Another fun Photokina surprise:
Another fun Photokina surprise:
And what a return! Let us hope that SD1 becomes available much sooner than it took SD15 to.
That new sensor should stir things up a bit!
Dare I hope that it will turn up in the DP1-2 cameras before to long.
Very interesting indeed. I was glad to see that it wasn't the old 4,7mpix sensor any more... And the sensor seems to be a bit bigger too.
Oh... and a real viewfinder. 0.98% coverage and 0.95x magnification. Can I have this with F-mount please? Pretty please??
Definitely, Sigma raised the crop factor from 1.7 to 1.5.
Seems to be great news!
I do hope this sensor will find entry in the DP1 and DP2 series.
I also do hope that Sigma will finally be able to produce a real FF sensor (36x24) - at least a dream
120-300 f2.8 and 150mm Macro
I must admit that I'm rather fascinated (and very surprised) by this launch. I've always liked the output from the Foveon sensor, but too little resolution, mediocre camera bodies and the Sigma mount have stopped med from following my lust. With the two first obstacles out of the way, this may be an option again, with a couple of good lenses. I'm really looking forward to the reviews of this one.
Another side of this is obviously that Sigma shows that they are not giving up on this. They must have invested a considerable amount in the new sensor and in the new body, so they are probably going to stay in this game for at least a few more years.
PS. Oh, and the two new stabilised lenses. Both of them among the best Sigma has to offer. More temptations
Huge news! A new generation of a sensor, in less than 2 years since Sigma acquired Foveon. They've beat my expectations with regards to delivery (assuming that they're close to doing a production run). The sensor has a 5 um pitch, so it's comparable to all the other Bayer sensors out there. It'll be interested to see if the sensor supports binning (the SD10 and SD14 did, but the True processor cameras don't). Speaking of True processors, they're jamming in 2 of these in the camera, and they're leveraging parallel processing (Foveon has a patent on that).
It would be interesting to imagine this chip in the compact series. It might not fit (especially with the two True II chips), so perhaps they'd scale it back to a 1.7 crop (4200 x 2800 x 3). And if this camera sells, I see no reason why they wouldn't go with a fuller frame option (either FF or 1.2 crop). Rumored price is 7D territory ($1700 for body?), and this should outperform every APS-C camera out there with regards to image quality.
And for those who thought the SD14/15 doesn't have enough resolution, I've never had any issues printing 12 x 18" from my files. This camera is a huge jump (1.5x linear resolution), so I'm going to need a bigger printer...
So this is equivalent to a 15MP Bayer sensor resolution then?
Panasonic GH1/G1, Canon FTb(n)/F-1, Mamiya C330F/RB67 Pro SD, Chamonix 45N-2, Nikon F5 + Assorted Lenses
Could be great. I hope they can make a camera that is worthy....along with software that doesn't choke.
My experience with Foveon chips is from the DP2s, which produced very good resolution definitely comparable to a D700, although "only "3x5Mpixels".
So the resulting resolution from the Sigma SW was around 18MP. If this is somehow true also for the new chip, then the effective resolution resulting should be at least about 50MP. Which is more than one would expect from such a small APS-C chip.
The issues so far with Foveon is the limited RAW support. If C1 would support that files then it would become a real killer (or at least more than serious competitor) in terms of IQ.
The DP2S is a 3x4.7MP design. In general, that sensor is thought to be roughly equivalent to a 8-12 MP CFA (depending on the glass, the AA filter in front of the sensor, etc).
A reasonable guess for resolution (as in resolving line pairs) is that this camera will compare favorably with 30-36 MP CFA cameras. In an APS-C body, that's pretty darn good. With regards to RAW support, the current version of SPP is pretty good (and fast). If there is more acceptance of the X3 cameras, perhaps we'll see Apple and Microsoft support the format in their OS (that's what C1 depends on, I believe).
If Apple supports the X§ RAWs then you will be able to use Aperture and Phocus (Hasselblad) for RAW processing, but unfortunately NOT C1. And Windows does not support RAWs as Aplle does, so Phocus on Windows does not support any 3rd party RAWs and Aperture runs only on Apple.
Lightroom is an alternative, but I hate LR and will not use it anymore. Got so much used to the others SW packages.
Oh, I was having a discussion with the Phase One folks around their acquisition of Expression Media (the DAM formerly known as iView Multimedia Pro), and they indicated that the issue with support for the x3f was based around the OS not supporting the RAW.
Lightroom has too many sliders for me. I've never used Aperture because of the issues with the raw. I stick with Sigma Photo Pro for RAWs, and then Lightzone if I need to finish for printing.
Looking forward to sample images and reviews of a production camera. The prints look pretty good.
Thank you for sharing this link, Carl. The best news for me was that it could hit the market early next year!
Wow!! Very excited about this news.......... I'm sure it will sell like hotcakes if priced right.
Latest from Sigma is "early 2011" and they are working towards producing a full frame sensor.
I recently bought a DP2s to see what the current sensor can do and I was quite pleased with the raw file quality, so now I'm encouraged to see how a larger sensor will perform. I'm not that thrilled with the DP2s camera performance, but I'm willing to work around the warts for the nice files (just need more pixels!).
Here are some 1200x1200 pixel 100% crops from a few recent shots - no resizing or additional output sharpening applied.
Carl, thanks for sharing. The Foveon sensor is unrivaled in color reproduction imho. The resolution is insufficient, I agree. SD1 seems to be the way out of this limitation. As for the full frame option, I am not sure: Even Leica has problems with their M9, it seems.
Your posts are magnificent, the last one has the finest greens I've seen.
The greens in ur last image are great. Any post-processing, or is the image straight out of the camera????
No color adjustments made. Just batch processed the raw files first through Adobe DNG Converter and then through CornerFix (removes the cyan/green corner color cast in the DP2s files) before importing into LR3 where exposure and capture sharpening were done. Cropped and converted to jpeg from LR to the web.
Let me contribute to this thread with a photograph of a close friend and his daughter, taken with SD14 and 30mm/1.4. Converted to 16-bit TIFF with Sigma PhotoPro and converted to jpeg with PS CS4 and Color EfexPro with no color adjustment. Foveon is mean, ladies and gentlemen, don't you think?
[QUOTE=otumay;256587]Let me contribute to this thread with a photograph of a close friend and his daughter, taken with SD14 and 30mm/1.4. Converted to 16-bit TIFF with Sigma PhotoPro and converted to jpeg with PS CS4 and Color EfexPro with no color adjustment. Foveon is mean, ladies and gentlemen, don't you think?
Agree. Beautiful colors and skin tones in the warm lighting.
I find that the Foveon sensor shines the most when looking at the photograph 100% zoomed in - the fine details and sharpness it can extract is quite stunning. I actually had quite a bit of difficulty nailing the color cast - mostly turning things into B&W. In any case, I am still very much looking forward to this camera.
If sigma can team up with Epson and launch a version of the SD1 in the RD1 rangefinder body with at least 2.7 inch screen at the back.
That would be awesome!
The last RD1 has a APS-C(1.5x) sensor, so is the upcoming SD1.
Wouldn't that be worth waiting?
Definitely. I'd add a Leica M mount adapter to the wishlist.
Yep.The Epson is M mount, isn't it?
Osman I think Epson is listening!
I hope they roll out a new RD-1 with the APS-C foveon sensor.
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A short preview of the SD 1....
I'm not so sure about this being a SD1 preview. Carl likes to screw around at times, and you'll note that it's titled SD ?.
My guess is that he's just having fun with his SD15.
Check it out: http://www.43rumors.com/hot-rumor-fr...-with-m-mount/
Hi Carl, may I ask how you convert the RAW files to DNG?
When I used Adobe DNG Converter, it could not read the X3F files on the camera, nor the TIFF output files. I tried selecting Adobe RGB color space in SPP, it still output to TIFF or jpeg files.Just batch convert your raw files to dng with Adobe DNG Converter
Just got my DP2S after reading this thread (and a few others) and is enjoying the film like images!
I am definitely interested in this camera, and (to Jorgen) there is a company called (!) sigma cum laude that converts the Sigma mount to Nikon, Leica-R, and Canon—so plenty of choice there.
Downside is manual aperture stopdown; I am thinking one or two of the best Sigma primes might be the way to go.
Now, if it had the 3-stop ND filter (à la Fuji x-100) I might think Leica-R...
I meant to note that the conversions are reversable, too, which is very nice. The reason I am inclining to the Leica conversion is simply the excellence of the Leica-R lenses, most of which I have owned (grrrr) and of course they have aperture rings... The G Nikkors, while fine lenses to be sure, do not have these, so can only be used wide open.
I actually cannot find the SD1 any longer on the Sigma sites. Anything happened, or am I looking to the wrong sites?
Also I would be interested if the rumors are right that Olympus is looking for a Foveon sensor (SD1 type with modified size of course) in their Pro level 43 and M43 cameras?