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    Really, really need to sell some things.... this camera and all these image samples are really making it hard to resist.

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    Re: Nikon Df

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    ... and as per usual DPreview have tried their very best to extinguish all interest in this camera by a collection of lack-lustre and on occasion outrageously ludicrous photographs. Why on earth do manufacturers continue to let these bozos exhibit their kit?

    Just my two cents

    LouisB

    PS Joe Marquez has already sold me on the camera in a way DPreview never could.
    Louis, I was not looking at the Pictures to get an artistic experience, for that purpose I look other Places...just looking for how that camera render....take a look at that Little green scooter...its in fact very 3-dimensional articulated, and another thing, that 24-85 isn't that bad on a Df.
    just that.
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    Re: Nikon Df

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    ... and as per usual DPreview have tried their very best to extinguish all interest in this camera by a collection of lack-lustre and on occasion outrageously ludicrous photographs. Why on earth do manufacturers continue to let these bozos exhibit their kit?

    Just my two cents

    LouisB

    PS Joe Marquez has already sold me on the camera in a way DPreview never could.
    Bob and Joe impressed me with their offerings. As for the dp revs, whatever is a volume seller on Amaxon (their owners) will be given a platinum rating. Not worth the bother.
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    Glad you are enjoying the Df images. I too enjoy Bob's lovely work with the Df. Here are a few shots in low light with the 24/1.4g. Downtown Los Angeles at the Biltmore. All handheld, underexposed and pushed in post with a little clarity and noise reduction added (about 10 to 20). Here you go:

    f/5 @ 24 mm, 1/40, ISO 1600


    f/4 @ 24 mm, 1/80, ISO 3200


    f/2.8 @ 24 mm, 1/80, ISO 3200


    f/2 @ 24 mm, 1/80, ISO 6400 (focus on wall)


    f/3.5 @ 24 mm, 1/160, ISO 9000
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    [QUOTE=The Smoking Camera;554210]Glad you are enjoying the DF images. I too enjoy Bob's lovely work with the Df. Here are a few shots in low light with the 24/1.4g. Downtown Los Angeles at the Biltmore.

    Joe,

    You are killing me...love the pictures...we are digging out of a major ice storm and I have not had time to even look at the camera.

    Is Checkers still across the street from the Biltmore? There are some unbelievable views from the roof and as I recall the bar/lounge was fabulous.

    Do you prefer the 24 1.4 to the 12-24 zoom and the 21 ZF.2?

    Regards,

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    Hey Bob, Sorry about the snowstorms. If you think I am killing you now, wait til I post some bikini beach shots back in Hawaii. Not sure about Checkers, but I do believe it is there. My wife and I stayed at the Doubletree Hilton near Little Tokyo and one evening walked over to Pershing Square (ice skating) and stepped inside the Biltmore where I took these shots. Never made it to the roof. I enjoy the view from the Standard Hotel but didn't make it this time.

    I don't have the 12-24 or the Zeiss. I do have the 14-24 which I adore. I think the 14-24 and D800 are a great match, but I have not tried it with the Df. So far, I've only been shooting with the 24g and 58g. Fits snugly in my small leather camera bag and makes for a nice lightweight one two punch.

    Hope it warms up for you soon.
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    Joe,

    14-24 is the lens I meant...have been away from Nikon too long it seems. A big lens and the 24 looks to cover the WA wonderfully for the Df.

    At this point the Doubletree Hilton would be much more my style that the Checkers bit...but it does have a nice lounge.

    And those Hawaii shots...I prefer the locals and your shots of the skydivers(?) and surfers. Have you done any work near the observatory on Mauna Kea? I imagine it has unbelievable views of the terrain in addition to those of the universe.

    Df really does punch above its entry level price in my opinion...need more time to work with it so that it is a bit more transparent in use.

    Regards,

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    Hey with all the ice snow and cold we're having...what's wrong with some bikini shots to warm us up. Doesn't really matter who's wearing them...As long as we see warmth .

    Joe, Bob and others posting shots from the Df...Thank you. Great shots all around and greatly appreciated.
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    Will try to take the Df to the beach to get some warm weather shots later this week.
    In the meantime here's something from Venice Beach this past weekend.
    Actually, a little cool in LA, as you can tell from her mix and match outfit.
    The body builder took of his sweats for this shot.
    And Santa's helpers seemed comfortably warm in their little outfits.
    Enjoy and stay warm.

    Df and 58g


    Df and 58g


    Df and 24g
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Joe,

    14-24 is the lens I meant...have been away from Nikon too long it seems. A big lens and the 24 looks to cover the WA wonderfully for the Df.

    At this point the Doubletree Hilton would be much more my style that the Checkers bit...but it does have a nice lounge.

    And those Hawaii shots...I prefer the locals and your shots of the skydivers(?) and surfers. Have you done any work near the observatory on Mauna Kea? I imagine it has unbelievable views of the terrain in addition to those of the universe.

    Df really does punch above its entry level price in my opinion...need more time to work with it so that it is a bit more transparent in use.

    Regards,

    Bob
    Got it Bob. The 24 is my go-to small WA. I did some surf shooting years ago, but not too much recently. Some nice sets expected this weekend so maybe. Haven't shot at Mauna Kea, but I have some friends who've done amazing work there. I go through periods where I go off island to shoot. Usually with a new lens or camera. So much to shoot in Hawaii, but never enough time.
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    Lightroom 5.3, now with Df support!
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    Add Camera Raw and DNG Converter


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    Here are a few shots from the Df at 1600 ISO equivalent...NX2-->LR/PS.


    Nikon Df Nikon 105 F2 DC



    Soliloquy







    Decoys on Glass







    Candlesticks






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    Same as above:



    Nikon Df Nikon 105 F2 DC



    Skis







    Lightshow






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    Bob, really like "Lightshow". Truly, it's the photographer, not the equipment, but I'll probably rent this body at some point to check into that "magic"..
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    I agree with John, no doubt the sensor is great but these shots are down to your skills Bob, fantastic!

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    Thank you all for your kind comments.

    Some cameras let you see and respond/interact with subject and light better than others...this one does it very well. After a number of small cameras with big lenses I have returned to a medium body with good OVF that I can see with my corrective lenses without much difficulty.

    Now I am reexploring glass for the Nikon mount...ZF.2s but also those less than perfect lenses that show a bit of character....



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    Interesting. I can't see any of Bob's (docmoore) photographs. I looked using both Chrome and IE and both browsers show the titles, some space and nothing else.

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    My bad Louis,

    I tend to move things out fairly quickly...have not had much light worth exploring as we dug out from a major ice storm last week.


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    Re: Nikon Df

    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    My bad Louis,

    I tend to move things out fairly quickly...have not had much light worth exploring as we dug out from a major ice storm last week.


    Bob
    ...there must be some Pictures from that..(!!!)...(???)...
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    Re: Nikon Df

    There's no doubt the sensor in the Df is great. I have a D4 and love it.

    I went to my local dealer and played with the silver Df for a few minutes. The knobs felt plastic and cheap. The lockout on the exposure comp knob gets in the way of usability. The body is thick and the grip is small. Nope, not for me. IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    My bad Louis,

    I tend to move things out fairly quickly...have not had much light worth exploring as we dug out from a major ice storm last week.


    Bob
    Bob

    Thanks for letting me know. I actually thought it must be a problem with my PC. Good luck with the Df - the results I have seen so far look superb.

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    Walkabout today....

    Couple from the Df and 58 1.4 All at F 4.0 as light was fairly intense and needed to stay under 1/4000.


    Nikon Df Nikon 58 1.4


    Color on Fence







    Fence Posts Down






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    Same as above



    Nikon Df Nikon 58 1.4



    Tree in Detail







    Ducks Rising





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    A few winter scenes with the Df....


    Nikon Df and Zeiss 50 F 2 ZF.2



    Downed Tree at Lake







    Winter Tree and Creek







    Shoreline and Tree Stumps






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    Same theme.....



    Nikon Df Zeiss 50 F 2 ZF.2



    Old Oaks in Winter Detail







    Looking For a Game







    Tree and Lichen






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    Re: Nikon Df

    How come that one end up with such a "test"?
    I thought that Ming Thein was a serious man
    Tested: the 2013 Nikon Df
    this is hard to take seriously
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    It is a polarizing camera ... some things great some less so.

    I think many of us have set our expectations way too high for cameras and in that we tend to remember our past flawed cameras (F3HP etc) with pleasant nostalgic feelings the bar is indeed very high.

    Ming's comments about less than robust build quality really do touch an area of concern...comparing a D800 D4 to the Df shows it in a somewhat unfavorable light. As I tend not to drive nails with mine ... I have hopes it will survive for the short period of time until the next great thing appears.

    Personal comfort with a camera is very important...if it did not work there are others that probably will.

    I do believe that the optical viewfinder could have been a bit better...with replaceable screen.

    Forget the retro...marketing attracted too much attention to this aspect of a very good moderately priced camera. It was not meant to appeal to everyone.

    TO ME Image quality is as good as I want to make it...the right technique, glass and light and it sings.

    Not a lot of love for this as the A7(r)s have captured everyone's imagination...whether they are best served by them is a call they will need to make.


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    Re: Nikon Df

    I agree re Df robustness (if that's a word) being somewhat on the marginal side. But I bought it for the D4 sensor in a lighter weight package -- I don't have much interest in schlepping a D4 on a typical travel trip. For me, I've set it up to function like my D800's, so the dials and lockouts are non issues. So I net it down to this:

    It's a great low-light walk-around/travel/street camera that also has a somewhat cool, retro look that may appeal to some.
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    The camera was bound to be polarizing. Some wanted a true retro DLSR with possibly no rear LCD, no live view and as close to emulating past favorite Nikon film SLR's, complete with interchangeable focusing screens. Others wanted a robustly built modern day albeit smaller DSLR with the D4 sensor in a smaller package such as the D700 was to the Nikon D3....with none of the retro controls nor possibly it's current look.

    I felt for quite some time Nikon had been contemplating dipping it's food into the growing pseudo rangefinder interchangeable market ala mirrorless cameras incorporating a full frame 35mm sensor but with a new dedicated lens mount and dedicated line of lenses.

    I believe they felt this and similar segments of the market was getting crowded so therefore decided to make a single model full frame DSLR that used their current F mount lenses and instead compromised on being both retro and modern to appeal to as wide a segment of the market as possible without as big a financial commitment as they otherwise might have needed to make by following any other route.

    The Df ended up sort of being a jack of all trades and master of none in certain regards. If taken on it's own and nothing more, its a very capable camera with all sorts of areas/features people wish they had done differently. If compared to other Nikon cameras both past and present, many will find too many faults to consider purchasing, not to mention it's current price point.

    Just some personal thoughts.

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    Re: Nikon Df

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    It's a great low-light walk-around/travel/street camera that also has a somewhat cool, retro look that may appeal to some.
    Thats the way I look at it too. The retro aspects of the camera weren't that important to me.
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    Really about IQ...is that not why we struggle to find just the right combination of
    camera lens Raw processor?

    Nikon Df Nikon 105 F 2 DC



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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Really about IQ...is that not why we struggle to find just the right combination of
    camera lens Raw processor?

    Bob
    It is Bob and on that account the Df greatly succeeds in my opinion. Image quality on almost all accounts leaves little to complain about but implementation, ergonomics, price point is where the controversy lies and opinions on how it should have been done vary.

    Although not as sexy or creative, I somehow feel Nikon might have appealed to a wider audience if they released two separate variants. The first being a baby D4 body with similar features and capability much akin to what the Nikon D700 was to the Nikon D3. In other words a modern up to date DSLR body similar in style and layout to the Nikon D700/D800/D600 type bodies.

    The second variant would be more of a purest camera along the lines of the current Df, but taking it a step further to incorporate features, style and layout that are representative of a classic film era SLR camera that is specifically designed to take advantage of manual focus lenses (ie: interchangeable focusing screens etc.) and who's manual controls are intuitive and easy to change on the fly, similar to the ergonomics and handling of some of the many of the beloved Nikon manual focus film era SLR's. Not an easy task and of course some compromises have to be made in deference to the digital aspects of the camera.

    By trying to squeeze a little of both variants into a single body, alienated more than a few and criticism was bound to fly, as unfortunate as it might be to the Df's success.

    The posted pics from the Df (yours and others) certainly speak to the image capabilities of this camera and in that respect most can agree that it's certainly a success.

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    Re: Nikon Df

    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Although not as sexy or creative, I somehow feel Nikon might have appealed to a wider audience if they released two separate variants.
    Dave, with all due respect, they do have two variants -- one is called a Df and the other is called a D4. If you want the sensor and don't like the looks or control layout of the Df, buy a D4. If you don't like the price of either, buy a D610.

    End of day it's a tool. When it's in my hands and up to my eye, I don't see the dials, knobs or retro look, what I see is a viewfinder virtually identical to my D800's; and then I have main control buttons in close enough proximity to where they are on my D800's I don't need to hunt for them. Yes it feels a little smaller in my hands, but that does not alter how seamlessly it works for me.

    I personally think Nikon hit it out of the park with this cam, even though it seems a little over-priced -- but in reality I believe it is a function of relativity, where the D800 was under-priced. I respect others opinions may vary, but it works for many as-is, myself included...
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    Jack, it is a tool and that's how I view it and other Nikon DSLR's I use. I think you might have greatly misinterpreted what I expressed in my postings. I most definitely am on the side of admiring the Df for exactly what it is and how it performs, not only image wise but how Nikon tried to implement things on this body for it's intended use! I'm already putting one extensively through it's paces and will not hesitate to purchase one although I think it probably could have been priced a bit lower.

    My comments regarding Nikon's choice not to build two new (not one), more compact variants of the D4 sensor containing camera stems from all the comments written by those who wished Nikon designed things differently with regards to the Df and I can see their point of view too. Some (other than those wanting a classically designed DSLR along the lines of a film era camera), simply wanted a scaled down D4 body such as the D700 was to the D3 and I don't believe the D610 is that body, nor is the Df. The differences between the D4 and Df does leave a lot of room for a baby D4. Such a body would be designed along the lines of a D700 or D800 and would be at home where a more compact body than a D4 is desired when shooting multiple bodies in a venue. Been there and done that and although I've had multiple D3/D3s hanging from my neck at one time, capable fast shooting low light (read D4 sensor performing) smaller bodies on the order of the size and design of the D700 or D800 are most welcomed.

    As the D800 stands, it doesn't fit in with use under the conditions I outlined nor others I've conversed with that were hoping for such a body. Just like the days of having a D2H and D2x simultaneously, now there are those that would simply like to have a similar sized D800 and a Baby D4 body together to utilize for certain jobs. Again differently designed and sized bodies are targeted for different purposes and there is a market for both I believe.

    Again utilizing the Df in the way it was primarily intended and designed, I agree...Nikon hit a home run and no doubt I'll be using one...but it's control dials and certain other design features doesn't lend for shooting in the types of circumstances I described and work in. For better or worse that leave only one choice if no less than 16MP is desired for the best performance in low light work...and that is the D4.

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    Re: Nikon Df

    Small addendum to my comments about the Df....

    I really do not use the high ISO capability of the Df often....traveling in W Africa and certain pubs in the UK it will be used...however there is a certain organic wholeness the the way it images....like the D3 D3s 1D 1Dx even at low ISO equivalents that I love.

    Almost not CMOS in presentation....perhaps it will with the newer Sony chips allow us explore light and color as we imagine it without a film or filter covering its perception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Small addendum to my comments about the Df....

    I really do not use the high ISO capability of the Df often....traveling in W Africa and certain pubs in the UK it will be used...however there is a certain organic wholeness the the way it images....like the D3 D3s 1D 1Dx even at low ISO equivalents that I love.

    Almost not CMOS in presentation....perhaps it will with the newer Sony chips allow us explore light and color as we imagine it without a film or filter covering its perception.

    Bob
    Again it comes back to image quality with the Df....whether it's the low light capabilities or it's use at or near base ISO. This isn't questioned for the most part. It's simply whether Nikon implemented the design and features of this camera in the way most would have liked or need. The previous sentence is stated as a rhetorical question, not a commentary one way or another regarding my own opinion on this camera.

    Like most other things, if it's a success or Nikon sees there is a bigger market share for the image characteristics or capabilities of a downsized D4 sensor based camera....maybe there will be more diverse implementations with regards to bodies incorporating this sensor to choose from. The recent spate of Nikon DSLR's have much improved high ISO performance but there are times when the absolute best quality at these ISO's is needed or required.


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    Re: Nikon Df

    Dave, was just commenting, didn't mean to offend or sound offended! My comment was my own filter talking and I apologize. My bias is I personally am a little tired of the sort of the relatively common complaint of "If they had just done this or that and priced it lower, I would buy it!" I see it as a sort of backhanded "bashing" that seems to occur whenever a camera manufacturer -- any of them -- brings out a new cam regardless of what it is.

    /rant and sorry for any offense,
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    Jack, no problem whatsoever....that's what productive discussions are for. I've heard (and read) all the hoopla this camera has generated in terms of what it is or could have been. For the 1st of it's kind in this genre of retro 35mm DSLR (full frame no less), it was bound to create a wide diversity of opinion generating much debate...although this usually happens with any landmark camera. Why I think it might have touched a nerve with some, is the two widely divergent camps. One group wanted it to be much more of a purest retro with more than a cursory nod to film era SLR's by truly emulating many of the capabilities of the best of the Nikon manual focus film era cameras. Alternatively the other group wanted that D4 sensor put into a more moderately sized D700/D800 type body with many of the major capabilities of the D4. Of course its impossible to accomplish both group's objectives in a single body and therefore I believe lies the outcry by some.

    The Df in my opinion should be taken on it's own merits and not compared to any camera past or present and in that respect is for the most part except for a few changes I might wish for, is a joy to use and travel with not to mention it's superb image quality. On these fronts Nikon as you say hit a home run. Again I appreciate the lively discussion.

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    Trust me, shoot the Df in crappy low light and you'll understand why it's such a great contender as the replacement for the D3s and D700. Those who don't understand the versatility of this camera and are compelled to dive in to the bottomless resolution pit of the D800(& E) and A7/A7r won't see the benefit of the Df as the shoot anywhere, any time camera that it is.

    The fixation of high resolution with 2013's poster child the D800/D800e and now the current new replacement of the A7r amuse me. Take some real pictures folks vs being beholden to measurebating. IMHO
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    Photography is about light & emotion, high resolution is nice to have, but not so important.
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    My first thought about the Df was it's a gimmick, but after reading more about it, and seeing the black version in a nice half case, I was intrigued. Lots of metal, and an easy camera to carry around! Actually, quite good as a camera to hike with if space and weight are a factor. I want to know more about the weather resistance as compared to a D800/D4. I own the D800 and think it has the best dynamic range of any camera i ever used, and simply amazing for landscapes, but often I shoot winter sports and need a light BU camera too. I personally i think 16 - 24 mega pixels is the best sensor size for today's lenses, aside from the OTUS. The DF has lot's of character and I loved my old Leica's because of the retro look and feel, and the DF gives me that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Trust me, shoot the Df in crappy low light and you'll understand why it's such a great contender as the replacement for the D3s and D700. Those who don't understand the versatility of this camera and are compelled to dive in to the bottomless resolution pit of the D800(& E) and A7/A7r won't see the benefit of the Df as the shoot anywhere, any time camera that it is.

    The fixation of high resolution with 2013's poster child the D800/D800e and now the current new replacement of the A7r amuse me. Take some real pictures folks vs being beholden to measurebating. IMHO
    Graham, I most heartily agree with almost all you expressed except for one point. Putting aside image quality for a moment, the reason the Df in my opinion isn't a contender as a direct replacement for a D3s or D700 is simply this: Those cameras have/had been workhorses for many in the serious/pro sports, PJ and theater & arts shooing, where fast paced capture with equally fast AF tracking and sometimes extremely low light shooting (or a combination of all three) was required, not to mention quick on the fly changes in operational setting on the camera during difficult shooting senario's (often in near darkness). Having a wider spread of Af sensors also is a boon to those types of situations.

    The Df wasn't designed with this in mind nor should it be expected that it should have been. So image quality wise, it most certainly is a more than adequate replacement for those two aforementioned cameras and can certainly hold it's own and even superseded them in a number of areas, especially where image quality is concerned. Where it also excels at in my opinion, is the joy of having a a camera that smaller, lighter, extremely capable and harkins back to the day where all controls could be looked at by a simple glance without having to touch any button or wheel. There is so much to like about this camera and how it performs and handles.

    As I stated in my previous two postings (above and recently revised), I feel it has created it's own genre of camera which really can't be compared to any other 35mm DSLR and has to be evaluated on its own merits....and in that case it's a great success in my eyes.

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    Re Df DR (and noise)

    Not the greatest image, but an example to post for noise and DR. This is straight out of cam via C1, NO added processing for color, contrast, sharpening or NR, basically straight out of cam as shot with AWB. It is taken inside a very dark bar in Genoa, NV, hand-held using my 28/1.4, 1/30 @ f2.8 at ISO 5000:



    C1 exposure evaluation suggested it was 0.3 stops underexposed. I pushed it 2 full stops for an effective ISO 20,000(!), with the same (no) settings as above. Here is a crop of the old boot in the shadow of the buffalo at effective ISO 20,000:



    Yes it's noisy to nearly unusable at pixel level, but color and DR hold surprisingly well IMHO, and shows how good this sensor is at low light. I could no doubt improve this image significantly with some careful processing and NR application, but that wasn't the point and this image isn't worth the effort
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    A few shots from this afternoon: Df with Ais 2,8/28mm, 800 ISO, NX2 and some Silver Efex 2







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    Re: the comments above that resolution is not important...

    There is a place for high resolution. My "small" print is 20x30 and my preferred
    print size is 40x60. I know, I am a "rarity" (both for predominately printing my
    images rather than posting them online, and for the size of the prints). So, my
    need for a D800E or a A7R is based on the reality of my client's needs. I do use
    non-autofocus lenses such as leica's adapted to the D800E and am interested in
    doing the same on the A7R. But, I find manual focus on the D800E "less than ideal."
    I was hoping the Df would be higher in resolution and
    be the smaller, easier to focus manually, camera to substitute for the D800E.
    But that is not the case, and as I said, I am a small minority so I understand Nikon's
    decision to spec the Df for a larger market share. Perhaps they will release a D4X
    with improved view finder, maybe interchangeable screens.

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    I too often have to print large for clients of images with an extreme amount of small detail. There is a place and time for both a higher resolution camera and one that puts an emphasis on higher ISO performance. Many photographers are in a similar situation and that's why DSLR bodies are highly subjective when choosing one for particular requirements.

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    As Dave implies, there is a case for using the right tool for the right job. I wouldn't use a fine chisel as a screwdriver ...
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    As Dave implies, there is a case for using the right tool for the right job. I wouldn't use a fine chisel as a screwdriver ...
    I would...LOL! But seriously, I sometimes do have an issue when someone takes issue with another when they say a popular camera as good as it might be, simply isn't capable or can't do a job with the proper efficiency or performance for their intended use. It brings to mind a very popular Pentax DSLR many years ago which as capable as it might have been for the majority of its users, failed miserably with severe mis focusing with the majority of its high end lenses simply because under certain artifical wavelengths of stage lighting, the AF would act erratic. It's AF under low light conditions would simply cease to function.

    Those that never encountered these issues would exclaim they saw no problems with the camera. Even Pentax Corp which I had a strong working relationship with acknowledge these were severe shortcomings of this particular camera. Eventually others shooting in similar venues also voiced their complaints.

    As Graham so aptly expressed, it's simply selecting the right tool for a given job.

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    D&A- "I sometimes do have an issue when someone takes issue with another when they say a popular camera as good as it might be, simply isn't capable or can't do a job with the proper efficiency or performance for their intended use."

    Yeah, I know what you mean.

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