol