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More from Corona Arch:
(Obligatory postcard shot) A little later that morning, and from the opposite side:
D3, 14-24/2.8 @ 24mm f13:
Did I say it was pretty big? Well, maybe not so much:
D3, 14-24/2.8 @ 24mm f13:
Actually... Here's my wife at the base of the arch:
D3, 70-200/2.8 VRII @ 70mm f13:
One more, and I'll move on.
D3, 28-70/2.8 VRII @ 70mm f2.8:
Corlan: There's some nice old cabin cruisers in this marina. As I type this, i can see the Westwood (late lunch break).
Lloyd: Some day. The new Moab shots are great. The third shot with your wife at the base of the arch really describes the scale of these thing. Very cool.
Here's a couple that I really struggled with. I'm posting the B&W's too; but, I believe that they're too harsh (as are the color shots). The lighting and time of day sucked. Maybe, they're irredeemable. Any suggestions would be appreciated. BTW the little power boat is named "Size Matters". Apparently not much. Cheers, Matt.
D700; 70-200mm f/2.8 VRII; 200mm; 1/1000s @ f/13; ISO 640
Another shot from along the Colorado River yesterday morning. Slightly different framing from the prior shot. (I tried a processing suggestion from Steen, leaving the color balance on Daylight, which makes sense, since I would have used daylight film for this in "the old days". Also, I tried to open up the shadow areas just a little more than in the prior shot.
p.s., I couldn't avoid the branches without setting up in the river, which in the near darkness, and given the very muddy water, so that the depth was very uncertain, didn't seem like a smart idea.
D3, 28-70/2.8 @ 70mm f8, ISO 200
Last edited by Lloyd; 22nd March 2010 at 13:30.
Nice, warm 7 o'clock in the morning colors, Lloyd.
A rather dramatic improvement I think. At least on my screen.
Beautiful image. I'm fine with the branches in the foreground.
Matt, if you think the contrasts are too harsh, here is what I'd do (using PS CS3/4):
Adjusting the RAW file in ACR:
Increase recovery (default is 0) and/or decrease blacks (default is 5).
Adjusting the jpeg file in PS:
Choose Image - Adjustments - Curves. Choose one of the contrast presets in the drop-down menu. Inverse the S-shape of the curve, so that the highlights are getting darker and dark areas brighter.
I also tried to convert the first colour photo with PS b&w conversion (Image - Adjustments - Black & White), and by keeping the standard settings, got a less contrasty results with much more detail in the shadow areas. I can post it here if you want.
However, there are two strange things in that first photo:
There's something happening in the water in the foreground, some reflections that either your camera or the jpeg conversion didn't like. In addition, there's banding in the clouds. Are these shot in RAW or jpeg?
The photos are very nice btw., at least apart from these technical niggles.
Lloyd: Thanks again.
Thanks everybody for the comments. I'm going to try pp'g these images again tonight. Cheers, Matt.
This one goes back a few years. It was right after I picked up the camera after a 25 year absence away... Namibia
You can see the heat distortion. It was at least 115f out that day, maybe more. Here this poor guy only wanted some shade, and it was the only tree for miles.
LLoyd... if that's what you get out on a Sunday stroll, I wanna be where you are. Beautiful. I actually like the branches!
And your wife, Lloyd... Ironman Canada? I had to drop outta that one with a wounded ankle. I was supposed to be up in Penticton last August. I've retired from Ironman... each time I raced, something broke. Sticking with bikes where I can only have catastrophic crashes at 35+ mph! Ha!!! Where is she racing this year?
Yes, we've done Canada 4 times... 19 Ironman finishes in all. Last time in Canada was 2007. We doing local races only this year. We'll be at Ironman St. George May 1st to support some friends (and take some pictures ), but nothing long this year. As for crashes, my worst in a long time was last year... riding back to the car after a race, I crashed and broke my collarbone, my shoulder, and a couple of ribs... and I was only going about 10 mph!!
We're actually taking a couple of years off from long course triathlon. I've had some health problems (besides the crash), that I've been working through. Getting better slowly, so it's all good.
My wife ran the NYC marathon in November, and is now training for Boston next month. We were in Moab for her to run a half marathon as a tune up race. (She was second in her age group, missing first by 20 seconds), and 30th out of 1942 overall. Not bad considering no taper, a hard tempo run of 10 miles last weekend, etc. Her only real goal was to run an average of 10 seconds per mile faster than her Boston goal tempo, and she was right on the mark.
This year she's running a few local tri's (as will I if I can), a few road races, and a couple of trail ultras.
Last edited by Lloyd; 22nd March 2010 at 19:20.
Don't think I've posted these. Cow Bay in Prince Rupert, British Columbia. Cheers, Matt
1. D3; 14-24mm f/2.8; 18mm; 1/60s @ f/2.8; ISO 1600
2. D3; 14-24mm f/2.8; 18mm; 1/60s @ f/2.8; ISO 1600
Lloyd/Jorgen: Thanks. Those were taken about 1:00 am from the window of my room at the B & B. Cheers, Matt.
I will start a political movement that will seek to exclude from all governments on earth any politician who doesn't present a real, honest smile from the heart at least once per day, and any time he or she encounters citizens of his or her country. Those who don't comply, will have to work in the field, correcting the mistakes done by politicians through the centuries, until they learn to smile.
S5 with Nikkor 105mm f/1.8 AIS @ f/2.8
Lloyd, beautiful series, the last one is divine.
Matt, your shots convey the ambiance so well.
Jørgen, beautiful capture. Count me in on your political initiative.
One thing that never seizes to amaze me, is the enormous dynamic range of the S5. Even with a photo like this, where the shirt of the guitar player was 3x255 more or less all over, once I had lowered the exposure by 0.5 and pulled the Recovery slider to 72, all the fine, striped structure, white stripes on white, became visible. The shadow details are still there too of course.
Unfortunately, Fujifilm never managed to get that message through to the majority of photographers, and sadly, I'm losing hope that there will be another Fuji DSLR. It's a pity. These are unique cameras, not only with regards to DR, but also to colour fidelity and WB.
I think I may have to buy another one.
S5 with Nikkor 105mm f/1.8 AIS @ f/1.8
Hello to all you amazing photographers! I've been absent, playing lumber baron, and returned today for a scan of some of my favorite threads. Magnificent as always.
The last few posts brought to mind an internal discussion I seem to have with myself about post-processing. This thread may not be the place, but I'd be interested to hear how others avoid the temptation to "cook" their shots. I often find myself adding layer after layer in photoshop to enhance or correct small parts of an image only to return to the original RAW conversion in C1 and discover I like it better.
Don't get me wrong, there are lots of times when the post really does make a positive difference. But in the cases where I go too far, the most telling evidence is the sense that the light is lost. It's not natural looking. All the various tones (shadow, mid-tones, highlights) might be technically accurate, but the subtlety of the light/moment gets crushed.
Here's an example of an old image I must have spent 2 hours on and built 25 layers into. I remember being exhausted afterwards and ending up hating the darn thing.
Again nice stuff on this page, guys. I want sunday walks like LLoyd's, Matt's lunch breaks and girls smiling at me exactly like on Jorgen pictures. No it's not too much to ask. Or is it?
Tim- first your photo is super nice, nothing to say here. Re the general issue of (over)processing, i guess i generally feel close to what Lloyd answered above. More and more i try to get what i want from the camera (and it gets easier gaining experience taking digital photographs). Note, "what i want" is not always "how it'll eventually look". Depends on the subject, and purpose. Products are an animal on their own, where not only processing but -sometimes heavy- retouching is often required. Many landscapes benefits from a treatment resulting in a style that might either give a more dramatic look or emphasizes on some aspects.
But in many occurrences it's much more efficient and effective to try and stick with minimum processing from RAW files. I personally find that it's very much the case for nature close-ups (not necessarily macros, but not landscapes either) where "cooking" quite easily make things look, indeed, un-natural.
Here's a two shots, same subjects, that i was planning to post before reading your comments.
For these i used NX2 +CS4, the posted images are merely 4 processing steps form the RAW file. Camera profile and crop in NX2. A basic curve adjustment and sharpen applied just by using Bicubic Sharper when reducing the Image Size in PS. That's it.
(oh well, yes there's the innocuous white frame action)
Two quite similar photos, shot in a row with just a small change in distance. Slight variations too in camera profile (0 vs. +1 in NX2) and curve adjustments. Nothing drastic, though. And crop, of course.
I have to say that i find the minimal processing approach a bit easier with the D3X especially for exterior shots and also inside when working with strobes than it was with the D700 or D3. Where obviously the extended DR is a plus. Same thing when it comes to recovering lost HL or shadows (as Jorgen mentionned earlier with his beloved S5). Interior shots, especially high ISO is a different matter since the latest FW for D700/D3 makes them ideal for the purpose thanks to a -in my eyes- even superior AWB.
2 Bellissimo Images Corlan!
Lovely petals Corlan! And thanks for the kind words.
The one thing I will say for the "heavy processing" phase in photoshop is that I learned a lot about how to pull stuff closer to what I want to see. Sometimes that's just stripping away junk that's in the way, and sometimes it means adding emphasis to the subtle thing that attracted the eye initially. So maybe I use a bit less rouge and lipstick now (speaking metaphorically), preferring the understated to the in-your-face. I almost always start with the "Linear Response" setting and tweak from there, keeping in mind that every additional edit is (to some extent) destructive.
Interesting discussion going on here. One of the advantages using the S5 is the minimal need for PP. I only shoot RAW nowadays, and do all PP in ACR except colour and contrast enhancements which is mostly done with Curves in PS (and b&w conversions). No layers. It takes too much time, and I can't keep my concentration that long.
The D3X seems like a good alternative to the S5, although "somewhat" pricey. There's a rumour about a Nikon-branded camera with a Fuji sensor as well. One can only hope.
Beautiful photos, Corlan. Which lens is that? I'm thinking Zeiss 50 or 100 macro, but I don't know much about these things
Thanks guys for the kind comments. Much appreciated.
Sometimes, simplicity just works -then why bother?
Jorgen, this is (Steen could have told you)... my usual weapon of choice for this kind of shot, the "reasonnable" 105 VR.
Re the D3X (and this lens, too), i was entertaining the idea of posting here a casual review of some kind with some straightforward examples -nothing too fancy.
Might be of interest now that those bodies will get more and more affordable. When the replacement is available second hand offers will surely go way below the current D3S and maybe D700x. For those who don't need video or the 1T ISO, it might be a true bargain. But for now we have an ongoing D3 review, probably in the same spirit. Fist things first
A D3X equivalent with a Fuji sensor??
Let me call my bank, but i'm definitely in.
Only one flaw; you've included the words "politician" and "heart" in the same sentence.
They smile though, all the way to the bank.
Hmm, I'd better get back to photography, here's a real smile from the heart:
D700 500mm Nikkor 1/2000 at f/8 ISO 800
Yes, playing with granddad is one subject that always fills my heart with joy. Very nicely captured.
Seattle's Pike Place Market at lunch time and Spring break. Thanks for looking. Cheers, Matt
1. D700; 85mm f/1.4; 1/5000s @ f/1.4; ISO 640
2. D700; 85mm f/1.4; 1/250s @ f/1.4; ISO 640
3. D700; 85mm f/1.4; 1/250s @ f/1.4; ISO 640
Matt, these are spectacular shots. I always end up with excessive vignetting when I use the 85/1.4 fully open. That doesn't seem to be the case here.
Tim: It's a nice photgraph and i can see how you can obsess and spend that much time on it.
Corlan: The daisy shots are great. The eccentric composition and the simple , vibrant, colors really make them pop.
Jorgen: "Sweet Music" is another beautiful photo. The Fuji S5 really works for you. I don't think, i ever even seen one. You should have a spare.
Michael: Very nice image with the big lens. i like the way the adult's foot stretches out and creates a strong diagonal with the boy at the other end. The background softly fades OOF. Nicely captured.
I tend to work photos a lot when I should give up and move on (see Seattle citiscape posted earlier). I try to get it "right" in the camera; but, sometimes that doesn't work, or I have a different processing in mind that I think will strengthen the photo (sort of like distilling the essence that Tim describes). I can't say, for instance, that i always know that a shot is going to end up in B & W.
An example is the first photo that i posted above. When i took it, i knew that the only way, I'd get the result that i wanted was in post. That's five exposures created in Lightroom 2 as virtual copies (0, +2, +4, -2, & -4) and then combined in LR/Enfuse. My normal process is four steps, like Corlan's, except in Lightroom 2 and Nik software (occasionally into CS4 or Lightzone). Less is generally more; but, that still doesn't stop me from processing some images into the ground.
Here's the B&W version of the restaurant/ferry boat shot. Cheers, Matt
The one with the two girls is great, Matt. The others too, but particularly that one.
Now I really need to consider another S5. The shutter of the D80 gave up today. The repair guy will see if he can fix it, but if he can't, the camera is probably dead. It has way beyond 50,000 clicks on its clock, and a new shutter assembly is not worth it. D90 or a used S5? Time will show.
Jorgen: Thanks. The two young girls at the fish market; or, the two in the cafe? Do you have an adapter for the S5 that allows the Nikkor lenses?
Lloyd: Thanks. I like it both color and B&W, too. I probably could have got better exposure on the ferry boat; but, it works this way for me. The LR/Enfuse program is shareware. Donate what you want.
Jason: Geez! Just rub it in! Nice work.