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    Thanks Quentin, when it comes to that, yes it is rather fantastic, at my screen its about 220 cm's wide. And yes the tiles at the roof are smearing etc., just like artistic-painted, and the stones in the forground and so, but the sign at the right Windmill etc. are totally sharp and the bricks are well defined, so are the windows.
    Yes that is impressive. I dont think my 800E will be able to do it better or even as good!
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    Ps. hope C1 can take the raw-files, do you know anything of that?
    pps, now it even speaks even more to my going-simple-idea.

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    Hi Thorkil

    S-Spline Max does add some smearing, as does NR. But that aside, the net result, to me, was fairly extraordinary, particulary factoring in the fact I had not made any special effort (yet).

    Sorry, I know nothing of C1. I use Phocus for the H4D-50 and usually ACR. But it does not support the DP2 M yet

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    Quentin,

    Must say it all seems rather exciting at the moment. I'm a relative newcomer to all this computerised digital malarkey and know not much about the innards of all these toys, but there does seem to be some game-changing stuff happening.

    The Foveon looks grand and if you're claiming the 6x7 high ground for it I'm doing the same 35mm wise for the RX100. I have no access to getting large prints done but one day I'm going to divide one of my pics into 6 or 9 pieces, make a print of each piece and join together to form something like a 20"x30" image, just for fun. Back in the day I made some lovely 'Hockneyesqe' joiners.


    Some of my 10x8 negs were printed up to 9ft. x 6ft. and were magical.

    Your pics are great to look at.

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    Impressive indeed Q . . . how does the camera behave? is it a bit snappier than the DP1?

    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post

    The Foveon looks grand and if you're claiming the 6x7 high ground for it I'm doing the same 35mm wise for the RX100.
    I think that Q also has an RX100 (haven't you Q?). Of course, they're quite different beasts, but I'd be fascinated to see a side by side comparison at base ISO, and equivalent focal lengths.

    Over to You Q!

    all the best

    p.s. the shots are lovely - but that's you and not the camera!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post
    Quentin,

    Must say it all seems rather exciting at the moment. I'm a relative newcomer to all this computerised digital malarkey and know not much about the innards of all these toys, but there does seem to be some game-changing stuff happening.

    The Foveon looks grand and if you're claiming the 6x7 high ground for it I'm doing the same 35mm wise for the RX100. I have no access to getting large prints done but one day I'm going to divide one of my pics into 6 or 9 pieces, make a print of each piece and join together to form something like a 20"x30" image, just for fun. Back in the day I made some lovely 'Hockneyesqe' joiners.


    Some of my 10x8 negs were printed up to 9ft. x 6ft. and were magical.

    Your pics are great to look at.

    Cheers,

    Gandolfi.
    Hi Gandolfi,

    Many thanks, it is all rather fun

    I have an Epson 7900 and can and do print up to 24" wide. That's a decent size, perticularly wiuth a 24 x 36 or so print, matted and framed. I actually need all that resolution (sometimes)!

    I also have an RX100 and its a great pocket camera. But it does not have the pixel level quality of the DP2M. Then again the DP2M is a fixed focal length lens camera.

    I loved 10x8. I used to drum scan 4x5 and 10x8 transparencies on my Howtek D4500 drum scanner. All in the past now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Impressive indeed Q . . . how does the camera behave? is it a bit snappier than the DP1?



    I think that Q also has an RX100 (haven't you Q?). Of course, they're quite different beasts, but I'd be fascinated to see a side by side comparison at base ISO, and equivalent focal lengths.

    Over to You Q!

    all the best

    p.s. the shots are lovely - but that's you and not the camera!
    Hi Jono

    Belated happy birthday to you, and thanks for the kind comments! sorry I missed the actual day.

    Yes, my RX100 is going strong, but...the DP2M *sigh*....
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    I also have an RX100 and its a great pocket camera. But it does not have the pixel level quality of the DP2M. Then again the DP2M is a fixed focal length lens camera.
    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Hi Jono

    Belated happy birthday to you, and thanks for the kind comments! sorry I missed the actual day.

    Yes, my RX100 is going strong, but...the DP2M *sigh*....
    Birthdays are to be missed (if possible), but comparisons between a DP2 and an RX100 at equivalent focal lengths and Apertures are not.

    I'm sure you're right, but let's have a look (pretty please!)

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    Hmmm...I will try oblige...soon...!
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    A bit ashamed I must join Gandolfi in our lacking wisdom doing all the different computerstuff. So your talk of Photozoom Pro 4, S-Spline Max algorithm etc. are just plain Black talk for me. The C1 is for me the most intuitive system, and the one I have to rely on. But it seems like they don't support Sigma camera's. But can one just convert the files to TIFF in the Sigma software? and then carry on in C1. Perhaps thats the way to go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    A bit ashamed I must join Gandolfi in our lacking wisdom doing all the different computerstuff. So your talk of Photozoom Pro 4, S-Spline Max algorithm etc. are just plain Black talk for me. The C1 is for me the most intuitive system, and the one I have to rely on. But it seems like they don't support Sigma camera's. But can one just convert the files to TIFF in the Sigma software? and then carry on in C1. Perhaps thats the way to go?
    Thorkil
    Absolutely that would work just fine. Its what I do except I post process in Photoshop. Photozoom Pro is a resizing program with a nimber of useful options. Works as a plug in and standalone program.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    I'm going to guess that DP2 Merrill will produce prints approaching twice the size of RX100 prints for similar quality.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quentin, if you also could do some words about the practical-every-day handling, also for deadly people, compared to the RX100 or perhaps a GRD, that would be really good.
    I guess the Iso-range would be smaller? Up til 800 or 1600? and the AF would not be so fast(/accurate) or?
    But one is willing to forsake to get some more and eye-opening/interesting quality. B&W from a RX100 looks a little dull or?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post
    I'm going to guess that DP2 Merrill will produce prints approaching twice the size of RX100 prints for similar quality.
    G.
    Ah, but how do you define twice the size . . . twice the length, or twice the area?

    personally I'd be rather surprised if the difference were that great in either case, but we shall see!

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    [QUOTE=jonoslack;444387]Ah, but how do you define twice the size . . . twice the length, or twice the area?
    Hi Jono,

    'If two is the half of three what's the half of four.'

    The harbour master in Jersey apparently doodled on this question with my Dad in about 1925. Unfortunately his workings out have been lost in the mists of time.

    Do I ever know what I MEAN??

    I think I meant twice the length, or was it twice the area, my brain keeps buffering up!

    I always liked the old Leonard Cohen poem.

    "People who eat meat like to get their teeth into something,
    People who don't eat meat like to get their teeth into something else,
    If these thoughts interest you, even for a moment,
    You are lost".

    Cheers,

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    ps. Call that a poem? Doesn't even rhyme!
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Twice the size, as in 200% enlargement, means a 60mp file. See above - its large! It means 4 times the pixels. I would guess that the Merrill would certainly go to 30mp and look as good as a NEX-7 file at its native resolution (but would be a tad larger of course), but its just a guess. Also, there is more to this comparison than merely resolution. The 200% (60mp)enlargement I demoe'd above shows the potential.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    allow me to say some silly words.
    No, itís not about sharpness, its not about size (unless you have to print big).
    Its about unusualnes, its about twist in the fine details, thatís makes the picture to an unusual one, that we are looking for.
    B&W pictures are unusual in themselves, and therefore have gone some of the way. Colored pictures are not. And attempts by HDR or oversharpening makes them ugly. Some of the finest artists in the world was/are able to make those contradict-point or just another colour, you don't see, at a certain distance to what its trying to balance or to make it sparkle. Some do this intuitive, some by trying, until the balance arises. But itís a balance with build in tension. And that is what matters.
    What I mean, we are looking for the unusual, unusual sharp, or unusual rendering, 3-diamentional etc. look. And colour-wise our eye would also like to see something of that strange mixture its sometimes able to create itself, combined with the brain, create subjective feeling of light, modd out of the reality. Therefore a coloured picture is up against a hard competition. I don't know whatís happening with large-format cameras with ultra-sharp lenses, but they get something in them that makes a special glow and sparkling. I guess it might be the 3 colour layers in the foroven-sensor that do the job, colourwise, its mix the colours at the edges and in the shifting tones that are doing that sort of unexpected proces. And the result is that our eye catches it, and become interested in whatís going on here. And sometimes it look a bit weird. But then the taget is reached.
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    A touch of Shoreditch Usain, Sclater St, , courtesy of the talented Jimmy C, captured with the DP2 Merril



    And further down in Redchurch St

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    [QUOTE=Thorkil;444407]allow me to say some silly words.

    Thorkil,

    You say as many silly words as you like.

    Your musings are always interesting and amusing

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    allow me to say some silly words.

    Thorkil,

    You say as many silly words as you like.

    Your musings are always interesting and amusing

    Cheers,

    Gandolfi.
    Thank you very much Gandolfi, sometimes one stick the head out, and then regret
    Thank you for the pictures Quentin! allthough my eye just also looking for the "normal" colours above and besides her reed hair, to see the shine from the DP!
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    I have done my first very, very rough test bewteen a NEX-7 with Zeiss 24mm lens and the Sigma DP2M, both at F3.2 and 100ISO, all sharpening turned of in Sigma Photo Pro, default settings for the NEX-7 in ACR, Sigma rezzed up to the exact same size as the NEX-7 file using standard Photoshop resizing and I would say it is very close, with perhaps the edge to the DP2M. Not a proper test so I won't publish the pics but will try a publishable comparison soon.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    I have done my first very, very rough test bewteen a NEX-7 with Zeiss 24mm lens and the Sigma DP2M, both at F3.2 and 100ISO, all sharpening turned of in Sigma Photo Pro, default settings for the NEX-7 in ACR, Sigma rezzed up to the exact same size as the NEX-7 file using standard Photoshop resizing and I would say it is very close, with perhaps the edge to the DP2M. Not a proper test so I won't publish the pics but will try a publishable comparison soon.
    Great stuff - do throw the RX100 into the mix - it may lose, but I'd like to see by how much. . . . and if you have an OMD with a suitable lens!

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    The DP2M should give roughly a comparative quality to 1.75 to 2.25 times its pixel count in Bayer sensor terms. This means 26.25 to 33.75 megapixels. Yes I would expect the DP2M to do notably better than an RX100- though of course if you are printing 8x10 and doing web publishing it really doesn't matter on that end.

    The Foveon in general still has a certain crispness to its colors though.

    If your photography is done mostly in good light and at the lowest ISO's (100, 200), the DP2M is indeed a great proposition. You get a pocketable (or near so) tool that can give you ballpark medium format or near medium format quality, that's quite something.

    From what I have seen of the shots so far in general, the lens of the DP2M is indeed improved over the DP2's- the DP2's had some weird ghosting bokeh when up close with some subjects- I have yet to see this issue with the DP2M.

    Where the DP2m/Foveon falls apart is at high iso, low light, night shots that require higher iso. Here I would expect even the RX100 to do better. (Hell, even the Pentax Q seems to do somewhat better at the highest iso's in some situations). If your photography is in lower available light, a Foveon based camera isn't as hot.

    I would say right now if I was a daylight photographer I would buy one *yesterday* and make that my main camera for my personal work.

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    Please don't mention it to others , but these words, and Quentins shots (although I would not be able to do those things with the pictures IQ-wise) could make me definitely throw away DSLR's. The DP1M for the fine and enough-light situations, The Ricoh GXR+M for the-almost any situations with different M-lenses but not quit that special DP-Foveon-drawing, and a Ricoh-GRD as a good friend, you-are-always-with-me-in-the-pocket.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Raist

    That's the theory, but its not a linear comparison, because there are differences other than resolution to consider. My expectation (and broadly my "findings") has been around 2x, so roughly 30mp. But its not an exact science and modern mosaic or bayer sensors are excellent. The one thing my test is not is scientific!

    I will redo the test today and upload something for the general amusement of all.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    OK, now check for yourselves ...warning: all very large files, saved as jpegs at quality 11. Adobe RGB so may looked washed out.

    Sigma DP2M uprezzed in Photoshop using Bicubic Automatic to 6000x4000, 100ISO, F8, tripod mounted, all sharpening turned off.

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/Sig..._6000x4000.jpg

    Second, the same shot as above, but using the default sharpening settings in Sigma Photo Pro and all NR turned off

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/Sig...en-decoded.jpg

    Finally, NEX-7 at native resolution, Zeiss 24mm lens, slightly closer to subject to compensate for wider angle lens, tripod, decoded in Camera raw, PS6, at default settings.

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/NEX...resolution.jpg

    Look at the fine wire mesh in the glass in the roof to the right of the chimney stack, which I think it quite revealing.
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    That's the theory, but its not a linear comparison, because there are differences other than resolution to consider. My expectation (and broadly my "findings") has been around 2x, so roughly 30mp. But its not an exact science and modern mosaic or bayer sensors are excellent. The one thing my test is not is scientific!
    I think you and I are saying the same thing here :-) That's why I gave a range on the resolution and why I mentioned the colors.

    I will redo the test today and upload something for the general amusement of all.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Looks good Q - as does your lovely house . . . still, it's not enough to persuade me to use a pocket camera with one focal length - did you do the RX100 as well?
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

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    OK, now check for yourselves ...warning: all very large files, saved as jpegs at quality 11. Adobe RGB so may looked washed out.

    Sigma DP2M uprezzed in Photoshop using Bicubic Automatic to 6000x4000, 100ISO, F8, tripod mounted, all sharpening turned off.

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/Sig..._6000x4000.jpg

    Second, the same shot as above, but using the default sharpening settings in Sigma Photo Pro and all NR turned off

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/Sig...en-decoded.jpg

    Finally, NEX-7 at native resolution, Zeiss 24mm lens, slightly closer to subject to compensate for wider angle lens, tripod, decoded in Camera raw, PS6, at default settings.

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/NEX...resolution.jpg

    Look at the fine wire mesh in the glass in the roof to the right of the chimney stack, which I think it quite revealing.
    Could the comparison (NEX-7) better done at f/5.6 instead of f/8? Why go way past the diffraction?
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    I think the second picture from the DP2M is the best. And against the colour-separation, the drawing at the threes, the antenna, the top of the chimney with the metal-string-and roof is the best, and nex can't reach the quality of drawing and colours, and the way of sharpening the edges. Thanks.
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    (ps. as an architect, allow me to say, those british houses are very special, a sort of mixture of and sometimes with almost romantic fairy-tail-likenes, and with traditional/conservativ(which I do like) crafmanship in a very nice way.)
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Could the comparison (NEX-7) better done at f/5.6 instead of f/8? Why go way past the diffraction?
    That, my dear Vivek, is why these comparisons are always contentious and also why I dont usually do them. Whose to say the same is not true of the DP2M? There is no science here.....
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    ....and right now I am pottering around Ely with the DP2m having dropped my Jag off for an MOT....
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    ..and upload something for the general amusement of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    The DP2M should give roughly a comparative quality to 1.75 to 2.25 times its pixel count in Bayer sensor terms. This means 26.25 to 33.75 megapixels. Yes I would expect the DP2M to do notably better than an RX100- though of course if you are printing 8x10 and doing web publishing it really doesn't matter on that end.

    The Foveon in general still has a certain crispness to its colors though.

    If your photography is done mostly in good light and at the lowest ISO's (100, 200), the DP2M is indeed a great proposition. You get a pocketable (or near so) tool that can give you ballpark medium format or near medium format quality, that's quite something.

    From what I have seen of the shots so far in general, the lens of the DP2M is indeed improved over the DP2's- the DP2's had some weird ghosting bokeh when up close with some subjects- I have yet to see this issue with the DP2M.

    Where the DP2m/Foveon falls apart is at high iso, low light, night shots that require higher iso. Here I would expect even the RX100 to do better. (Hell, even the Pentax Q seems to do somewhat better at the highest iso's in some situations). If your photography is in lower available light, a Foveon based camera isn't as hot.

    I would say right now if I was a daylight photographer I would buy one *yesterday* and make that my main camera for my personal work.

    - Raist
    I think the RX100 and the DP2 Merrill will make a great ultra light travel combo. I'll pick mine up on Saturday. The RX100 I already have and think it's a great and very capable point and shoot.

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    Keep on pushing Quentin..! We all sit still and patiently and wait for some more....
    PS. Have you all dropped your GRD and turned over to the RX100? But will the love last? 2 weeks with enthusiasm(like a new car), 2 months and then its just a camera, and after that, it will only be YOUR camera if you get friendly connected(look back, how many camera did you achieve that with in your lifetime). Do you get friendly-RX-connected (I woun't ask that about the DP, because I know I would...allmost 98,5% certain..)
    Well....I have to wait 2 month to ask again of course....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Keep on pushing Quentin..! We all sit still and patiently and wait for some more....
    PS. Have you all dropped your GRD and turned over to the RX100? But will the love last? 2 weeks with enthusiasm(like a new car), 2 months and then its just a camera, and after that, it will only be YOUR camera if you get friendly connected(look back, how many camera did you achieve that with inm your lifetime). Do you get frienly-RX-connected (I woun't ask that about the DP, because I know I would...allmost 98,5% certain..)
    Well....I have to wait 2 month to ask again of course....
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    Well Thorkil,

    You will see over on another thread I have now consummated my affair with the RX100 and I think it will be everlasting love, well, for ever really.

    ps. Keep on making me laugh please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post
    Well Thorkil,

    You will see over on another thread I have now consummated my affair with the RX100 and I think it will be everlasting love, well, for ever really.

    ps. Keep on making me laugh please.

    Plaese then report when you are being unfaithfull..
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    When it comes to cameras, I'm a man with no morals at all...

    I still have the RX100 and its a great camera but not really close to the quality of the DP2M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    When it comes to cameras, I'm a man with no morals at all...

    I still have the RX100 and its a great camera but not really close to the quality of the DP2M.
    I guess we all are more or less unfaithfull in that area all the time...if only the producers wouln't produce so much, life would be more simple, even happyer in a way, and perhaps with better pictures (even though we buy more camera's to make better pictures....hmm)
    And the last sentence of yours is importent, thats where the waters divide themselves, looking for the inner soul of a camera. Thanks.

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    With film that is more or less how it was Thorkil....but i don't miss film...
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    Conclusive proof the Merill is first class



    (on way back from Ely, taken with my Samsung Galaxy PDS camera..)
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    I guess, somehow, you are right, right now. But, allthough, I'm wondering how much happier my D800E have made me compared to D3 (yes less bulk, less weight, but also less simple, more demanding).
    Thorkil
    Just generally speaken: too much/many choises can be distracting, you often don't get maximum out of a "one(or two...three)-and-only", perhaps a pro do. Or is it sometimes our dreams/expectations that are skyhigh, and we soon have to realize that they don't "save our lives", they are just a tool, and the rest is in our mind (and legs)

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    Just a few of many from Ely today

    Ceiling of the Cathedral









    The 30mm lens on the DP2M is sharp from edge edge with zero fringing - spectacular performance which shows just what Sigma are capable of. However, 400ISO is really as high as you can safely go.
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    Very nice work with the DP2M Quentin. I decided to give the DP2M a try as well after seeing your outstanding images and others around the net. I enjoyed using the DP2S two years ago and was amazed by the Foveon sensor output. Although it produced lovely images it just didn't have enough resolution for my printing needs so I moved on to other cameras (too many) that had more resolution, but not the output quality that the Foveon produced. Here are a few full size jpegs from the DP2M, shot in raw and processed minimally in SPP and then LR4 for jpeg output.

    Blue Sky
    Weathered Door
    Weathered Window & Shingles
    Dirty Towels
    Boathouse Door

    A comparison (flawed of course) of the DP2M and OMD
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    Note the lack of artifacts, moire, and aliasing in the wood grain in the shots of the window and doors. I'm looking forward to doing some landscape work this fall with the DP2M. I use the camera on a small Gitzo (1027) tripod, ISO 100, and 2 sec self timer release. Processing in SPP includes no noise reduction, -1 sharpening, and export as 16 bit tiff. LR4 is only slight clarity adjustment, no sharpening, and also no noise reduction. Can't get more minimal than that. I haven't pushed these files very much but so far I don't see any of the banding and shadow noise people are screaming about over at DPR (see blue sky and boathouse door images).
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    However, 400ISO is really as high as you can safely go.
    What a pity!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What a pity!
    I know but I guess you can't have everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Very nice work with the DP2M Quentin. I decided to give the DP2M a try as well after seeing your outstanding images and others around the net. I enjoyed using the DP2S two years ago and was amazed by the Foveon sensor output. Although it produced lovely images it just didn't have enough resolution for my printing needs so I moved on to other cameras (too many) that had more resolution, but not the output quality that the Foveon produced. Here are a few full size jpegs from the DP2M, shot in raw and processed minimally in SPP and then LR4 for jpeg output.

    Blue Sky
    Weathered Door
    Weathered Window & Shingles
    Dirty Towels
    Boathouse Door

    A comparison (flawed of course) of the DP2M and OMD
    DP2M
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    Note the lack of artifacts, moire, and aliasing in the wood grain in the shots of the window and doors. I'm looking forward to doing some landscape work this fall with the DP2M. I use the camera on a small Gitzo (1027) tripod, ISO 100, and 2 sec self timer release. Processing in SPP includes no noise reduction, -1 sharpening, and export as 16 bit tiff. LR4 is only slight clarity adjustment, no sharpening, and also no noise reduction. Can't get more minimal than that. I haven't pushed these files very much but so far I don't see any of the banding and shadow noise people are screaming about over at DPR (see blue sky and boathouse door images).
    Nice post, Carl.

    A general observation (not related to your images alone): whenever someone shows images from a new camera, they are always striking. The OM-D, yesterday and the DP-M today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Very nice work with the DP2M Quentin. I decided to give the DP2M a try as well after seeing your outstanding images and others around the net. I enjoyed using the DP2S two years ago and was amazed by the Foveon sensor output. Although it produced lovely images it just didn't have enough resolution for my printing needs so I moved on to other cameras (too many) that had more resolution, but not the output quality that the Foveon produced. Here are a few full size jpegs from the DP2M, shot in raw and processed minimally in SPP and then LR4 for jpeg output.

    Blue Sky
    Weathered Door
    Weathered Window & Shingles
    Dirty Towels
    Boathouse Door

    A comparison (flawed of course) of the DP2M and OMD
    DP2M
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    Note the lack of artifacts, moire, and aliasing in the wood grain in the shots of the window and doors. I'm looking forward to doing some landscape work this fall with the DP2M. I use the camera on a small Gitzo (1027) tripod, ISO 100, and 2 sec self timer release. Processing in SPP includes no noise reduction, -1 sharpening, and export as 16 bit tiff. LR4 is only slight clarity adjustment, no sharpening, and also no noise reduction. Can't get more minimal than that. I haven't pushed these files very much but so far I don't see any of the banding and shadow noise people are screaming about over at DPR (see blue sky and boathouse door images).
    Hi Carl, nice work. Just what the DP2 was made for. You'll love the DP2M. As for banding...well, I can see some faint hatched patterns in sky areas if I *really* push the files like crazy, but I can also easily eliminate them using Neat Image applied selectively if I need to. dpreview has become a place for obsessives, not photographers. The DP2M is a true photographers camera.
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    Quentin,

    Pics of Ely Cathedral look great.

    I have been thinking of coming up to Ely for some time and still hope to get up for a look see in the Autumn.

    I have a vague thoughtdream which sometimes swims into my brain that some old relative from the 19th century lived there or thereabouts and drove geese down to market in London.

    Whatever, if I do get there, I will certainly take some RX100 pics and post if any good.

    Foveon still rules it seems!

    Cheers,

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    They are just marvellous shots, Quentin! Wonderfull.
    But specially the last one proves the ability to render in a special 3-dimentional way. I donít think even my Hassy SWC would have been able to do the job in this sort of way. But you are also skilled, but on the other hand it demands the right basis to do such job.
    When the DP1M has arrived (and Iíve sold the 800E) Iíll have to live with the shortage of 400iso, yes thatís a pity(but perhaps the way "to go back in time" as I've spoken of ). But I then just have to get the GXR or GRD with me as support, when doing picture at job, and in spare-time just live with the limitations or bringing support. Yes I'm willing to live with limitations, I do think. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Nice post, Carl.

    A general observation (not related to your images alone): whenever someone shows images from a new camera, they are always striking. The OM-D, yesterday and the DP-M today.
    Thanks Vivek. How true, they just keep on coming and we keep looking for the perfect camera.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Hi Carl, nice work. Just what the DP2 was made for. You'll love the DP2M. As for banding...well, I can see some faint hatched patterns in sky areas if I *really* push the files like crazy, but I can also easily eliminate them using Neat Image applied selectively if I need to. dpreview has become a place for obsessives, not photographers. The DP2M is a true photographers camera.
    Thanks Quentin. The DP2M is certainly not a beauty queen - more like a small, minimalistic black box, but with an outstanding sensor inside. It requires some patience and recognition of limitations (both the camera and photographer) to get the most from it, but it sure can deliver when the stars are all aligned.
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