Site Sponsors
Page 18 of 56 FirstFirst ... 8 16 17 18 19 20 28 ... LastLast
Results 851 to 900 of 2795

Thread: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

  1. #851
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Brooklyn
    Posts
    4,043
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1253

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    having played around a bit with both, get ready to put a big 1 and 2 on them as they are almost insdistinguishable!

  2. #852
    Contributing Editor ustein's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    3,658
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Uwe Steinmueller
    -------------------

    Editor&Owner of Digital Outback Photo
    http://www.outbackphoto.com
    Likes 3 Member(s) liked this post

  3. #853
    Senior Member Quentin_Bargate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Saffron Walden, UK
    Posts
    1,803
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    58

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    A quick random thought on value for money.

    In the UK, a DP2 or 1M costs just less than 800 including tax. Both together cost a total of 1,600.

    A single Hasselblad lens for the H-system costs around 3,000 on average (that's the price of a 35mm or 50mm lenses, before VAT at 20% is added).

    Valid comparison? Possibly not if you are a portrait photographer.

    I use the Hasselblad as a point of reference because I own a H4D-50 and three lenses, a sizable investment. Other points of reference would include a Sony RX1 at around 3,000. I use both systems but the 'blad much less in recent weeks.

    I am building a portable system around the Sigma DP2M and DP1M. This includes a Lee compact R75 filter system, ND grads, a panoramic head and leveling head, all of which add a few hundred pounds to the combined cost of the Sigmas but still comes in well below the price of the single Hasselblad lens or the RX1. I do not feel that this is a compromise.

    I have been and expect to continue to use the DP2M and DP1M far more than the Hasselblad simply because they are more versatile and the image quality of the Sigma's is so good.

    What does all this tell us about value for money?

    the 100 x 24 inch pano has arrived and will be hung tomorrow.
    Quentin Bargate
    Co-Founder of Ajuve, Director of Bargate Murray, Law Firm of the Year 2012 - 2016, Photographer
    Likes 2 Member(s) liked this post

  4. #854
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ithaca, NY
    Posts
    3,338
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Looking at all of the holes and burrows in and around this old stump, it seems to be like an apartment house for a variety of gorge creatures. DP2M 3 shot stitch.


    HALF SIZE
    Carl
    Gallery
    Likes 2 Member(s) liked this post

  5. #855
    Senior Member biglouis's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,940
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    A quick random thought on value for money.

    In the UK, a DP2 or 1M costs just less than 800 including tax. Both together cost a total of 1,600.

    A single Hasselblad lens for the H-system costs around 3,000 on average (that's the price of a 35mm or 50mm lenses, before VAT at 20% is added).

    Valid comparison? Possibly not if you are a portrait photographer.

    I use the Hasselblad as a point of reference because I own a H4D-50 and three lenses, a sizable investment. Other points of reference would include a Sony RX1 at around 3,000. I use both systems but the 'blad much less in recent weeks.

    I am building a portable system around the Sigma DP2M and DP1M. This includes a Lee compact R75 filter system, ND grads, a panoramic head and leveling head, all of which add a few hundred pounds to the combined cost of the Sigmas but still comes in well below the price of the single Hasselblad lens or the RX1. I do not feel that this is a compromise.

    I have been and expect to continue to use the DP2M and DP1M far more than the Hasselblad simply because they are more versatile and the image quality of the Sigma's is so good.

    What does all this tell us about value for money?

    the 100 x 24 inch pano has arrived and will be hung tomorrow.
    I agree. This is a worrying camera because used carefully the results equal (actually I can justify the word 'surpass') anything from my Leica lenses costing several thousand pounds or my MF film cameras. I too am beginning to add to my kit - filters and tripods.

    I just received a 30x20 print of my Primrose Hill shot from a few pages back. It is nothing short of amazing.

    LouisB

  6. #856
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ithaca, NY
    Posts
    3,338
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I agree. This is a worrying camera because used carefully the results equal (actually I can justify the word 'surpass') anything from my Leica lenses costing several thousand pounds or my MF film cameras. I too am beginning to add to my kit - filters and tripods.

    I just received a 30x20 print of my Primrose Hill shot from a few pages back. It is nothing short of amazing.

    LouisB
    +1 I actually went back to LF and MF film for awhile because the best digital cameras I had available at the time (Leica M8 RF and Canon 5DII DSLR) just didn't do it for me. So I'm not complaining now about ergonomics, battery issues, etc. with the DP Merrill cameras, compared to the hassles with film and scanning to get an image worthy of a large print.
    Carl
    Gallery
    Likes 2 Member(s) liked this post

  7. #857
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    227
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    A quick random thought on value for money.
    What does all this tell us about value for money?
    It tells me that the inherent value of your Hasselblad kit is far less than the combined value of your DP1+2 Merrills put together, because you are using (or going to use) the latter more often than the former.

    My conclusion: sell me your Hasselblad kit for less than 1,600 and get out while you can at a fair price.
    Likes 2 Member(s) liked this post

  8. #858
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Dayton, OH
    Posts
    101
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    8

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Uwe,
    Thanks for the helpful field report!

  9. #859
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Columbus,Ohio
    Posts
    396
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Doing a 3 or more image stitch with the DP2M seems to take what is already "magical" and just takes it to another level. The overall look and detail of the image takes me right back to looking at 6x7 chromes on a light table.

    The lens already has a rather pleasant bokeh quality, but being only 30mm, your not going to get that shallow of DoF effect. Doing a quick stitch gives me a file that so reminds me of my 105mm f2.4.

    The fine detail, clarity and microcontrast, paired with some shallower DoF effect, and the smooth tonal qualities are just pretty amazing, especially for just $999.

    DP2M, a pano rig, and the willingness to do the work really does allow one to rival the output of MF backs costing 20-30x as much. Unreal

  10. #860
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Hawaii
    Posts
    943
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    16

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Looking at all of the holes and burrows in and around this old stump, it seems to be like an apartment house for a variety of gorge creatures. DP2M 3 shot stitch.


    HALF SIZE
    Carl......great capture. Some of your other shots of the gorge (shot at 1/10s) still seemed to lack some of the micro contrast that this one (shot at 1/6s) has.

    Any idea why?

    Aaaahhhhh.......now maybe I see why.......is it because that it is a 3-shot stitch (like Millsart was talking about)?

    Anyways.......I like this one :thumb up:

    R
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  11. #861
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    A bit north of Copenhagen
    Posts
    1,262
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    459

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    battery running out. Can't wait to get home to read and look at all our lovely pictures!!!!! What a place
    Thorkil

  12. #862
    Senior Member Quentin_Bargate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Saffron Walden, UK
    Posts
    1,803
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    58

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Cannes Panorama now delivered and on our office wall - here is a quick camera phone snap of the picture in place Its looks great, even if I say so myself.



    Its big! The Perspex encapsulation by Spectrum Photo looks good.
    Quentin Bargate
    Co-Founder of Ajuve, Director of Bargate Murray, Law Firm of the Year 2012 - 2016, Photographer
    Likes 9 Member(s) liked this post

  13. #863
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    Michiel Schierbeek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Amsterdam/Normandy
    Posts
    3,914
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    762

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Great Quentin. Is it on dibond with plexiglas in front? I did about ten that way for an exhibition.
    How many shots horizontel and vertical?

    Michiel

    BTW I think I am gonne take an industrial panorama this afternoon.

  14. #864
    Senior Member W.Utsch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Heidelberg, Germany
    Posts
    879
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Incredible! I imagine the details!

    Besides Michiel's questions:
    What file format and PP where you doing?
    Who printed and framed at at what cost ca. (don't want to be too curious)

    Werner

  15. #865
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    Michiel Schierbeek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Amsterdam/Normandy
    Posts
    3,914
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    762

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    Incredible! I imagine the details!

    Besides Michiel's questions:
    What file format and PP where you doing?
    Who printed and framed at at what cost ca. (don't want to be too curious)

    Werner
    Google spectrum photo and you will learn all about the printing and framing.
    Good website.

    Michiel

  16. #866
    Senior Member Quentin_Bargate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Saffron Walden, UK
    Posts
    1,803
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    58

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Hi Michiel

    Its here

    Durospec™ Perspex Reverse Mounting - Spectrum Photographic

    Acrylic backing option

    Quentin
    Quentin Bargate
    Co-Founder of Ajuve, Director of Bargate Murray, Law Firm of the Year 2012 - 2016, Photographer

  17. #867
    Senior Member biglouis's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,940
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quentin

    Incredible!

    Louis

  18. #868
    Senior Member biglouis's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,940
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Here is my latest batch. I include a link to the full sized image but beware these are large (3MB+) files.

    These are all taken on Whitechapel Waste about 10-15 minutes after dawn. Full EXIF info included. All at iso400. Post-processed in SP5 and LR3. Had to play around with Exposure and Fill Light in SP5 and in LR3 I adjusted white balance to taste. No additional sharpening, some cropping as I prefer 5x4 - mainly because I treat these like MF images.

    If you do look at the full size images some of the incredible detail from this sensor/lens is shown. Especially the windvanes on top of the RLH - these have never been so sharp - even with my Leica M lenses or my Hass kit. Likewise the faces of pedestrians in the first shot.

    Even if my pictures do not do it justice - this is an incredible camera.


    Link to full frame image


    Link to full frame image


    Link to full frame image


    Link to full frame image


    Link to full frame image
    -----
    My new book "Whitechapel in 50 BUildings", Flikr Stream, www.louisberk.com
    Likes 8 Member(s) liked this post

  19. #869
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ithaca, NY
    Posts
    3,338
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich M View Post
    Carl......great capture. Some of your other shots of the gorge (shot at 1/10s) still seemed to lack some of the micro contrast that this one (shot at 1/6s) has.

    Any idea why?

    Aaaahhhhh.......now maybe I see why.......is it because that it is a 3-shot stitch (like Millsart was talking about)?

    Anyways.......I like this one :thumb up:

    R
    Thanks Rich. If you are viewing "original" size on pbase this shot is presented as a 50% reduction and the others are mostly full size. All of the gorge pictures were shot on a tripod with 2 sec self timer, so I don't think that camera movement is a factor.
    Carl
    Gallery

  20. #870
    Senior Member Quentin_Bargate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Saffron Walden, UK
    Posts
    1,803
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    58

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    To answer a few questions, the pano was made up from 7 DP2 shots, and the detail is amazing. No pano head at that time (purchased subsequently), but the stitching is invisible.

    We were at the Cannes boat show on business so there is a lot more activity in the harbour than is normal.

    Louis, you were up early!

    Quentin
    Quentin Bargate
    Co-Founder of Ajuve, Director of Bargate Murray, Law Firm of the Year 2012 - 2016, Photographer

  21. #871
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    889
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Just a general question how do you guys shoot panos, how much do you overlap?
    I tend to overlap by half, which is a lot, and know a third is enough, but what do you guys do? I also tend to bracket all my shots!

    Precise nodal point inaccuracies tend to show itself most when a lot of cabling is present, like telephone poles and wires etc., due to my computer restraints at the moment (2yr old always surfing otherwise ) I would show my first day test with the camera, but the Sigma Pro software is a huge issue for me due the aforementioned reason, that I cannot quickly edit the raws the way I want! Obviously my problem isn't the same as everyone else, but I do wish they can port the camera settings and profiles to LR soon, rather than never!
    ___________________
    Po-Ming Chu
    POPHOTO

  22. #872
    Senior Member W.Utsch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Heidelberg, Germany
    Posts
    879
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    @biglouis:
    Fantastic Street shots, like them all.
    Superb rain pics, from a fab city!
    Even the grain at ISO 400 is not bad at all, fits to the atmosphere.
    Werner

  23. #873
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    778
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    I was travelling for the last 7 days with the Fuji XPro1 and the DP2M. If there were no Sigmas DP2/1M, I'd consider the Fuji's IQ outstanding. However, in comparison with the DP2M, I'd call it excellent and the one from the DP2/1M: "Simply the best, better than all the rest", as Tina Turner used to sing. Martha's vineyard.
    Last edited by retow; 10th February 2013 at 22:27.
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  24. #874
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    84
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    29

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    I can't describe myself as an expert on panos. I bought a Nodal Ninja 3 2 years ago for a project and have now been inspired by Quentin to bring it out of retirement to use with the DP2M. My initial experience is that I have been able to get away with remarkably little overlap - certainly less than a 1/3rd. Mind you I have been shooting buildings and haven't run into wire problems to date.

    I think the software is the key. Attempts using Photoshop CS5 were disasterous. So I have tried the demo versions of both ptgui and autopano. Both work much much better. I keep meaning to buy the full version but work keeps getting in the way.

    I have found that if you get your exposures reasonably matched in SPP, both these programs produce very consistent looking stitches. I agree about SPP but I export 16 bit tiffs to LR and then try and adjust those to match each other before exporting to the stitching program.

    I note that ptgui pro allows for blending of bracketed exposures as it makes the pano - so you might want to look at the demo of that. One advantage of ptgui is that it allows you easily to set the control points manually between two images. Works beautifully - in one series on the Battersea Power station I found myself with no more than about 1/10th of the frames overlapping but I set the points and it still did a seamless job.

    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    Just a general question how do you guys shoot panos, how much do you overlap?
    I tend to overlap by half, which is a lot, and know a third is enough, but what do you guys do? I also tend to bracket all my shots!

    Precise nodal point inaccuracies tend to show itself most when a lot of cabling is present, like telephone poles and wires etc., due to my computer restraints at the moment (2yr old always surfing otherwise ) I would show my first day test with the camera, but the Sigma Pro software is a huge issue for me due the aforementioned reason, that I cannot quickly edit the raws the way I want! Obviously my problem isn't the same as everyone else, but I do wish they can port the camera settings and profiles to LR soon, rather than never!
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  25. #875
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ithaca, NY
    Posts
    3,338
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    I was travelling for the last 7 days with the Fuji XPro1 and the DP2M. If there were no Sigmas DP2/1M, I'd consider the Fuji's IQ outstanding. However, in comparison with the DP2M, I'd call it excellent and the one from the DP2/1M: "Simply the best, better than all the rest", as Tina Turner used to sing. Martha's vineyard.
    Very nice. I took the same gallery shot 6 years ago with my old Canon 5D, but not as sharp as the DP2M shot.
    Carl
    Gallery
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  26. #876
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ithaca, NY
    Posts
    3,338
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Continuing the discussion on panos and prints. Here is a snap of a print I made on Innova IFA-36 Photo Gloss Canvas, 360 gsm, using the Canon iPF 2400. The print was 24x44 inches and I gallery wrapped it on 1.75 inch bars to make this 20x40 inch finished print. Used 3 DP2M images to stitch the vertical pano using CS6 Photomerge. If you look at the full size image I think you can see that the DP2M sharpness carries over to large prints (even on canvas) very well. I find that that the simple Photomerge automate function in Photoshop (at least the version in CS6) is more than adequate for stitching simple 3-4 shot panos, if the images are shot on a tripod (with or w/o a pano head) with good level and alignment. I just dump the images into Photomerge, select Reposition, blend and done. Perfect alignment and blending.


    FULL SIZE
    Last edited by scho; 19th October 2012 at 12:43.
    Carl
    Gallery
    Likes 3 Member(s) liked this post

  27. #877
    Senior Member Quentin_Bargate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Saffron Walden, UK
    Posts
    1,803
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    58

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Hi Carl

    I have never had much success with photomerge. Results can be hit and miss. I find PT Gui more reliable and flexible. Great shot - you are clearly having success with it!
    Quentin Bargate
    Co-Founder of Ajuve, Director of Bargate Murray, Law Firm of the Year 2012 - 2016, Photographer

  28. #878
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    Michiel Schierbeek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Amsterdam/Normandy
    Posts
    3,914
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    762

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    This is only a two images stiched pano because one out of 4 was not sharp.
    The daytime images were rather dull because the weather turned completly grey. I used my new panohead for it.

    Michiel

    Likes 4 Member(s) liked this post

  29. #879
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    Michiel Schierbeek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Amsterdam/Normandy
    Posts
    3,914
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    762

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    This is from before the weather turned grey.

    Michiel

    Likes 3 Member(s) liked this post

  30. #880
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ithaca, NY
    Posts
    3,338
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Hi Carl

    I have never had much success with photomerge. Results can be hit and miss. I find PT Gui more reliable and flexible. Great shot - you are clearly having success with it!
    Quentin,

    In the case of your super wide pano, I'm sure that Photomerge would not have done very well and PT Gui was the right tool. However, as I noted for simple stitching of 3-4 images this is not rocket science and PT is not required. Just be aware that the Auto, Perspective, Cylindrical, Spherical, and Collage options are quite useless in Photomerge for this type of simple stitching. If the images are shot level on a tripod with care in alignment stitching with the simple alignment option is all that is needed. Blending is usually very good.
    Carl
    Gallery

  31. #881
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Santa Monica CA
    Posts
    83
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Still waiting to buy the Dp2M when I can use a site that allows my credit!
    I have a pixel peeping question, not a critique, just curious.
    With a decent sensor and lens, I can peep to 200% without radical pixelation(still pretty smooth).
    I notice this is not the case with the foveon sensor. The little square pixels jump out at you. Is it the sensor or the lack of NR or? Can anyone explain to my sometimes nerdy mind?
    I have always assumed when it doesn't pixelate at 200% there is more headroom for editing. True here too?

  32. #882
    Senior Member peterb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Tysons Corner, Virginia
    Posts
    489
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    18

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    @Louis..LOVE your early morning captures!

    @Antara: I think I know what you're asking but not sure I'll be able to answer it to your satisfaction (and if anyone else far more knowledgeable than myself can answer, please take a shot at this). Are you saying that you see individual pixels "jumping out at you" in an enlarged image produced by a Foveon sensor at 200% and not with conventional sensors?

    If that's the case the only thing that I could possibly think of is that since there is no fudge' factor involved with the interpolation of the pixel array of the Foveon sensor (i.e. a computer algorithm intervening to make the best educated guess as to what values a primary color would have in the spaces where no sensor for that primary color is present) my guess is the pixels you are seeing (or perceiving) are more accurately displayed and not 'smeared' (that's the most accurate way I could think of to describe it) as they are in a Bayer generated image. In other words, instead of a mishmash of pixels you typically see from a typical sensor with a Bayer-type arrangement with the very accurate Foveon sensor since you don't have the mishmash since they're all the same (discreet arrays of red, blue and green and not some interpolated Bayer approximation) you start to see the pixels to the point of jumping out at you. (Since there's no distinction with the Foveon sensor you therefore get the accurate read.)

    While that is certainly a possibility given the nature of the sensor and how images are processed and printed I'm not sure that would be the case. Because since the Foveon architecture stacks layer upon layer upon layer of silicon sensors one on top of the other so each point accurately measures the primary color component at its individual loci on the sensor (and with no need for an anti-aliasing filter to accommodate the absence of pixels measuring the values of primary colors hitting adjacent loci on a Bayer-type sensor) you're capable of a much sharper image within that space. And when you consider that in a normal Bayer array each pixel does the job of four so to speak (remember it's a massive collection of 4x4 pixel arrays each with one red, one blue and two green pixels) and can then be at least minimally doubled (200% from what you said) thereby making each pixel now doing the job of 16 pixels (and in the case of green ones 32!) the Foveon sensor with its fully mapped out layer of pixels stacked on on top of the other should be capable of taking a 4 x 4 array of pixels alone determining the value of a single primary color (with similar arrays of remaining two quietly working below) and extrapolating THOSE the way you would a Bayer type sensor you should be capable of making enlargements of up to 64x as much (4 x 16). Theoretically at least although in reality there's probably some other intervening factors. Which is why we're all aghast with the images we're seeing from this tiny camera. As evidenced even further by Quentin Bargate's utterly stunning, gorgeous stitched panorama of Cannes Harbor!
    Life is an infinite series of moments called..."now".
    My job is to capture them.

  33. #883
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Santa Monica CA
    Posts
    83
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Thanks, Peter.
    Altho some of your explanation is over my head, I think I get the gist of it.
    With the original image at 200% you see pixels, but after interpolating up to 20x 30 using bicubic in PS, this is no longer the case.
    Makes sense in terms of your explanation. Yes?

  34. #884
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    889
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Here is the Pano from the first day testing, I used PTGui Pro for the Stitch (Thank you, pflower for the recommendation), it is so much better than PhotoMerge from Photoshop, no broken lines from the cabling! The full size image is 10651x6499. Just a quick post, now my son is sleeping

    [IMG] PTG_HDR Panorama_Web by PO-MING CHU, on Flickr[/IMG]

    Here is the selected 100% detail:


    PTG_HDR Panorama_Detail by PO-MING CHU, on Flickr

    The detail is insane from the DP2M, it's surely one of the cameras that you have to see with your own eye to believe in, tell anyone it has an APS-C inside, and they will soon lose interest! Now I just need to find more time to shoot with the camera, and yes, PTGui Pro is great and very easy to use, I used PS to straighten the perspective!
    ___________________
    Po-Ming Chu
    POPHOTO

  35. #885
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Hawaii
    Posts
    943
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    16

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    This is from before the weather turned grey.

    Michiel


    Holy crap!!

    R
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  36. #886
    Senior Member biglouis's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,940
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Michiel - lovely capture - the reflection and the texture of the water is fantastic.

    LouisB
    -----
    My new book "Whitechapel in 50 BUildings", Flikr Stream, www.louisberk.com
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  37. #887
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    889
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    I have a feeling after using DP2M shooting various subject matter, that the camera is really only suitable for shooting any subject matter other than "people." In color, and "very dependent" on the lighting conditions even outdoors, skin tones are hideously inaccurate, and due to the resolving detail the foveon sensor produces, it highly accentuates all imperfections to the surface, almost like localized clarity from LR on skin alone , in particularly middle aged people and older, and less so in children, clarity turned up high! I can only make similar comparisons to shooting people with IR cameras, where people subject matter is less flattering. It is almost to the extreme point, that in color, there is no correcting for this. When converting to B&W, this helps tone down the contrast otherwise seen, and is helped by NOT viewing at 100%.

    I have also tried shooting with a Nikon SB 900, triggered with radio transmitters through a soft box, and portrait distant snaps of my 2 year old at ISO 800, to be very useable, where otherwise isn't, but is probably as far as I will go ISO wise, so far only seen through the back of the screen.

    I purchased the camera mostly for landscape subject matter, to be more than happy with the resolving detail, exactly what i expected, but was hoping people wouldn't be such an issue, but it is. I'm also not talking about having luck for a few successful people shots, but in a general case!

    These are my observations so far, and far from being a rant, but I also wanted to see if others share the same feeling with DP2M and the foveon sensor, and if others had more luck, and can chime in for discussion.

    My general opinion of the DP2M so far in one word is incredible.
    ___________________
    Po-Ming Chu
    POPHOTO

  38. #888
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ithaca, NY
    Posts
    3,338
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Our sugar maples reached peak color and now they are dropping leaves. Unfortunately, that means I'm going to be busy raking, blowing, and mulching leaves for a few weeks.

    DP2M stitched images

    FULL SIZE


    FULL SIZE
    Carl
    Gallery
    Likes 2 Member(s) liked this post

  39. #889
    Senior Member Quentin_Bargate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Saffron Walden, UK
    Posts
    1,803
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    58

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    hi Po- Ming

    I know what you mean but I don't entirely agree. huylss has show the DP2M Can be used very sucessfully with people. I have Done a few people shots with it and it does err on the sie of extreme "realism".

    It cuts to the essence of the subject like a scalpel.

    Quentin
    Quentin Bargate
    Co-Founder of Ajuve, Director of Bargate Murray, Law Firm of the Year 2012 - 2016, Photographer
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  40. #890
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ithaca, NY
    Posts
    3,338
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    hi Po- Ming

    I know what you mean but I don't entirely agree. huylss has show the DP2M Can be used very sucessfully with people. I have Done a few people shots with it and it does err on the sie of extreme "realism".

    It cuts to the essence of the subject like a scalpel.

    Quentin
    Agree. I think that I will recommend the DP2M to my dermatologist who currently just uses a little Canon P&S.
    Carl
    Gallery
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  41. #891
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    778
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    I thought it renders skin tones quite nicely and accurately. Of course bitingly sharp and depending on ones agenda maybe not the camera to take pictures of the mother in law with
    Last edited by retow; 10th February 2013 at 22:27.
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  42. #892
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    Michiel Schierbeek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Amsterdam/Normandy
    Posts
    3,914
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    762

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    The ideal botox control camera!

  43. #893
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    889
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    I thought it renders skin tones quite nicely and accurately. Of course bitingly sharp and depending on ones agenda maybe not the camera to take pictures of the mother in law with
    I think this is my point, more usual than not, and if you reread my post, the middle age are at the most disadvantage. I also think that if you regularly shoot photos of your friends, you may soon lose them, than gain their favor

    It isn't a natural portrait camera, like most DSLRs, at least not on the beauty side of things. I think if a travel photog, were traveling to remote parts of the world capturing the essence of different cultures, say, china, India, Africa, Middle East, capturing the type of journalistic portraiture, it may give you something more, as you may say clinical and different enough. It certainly IS doable, but it just isn't the friendly type by any standards, and while it may be argued, I don't think it renders skin tones well at all. You can certainly favor conditions to shoot better, but it means going out of the way. Again, I will choose my subject carefully
    ___________________
    Po-Ming Chu
    POPHOTO

  44. #894
    Senior Member biglouis's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,940
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Po-ming

    From what I have seen of people shots with the D800 there is a similar problem. The test shots of models published by Nikon show that under their makeup their skin was pitted, full of zits and blackheads and other unsightly blemishes.

    Maybe high resolution photography is not suited to people!

    LouisB

  45. #895
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    889
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    LouisB,

    This may be very true, although it can be argued that MFD has seen many great portrait shots, and further argued that shots are taken in very controlled conditions, or one that favor it.


    I saw the hyluss Bowman photos and like them a lot! I'm not arguing that it cannot be done, but just not a general camera for it. I'm sure when someone comes along disproving everything I said and shoots beautiful people consistently of all ages, I will only respect them all the more!


    I am still going to shoot people with this camera, until I can find a consistent way to shoot them in better light under more conditions! Although, that's the side of me that finds the camera incredible, and feel it can be bent that way, although I may still fail compared to others! Although right now, I don't think my wife who is 8 months pregnant will allow me to point the camera her way!
    ___________________
    Po-Ming Chu
    POPHOTO

  46. #896
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Noosa Australia
    Posts
    61
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    So, I wondered, what does a DP2 image look like when uprezzed to about 60mp? Is it a pocket medium format camera?

    60mp is where the top of the range Hasselblad resides, and the IQ160 from Phase One. Can the DP2M match its performance in resolution terms?. Am I barking mad to even consider this a sensible challenge?

    Form your own view. I have uploaded the above hand-held DP2M shot of Clarence house at 200%, roughly equivalent to a 59mp image (9408 x 6272)

    Here is the link (below). Warning - *very* large jpeg file at max quality. The image was rezzed up using Photozoom Pro 4, S-Spline Max algorithm, some subsequent minor sharpening and a touch of grain added for realism. Not for a slow bandwith connection. sRGB.

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/59m...2M%20image.jpg

    It's not perfect, but is it in my opinion very good. No visible halos. This is a massive enlargement, but there is still a lot of detail. In print, I would wager it would be hard to detect it was not from a MF camera. There is some smearing of fine detail, but I decoded with standard NR so I could reduce that by decoding again with NR turned off. In other words, I did not make any particuar effort to minimise NR impact and I had sharpening turned down in Sigma Photo Pro. I have no idea if the end result would have been even better if I had chosen other settings. I just took a punt with this image. Also I perpective corrected the image which will affect pixel level shaprness.

    The limits of the sensor resolution can nonetheless be seen.

    I am sure I can do better.

    Quentin
    Thank y ou Quentin for sharing these great pictures.
    I will be getting my DP2 next week. The main reason for my purchase was that I wanted a camera small enough to take with me all the time and an image quality that will let me print large prints ( 24x39" and larger ). Since I am not the most patient person I downloaded your unpressed file and did a test print on a medium similar to the old Cibachrome at 40x60". The result was mind boggling !
    I am looking forward to printing my own photos.
    Cheers, Volker

  47. #897
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Columbus,Ohio
    Posts
    396
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    I'd say its really a question of if your attempting to flatter the subject, or show the reality of the subject. Isn't so much a camera issue, but a general aesthetics issue.

    Make up, digital retouching, skin smoothing etc, is all typical for the course of some portraits, especially female glamor/fashion type photography.

    At the same time, some photogs may want to actually showcase and feature every last line on a face, think something along the lines of an old cowboy who's lived a hard life. You want to show off that raw honest appeal of every last wrinkle and scar, as there is a life story written in them.

    I remember back in college doing tight portraits with a 4x5 large format, simply for the awesome tonality and resolving power. No make up artist, no retouching, just pure and raw portraits.

    DP2M (especially in b/w) is great for this
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  48. #898
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    889
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Millsart View Post
    I'd say its really a question of if your attempting to flatter the subject, or show the reality of the subject. Isn't so much a camera issue, but a general aesthetics issue.

    Make up, digital retouching, skin smoothing etc, is all typical for the course of some portraits, especially female glamor/fashion type photography.

    At the same time, some photogs may want to actually showcase and feature every last line on a face, think something along the lines of an old cowboy who's lived a hard life. You want to show off that raw honest appeal of every last wrinkle and scar, as there is a life story written in them.

    I remember back in college doing tight portraits with a 4x5 large format, simply for the awesome tonality and resolving power. No make up artist, no retouching, just pure and raw portraits.

    DP2M (especially in b/w) is great for this
    Which reality?

    I really wasn't trying to flatter the subject, but in reality it did quite the opposite!
    I think to make my posting more clear, if I shot a DSLR with a very sharp lens, say tele end of 85mm, or a macro lens... Well it wasn't doing that sort of honest of showing just every detail, it was more about how it pushed the limits of what you were seeing with your naked eye.

    Last weekend, I visited friends, and we went to the park with our 2 year olds. Lets just say the pronounced skin detail, isn't what I would say I was even picking up with my eyes.

    From my original post, I made a comparison about LR clarity being cranked up, and also shooting with an IR camera, so servere that while the blemishes maybe accurate as to facial location, the contrast and intensity was not!

    Unfortunately I won't be posting photos of my friends to demonstrate this point, but I am sure others who own this camera, and shoot enough people, may understand the point I am trying to stress when they come across it. It certainly won't happen all the time, but all twenty or so frames, the adults, including myself looked very bad, while the kids were fine, if the tonality were inaccurate according to me.

    Very raw, might describe what I was seeing!

    The camera might even be sharper than my eyes LOL!
    ___________________
    Po-Ming Chu
    POPHOTO

  49. #899
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Columbus,Ohio
    Posts
    396
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Its no different than how you set up your studio lighting, and the type of modifiers you use. The way I'd light a childs portrait is different than a 40 some year old female and different, than as previously mentioned, an old weathered cowboy. Hard light, soft light, etc. They are tools, just as the DP2M is a tool.

    Would I use it for snapshots etc ? No, mainly because its simply a horrible camera for that type of work, IQ issues aside, and I've got plenty of other cameras that are better suited for casual shooting.

    DP2M was purchased as a specific landscape tool really. I'm not going to be taking images of family/friends with it, any more than I would be pulling out the 4x5 Toyo field camera and taking snapshots of kids friends in the park.

    However, if the right situations arouse, I wouldn't hesitant to make use of it. Perhaps if a tattoo artist wanted to showcase their work. The fine tonality of the X3 sensor could be a useful tool for this.

  50. #900
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Hawaii
    Posts
    943
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    16

    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    Which reality?

    I really wasn't trying to flatter the subject, but in reality it did quite the opposite! Very raw, might describe what I was seeing!

    The camera might even be sharper than my eyes LOL!
    Po-Ming........I agree with everything you have said. I wouldn't go around within my group of friends using this as snapshot camera......but in general that same group has become quite camera shy, regardless of type.

    I am still liking/using my DP1M more than the DP2M. Here is a quick shot with what I would loosely call an "environmental" portrait.



    With this type of shot, I would take this level of detail hands down over another (more flattering) combination of camera and lens.



    Uuummmm.....BTW, I won't be using this for any self portraits

    R
    Likes 2 Member(s) liked this post

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •