Guy Mancuso
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35mm at F8 which i shot this for color only
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Hi Jack . . . I thought the reds and greens was a Nikon problem?Matt,
Good catch. As I mentioned in the D800 v MF thread, tonal separation -- especially in the reds and somewhat still in the greens -- is still problematic, at least as compared to MF capture. It's one of several reasons why this camera cannot replace MF for me.
Greens have been a DIGITAL problem all along, but MF cracked it a few generations back. To date, neither Nikon or Canon or even Leica has totally cracked it. Leica M9 remains IMHO best in smaller format cameras, with this new Nikon right behind it. Reds may be the raw converter, so I am holding back on full judgement until I have more time with the files. I can tell you it aint MF skin tone quality under any circumstance...Hi Jack . . . I thought the reds and greens was a Nikon problem?
I don't necessarily disagree with your comments but don't have any experience with the 5D MKII. My concerns have been based solely from DxO test results claiming this camera to have a DR of 14.4 EVS. If you flatten or zero out all adjustments in LR or ACR beta 6.7, eliminate noise reduction, USM et al, all three RGB channels do have significant amount of noise. The RGB values (with noise) in the piano range from single digits up to the low 20's but it gets worse by running up the fill light 100%, reducing contrast by 50% and pushing the recovery to 100% in order to decrease the contrast and bring up values. Those values then are in the 30's, 40's and 50's. Considering this image is made in broad daylight at base ISO shot at 1/60th of a second (hardly slow enough to need noise reduction in the first place) these results don't add up to the DxO scores. I would hope DxO does not employ noise reduction to test cameras, otherwise the results are skewed even further.I downloaded the piano photo to see the noise for myself and honest I can't see what the fuss is about. it's certainly far better overall than the 5D MKII and no worse considering the huge increase in resolution than the D700 at base ISO. I'm making judgements based on using both of these cameras and processing the D800 sample as I'd do to get it how I like. If I shot this scene with tranny I'd be left with an almost two tone waste of film. I guess seeing as I primarily use film that is what really matters.
Hi Jack - I was being flippant, but it's true that a dislike for Nikon colour has stopped me jumping on this particular bandwagon (been there 3 times and always come to the same conclusion).Greens have been a DIGITAL problem all along, but MF cracked it a few generations back. To date, neither Nikon or Canon or even Leica has totally cracked it. Leica M9 remains IMHO best in smaller format cameras, with this new Nikon right behind it. Reds may be the raw converter, so I am holding back on full judgement until I have more time with the files. I can tell you it aint MF skin tone quality under any circumstance...
Guy,
Thank you for the pictures!
Is it that I'm reading this thread on a laptop screen, or are all the red patches almost monochromatic. It looks like there is subtlety in every other color, but there is only one Red. This holds for the outdoor umbrellas as well as the indoor shots.
Must be the laptop...
--Matt
Well, it doesn't HAVE to be a numbers vs. eyes dichotomy. When the perceptual science is good, the metrics correlate very well with subjective experience.This is about Art and science is only a part of the art. Flame suit on. LOL
For my taste this particular image is the best of all in this thread regarding color, tones and overall look.This is the 180mm at F5 and it still was not tuned perfectly which yesterday I got it all tuned dead on here it was 9 points off but still not bad. I am going back out and shoot some real images with it. Its really my only concern lens of my set which includes 14-24, 35 1.4 G, 50 1.8G which I have not shot yet, 85 1.4 G and the 180
Its the only one with the sun partly out. You need to pay attention to some of my comments as to color I shot all weekend under a cloud. There is no real punch until we hit the sun. Thats with any cam.For my taste this particular image is the best of all in this thread regarding color, tones and overall look.