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    That is the primary reason I did not continue with the XP1. My images had beautiful, smooth color, but the razor sharp real detail was just not there for me. RPP did a much better job compared to LR, but although detail was improved somewhat it was associated with some noise I didn't like.
    Yup, this camera has just RUINED me because of that (thanks Quentin ;>/).

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    >RPP did a much better job compared to LR,

    Lot of faked detail due to jaggies.
    Agree. Did Adobe make any improvements to raw processing for the XP1 in their latest LR release?
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    > Did Adobe make any improvements to raw processing for the XP1 in their latest LR release?

    Not yet.
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    DP2M: Detail amazing, lens is first rate, colors can be mutes, shadows noisy, no high ISO camera, $1000

    X-Pro1: 35mm lens is good, detail can be an issue if pixel peeping, colors fine, high ISO nice, raw processing needs improvement, 35mm is an f/1.4 lens for shallow DOF and real low light, $2300 with 35mm
    I see it this way and the x-pro1 is in this regard the same as any other top-digital-camera (although I like the Fuji images a lot):

    X-Pro1: Really good looking digital image of something

    DP2M: This is not an image. Your are standing there in reality!
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    REALLY enjoying everyones' shots. Here are a few while traveling through New England with both cameras. At this point, I find I am shooting the DP1M a lot more.



    (Even though I reduced sharpening significantly....it still looks crunchy)





    Inside too....






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    REALLY enjoying everyones' shots. Here are a few while traveling through New England with both cameras. At this point, I find I am shooting the DP1M a lot more.
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    Very nice Rich. Are you wearing dual holsters for the DPs?
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    Very nice Rich. Are you wearing dual holsters for the DPs?
    Hehehe........kinda. I have them both armored up with screen protectors, tight fitting neoprene pouches and sturdy wrist straps.

    I feel I can toss them into any bag I happen to be carrying. The straps are different colors, so I know which one to grab. Both are set up the same and the QS menu makes changing settings a dream.

    I'll start visiting some Western stores though......I like the holster idea

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    Some interesting paint jobs at the local Children's Garden. A quick walk through with the DP2M.


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    Rich - great stuff. Are you doing much PP withe these shots or are they pretty close to this out of SPP?

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    Rich - great stuff. Are you doing much PP withe these shots or are they pretty close to this out of SPP?

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    Lee......pretty much straight out of SPP. I am still struggling a bit with WB, but the eyedropper tool in LR fixes that. I think I went +5 in vibrance in LR...that's about it.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    A couple more from yesterday - full resolution versions available at picabroad.com


    Admin Edit -- you linked to way too large images for smooth viewing here, so I have removed your images. Please feel free to repost at no larger than 1200 pixels. We do have a dedicated thread for posting very large images.
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    Very nice Cy....the full size image of the bridge is startlingly sharp. I think I recognized one of the walkers.

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    Cy,

    could you please embed smaller images (the browser chokes with that large images) and link to the full sizes pictures on your site.


    The SF shot is amazing. What was the vantage point?
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    The Golden Gate picture was taken at a generic tourist spot - the visitor center - I just got lucky with the fog.

    Sorry - I'd not realised that the full size versions were feeding through to Getdpi - try these - earlier ones deleted. Full sized pics should be on the website.

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    I did not mean the Golden Gate shot. I mean the city shot.
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    Hi Uwe....got you now

    The city shots were taken from the outdoor lounge at the top of the Madarin Oriental in SF....amazing view...I made a large panorama of 8 shots that I'll stitch once I have access to a proper computer.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    I think it is quite important for my future sanity that we gain an insight in to where the magic lies with the DP2M - Sensor, lens, or both?

    My view is it is probably a combination of a superb lens matched to a high resolution sensor, with the Foveon design being an important part of the success of the package, albeit not the whole story.

    The reason I feel this is important is because I cannot presently see myself being satisfied with any lesser performance. The DP2M has spoilt me for any other camera, even where they have higher absolute resolution or performance. I now know what CAN be achieved at a fairly modest price. On the plus side, I should save money, but it would be good to know if Sigma have a road map to follow the DP2M.

    Otherwise I just may go slightly mad!

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quentin, they must have noticed there is something going on with this camera and there sure will be a follow up.
    And let's hope it is a full frame version with a EVF and a mount that can take many good lenses, but that is probably asked to much at the moment.

    I am cross posting this because I started in the wrong thread that I was reading.

    Before I was finished fiddling with all the menu settings I had only room to take 16 shots of which half was still in Jpeg mode. I will need a lot of batterys. Anyone bought extra batterys already?

    But when I got it right, it is right! What an astonishing detail!
    I can literally count the bricks of the Rijksmuseum from that distance. (not that I am going to )

    Nothing very special yet, but I want you to know the little wonder arrived

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Michiel,

    I have long admired your work shooting facades with the GXR and ZM lenses.

    I think that this camera is designed with you in mind. I can't wait to see more.

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    Michiel,

    I have long admired your work shooting facades with the GXR and ZM lenses.

    I think that this camera is designed with you in mind. I can't wait to see more.

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    Good shots. I agree the DP2M could have been designed with this kind of work in mind. You should get along famously!

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    Thank you gentlemen! I will do my best

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    nice to see that some cameramakers do it absolutely right.
    I think the lens is a very important part with the dp2m the sd1m uses the same sensor but even with the current price it isn't nearly as attractive as the dp2m.

    I hope sigma gets why this camera is so good and continues in this direction (maybe with a dp3m with a 60mm macro? for macro obviously but even more for even higher resolution images when stitching (so it would be absolutely important that the lens is also very good at infinity))

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    >I think that this camera is designed with you in mind.

    Most certainly! Please count the bricks.

    I have 4 battery. One hardly lasts for 50 shots :-)
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    Some shots today with the DP1M walking around Yale.....learning curve stuff. Overcast (hey, I'm in New England).....but kinda awesome because there are no deep shadows. Handheld, the DP1M allows for a slightly lower shutter speed, 100ISO, +0.7 EC.









    It's really hard to truly appreciate these cameras viewing these web images. I am still counting bricks too

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Uwe, Rich...MARVELOUS SHOTS. Here's one I got tonight: Subway Smooch. Caught this amorous pair holding the camera at waist level by the neckstrap, just casually glancing to see if the alignment and focus was on. Proof that the DPM2 can be called on from time to time to do some good street work. ISO 800 and BW is a good way to go. Raw-2-16Tiff-LR for finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnesworth View Post
    The Golden Gate picture was taken at a generic tourist spot - the visitor center - I just got lucky with the fog.

    Sorry - I'd not realised that the full size versions were feeding through to Getdpi - try these - earlier ones deleted. Full sized pics should be on the website.

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    Great shots. Left you a comment about your testing alongside the OMD. Love the Golden Gate shot. Great atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >I think that this camera is designed with you in mind.

    Most certainly! Please count the bricks.

    I have 4 battery. One hardly lasts for 50 shots :-)

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    I think it is quite important for my future sanity that we gain an insight in to where the magic lies with the DP2M - Sensor, lens, or both?

    My view is it is probably a combination of a superb lens matched to a high resolution sensor, with the Foveon design being an important part of the success of the package, albeit not the whole story.

    The reason I feel this is important is because I cannot presently see myself being satisfied with any lesser performance. The DP2M has spoilt me for any other camera, even where they have higher absolute resolution or performance. I now know what CAN be achieved at a fairly modest price. On the plus side, I should save money, but it would be good to know if Sigma have a road map to follow the DP2M.

    Otherwise I just may go slightly mad!

    Quentin
    Quentin, just allow me to say some small and silly words.
    The lens at the DP2M seems to be a little masterpiece, at the DP1M its perhaps slightly soft in corners/edges or the sensor got some limits catching the diagonal light. But it seems like each layers in the sensor has a more simple task to do, compared to a normal sensor, and therefore its able to render so precise and sharp. But its not the whole story I think (but I don't know off course). Perhaps the travel of light it selves through the 3 layers create that magical drawing at the edges of things/contrast etc. Let me compare it to: when I have been drawing details 1:1 of new window-profiles or door-profiles to be made of wood and build into old buildings, it is important to note that the shape of these profiles at the edges often are not, as most people imagine, just a quarter of a circle, but instead the most refined are a quarter of an ellipse. An ellipse catches and throw back the light in a much more refined way than just a quarter-circle, and the profile it selves and the room gets illuminated in a better way too. Well, it has perhaps nothing to do with the Foveon sensor it might seem, but anyway, the travel through the 3 layers might give that special edge that is just about looking over-sharpened in our eyes and brains, and also might give that rendering that let the picture look 3-dimentional...perhaps…and perhaps therefore it handles light “around corners” in this very refined way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich M View Post
    Some shots today with the DP1M walking around Yale.....learning curve stuff. Overcast (hey, I'm in New England).....but kinda awesome because there are no deep shadows. Handheld, the DP1M allows for a slightly lower shutter speed, 100ISO, +0.7 EC.

    It's really hard to truly appreciate these cameras viewing these web images. I am still counting bricks too

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    Hi Thorkil

    just got a new iPad so excuse typos

    The reason I won't be getting a new DP1m is because I will use the outstanding quality of the DP2m to stitch where a wide view is needed. for me the DP2m is a perfect tool. I am a perfectionist. After the DP2m all else is bullsh*t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Hi Thorkil

    just got a new iPad so excuse typos .

    The reason I won't be getting a new DP1m is because I will use the outstanding quality of the DP2m to stitch where a wide view is needed. for me the DP2m is a perfect tool. I am a perfectionist. After the DP2m all else is bullsh*t.

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    Hi Quentin, that I know (perfectionist and so...). I have to have a more realistic and therefore humble approach to my own skill (and my lack of patience too, I guess). When I succeed in getting rid of my D800E, I'm confused about a 1 or a 2. I know the 2' is the perfectionist tool, but on the other hand I need a 28mm (houses, buildings, interiors and so), but on the other hand I could leave that part to my GXR (and using 3200 iso too). And stitching for my part, I guess, that’s an unrealistic dream. On the other hand I do have that feeling that one ought to live with just ONE camera, and just getting the best out of THAT, and that might be a DP2M(I'm a believer too, don't think anything else really does exist anymore). Do you think it will last until we will end glanzing at the innerside of the lid, hopefully it will
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    Went out today to get some of those marvelous pixels. Put the camera on shut off after 10 seconds or so and armed with two fully loaded batterys and to my surprise I made 55 shots and the battery was still not empty.

    Sjjjee, it is just great fun to see those sharp images at 100% in SP.
    Now I have to learn to use some higher shutterspeeds to get some non blurred moving people on my screen.

    But it's true it is the perfect camera for me

    BTW Just bought myself this panohead on ebay.

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    Michiel, great shots, the last one had me puzzled in an Esher kind of way, hard to explain since I maybe the only one seeing something! I love it though!

    Also that's one hard core pano head, I'm looking forward to the pano shots you take with the combination. You're on fire right now! Keep them coming!
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    As long as I am not in the line of fire I feel good about it.
    Some more from today.

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    Hello to everybody!
    This is a fantastic thread in a fantastic forum!
    Really great pics. Since the first DP's came out i had an eye on these. When M. Reichmann's test on LL came out, i could not resist any longer an bought the DP2M. Took it out for a first test and "abused" it as a PS: With OVF in P Or A mode, handheld, ISO 100 (Shopping bag in the other).
    Workflow: Only RAW's saved to disk, SPP with basic adjustments, auto import to LR 4.1.
    The first pics on screen of my iMac 27, unbelievable, the best files i had ever in my machine. Adrenalin! Better then 5DMKII, Sony NEX7 and my beloved Leica M8 (magical files as well).
    Some rare times there is a little banding (if you decrease NR in SPP to 0) or color blotches (magenta,cyan) in mid-tone grey areas, but nothing i cant handle with. NIK Define for debanding (works great) or color adjustments in LR.
    For Landscape and architecture there is right now nothing to compare.
    Pic's from Heidelberg, Germany incl.100% crop's- the last 2 are from NEX 7 w. SEL 50F18 OSS

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    Werner, from a balloon?
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    No, from the Castle above the Old-town of Heidelberg (Nr 6 is ,by the way, Mannheim).
    The second one is a 100 crop of the first, as is No 4 from 3 and for comparison the last one 100% of No7, NEX7.
    Nice colors and relatively good weather!
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    How do i get the bigger Pic's in the forum

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    How do i get the bigger Pic's in the forum
    Welcome Werner, I was right there in Heidelberg last April. Beautiful city.

    Upload the pics in the size you want from an url like in flickr or picasa etc.
    Juste copy paste it in the opened picture button.

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    Thanks, Michiel!
    Will try that next time.
    Great pics from a great city - Amsterdam! I love it in winter, as the NL beaches!
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Hi there Werner

    Welcome to the world of the converts!

    I can hardly keep up with the great work being posted here. Looks even better on my new iPad

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    I so wanted to take some shots this lunch time but the great English Summer monsoon is now the great English Autumn monsoon and I didn't want to risk my precious Merrill in the rain. Except I had to take one, very quickly. It was dark. ISO 800, f2.8, 1/80th sec, Vivid mode in SPP. Shadows brought up a little, saved as JPEG then some cropping in LR. Ok, it's not up to the standard possible but I thought anything over ISO 100 was supposed to be bad?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphie View Post
    I so wanted to take some shots this lunch time but the great English Summer monsoon is now the great English Autumn monsoon and I didn't want to risk my precious Merrill in the rain. Except I had to take one, very quickly. It was dark. ISO 800, f2.8, 1/80th sec, Vivid mode in SPP. Shadows brought up a little, saved as JPEG then some cropping in LR. Ok, it's not up to the standard possible but I thought anything over ISO 100 was supposed to be bad?
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    Only when you pixel peep. If it is dark and raining take along a tripod and umbrella. This camera will produce great images in low light w/o resorting to ISO boosting. That is still a very nice image, despite using ISO 800.
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    Hi Carl

    You are right of course - the same shot would have looked much better, no doubt. I am looking forward to trying some slow shutter speed tripod-bound shots.

    What I am having some problem getting my head round is why SPP can reveal so much latitude in the files. This one from Saturday looks OK with default settings as shot. The camera metering did what I expected and rendered most of the scene with a sensible exposure but the sky was washed out. The tip from Louis to reduce exposure and increase fill light seemed non-intuitive to me - well at least the fact that I can reduce it so much. The X3 fill light is not the same as the LR fill light. For example here exposure was -1.6, X3 fill light +0.7:



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    Wow Lee!

    (Anyone interested in going into the jigsaw puzzle biz with me?)
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    Posted in review thread, but meant to be here.
    Been following this thread daily and am enthralled with these images!
    I see why people fall in love.
    Question--How do you avoid or work with the purple/green in the water of this image(100% view)? Is this a result of the sensor, the raw software or NIk, that the photographer used?
    http://www.lightreflection.com/DP2M/DP2MPANOA.jpg
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    A few more from Heidelberg, DE
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Well I decided before I pull the trigger on a DP1m or DPM2,
    I rented both from lensrentals.com for this weekend.

    So to make sure I get the most out of my "evaluation"
    As of today, how should I setup the cameras?
    ISO 100, or 200?
    Sharpening setting in camera
    Noise setting
    Picture style

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