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    Thanks to all who commented on the image of my Mother; quite unexpected. As well, I have learned much about colour casts, etc. (and I have to say the X-E1 has none of these little habits). I work on my meagre PS skills... cheers, KL

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    The folowing image with the DP2M is in colour, but there is almost no colour in the shot. The trees have faint tint. The original is typical DP2M sharp

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quentin, these shots are absolutely breathtaking (particularly the sepia one with the bokeh limb in the foreground for added depth). Thanks so much for sharing (and taking).

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    OK

    I'm back...

    Took the DP2M for a stroll today...actually had some time off to visit my favorite rail yard...not a real one...retired cars and a couple of steam engines that tour the area rails.

    So here are a couple of pictures from the morning.


    Sigma DP2M



    Yellow Caboose and Signage







    Converging Tracks







    Green Rail Car and Clock Tower






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    A couple more


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    A Bit Legalistic







    Rail House in Yellow






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    For me, 'Rail House in Yellow" is truly evocative. Tariq (I think it was) showed us recently that SPP crushes the blacks before we even see any images in the processor window, and he and both feel that this is part of the "Foveon" look (that and incredible detail). That image will print like film—and the attractiveness of it is not just the nostalgia of the film look (I don't think); it's as much about reducing the reality of the experience to its elements—as much about what is suggested as what's explicit.

    For example, with DR 400 set, the X-E1 probably would have given us details on the posts' surfaces that are facing us, but the image above suggests their presence instead. The overall effect of this (perhaps part of the alleged 'Foveon' look) is that the graphic elements emerge. For me personally, this is how I remember things, and I think that's where the nostalgic aspects arise. Just 2's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Quentin, these shots are absolutely breathtaking (particularly the sepia one with the bokeh limb in the foreground for added depth). Thanks so much for sharing (and taking).

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    Thanks, Peter; Both were taken very near my home.

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    Want to add to Quentins "Monchrome in color" series:
    Fog,Field and snow


    Just a little bit of color:


    Tow geese (crop) :

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >Who said the DPM's aren't for portrait work!

    For me they show too much detail. But this is also a matter of the image size on the web.
    I am with Uwe (now speaking in general) that some portrait shots with the DP2M can have too much detail, that to me it gets digitally-distracting (hardly a "film look"). The good news is that some of that can be tamed by sliding SPP sharpness slider to the left (soft). Sort of work to some degree to tame that.

    Certainly it's better to have the option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    I am with Uwe (now speaking in general) that some portrait shots with the DP2M can have too much detail, that to me it gets digitally-distracting (hardly a "film look"). The good news is that some of that can be tamed by sliding SPP sharpness slider to the left (soft). Sort of work to some degree to tame that.

    Certainly it's better to have the option.

    - Ricardo
    With the greatest respect, Ricardo, you can never have too much detail. its like saying you have too much colour, or too much light. Its nonsense. More detail is always better. if you need to tame the detail for aesthetic reasons, as may well be the case with female portraits, there are plenty post-production options available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    With the greatest respect, Ricardo, you can never have too much detail. its like saying you have too much colour, or too much light. Its nonsense. More detail is always better.
    Saying you can never have too much detail is nonsense too. It all depends on your needs and wants for a particular photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    With the greatest respect, Ricardo, you can never have too much detail. its like saying you have too much colour, or too much light. Its nonsense. More detail is always better. if you need to tame the detail for aesthetic reasons, as may well be the case with female portraits, there are plenty post-production options available.

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    I agree 100% = You can not put details in a photo, that is not there from the beginning, but you can always "blur" it - that is not hard, but easy, and if you want it in a pro way e.g. use portraits "blur" from Nik software or another software.

    It is the details from this camera (and I like the colors too), that is the reason I have ordered it and a lot of very fine posts from Quentin, thanks A LOT to you.

    I simply love details for my landscapes, therefore I bought the Nikon D3x, but it looks like this camera here perhaps can beat it.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Some detail here:

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    Almost monochrome:

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Amstel river.

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    We are still in the "big chill" with below zero temps. A comparison shot from a brief walk along the lake using the DP2M and an IR converted Nex 5N fitted with a Contax C/Y 28mm Distagon.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Carl, both good, but I prefer the DP2M shot
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    Carl, In this case I like the black&white HDR of the 5n as well, the way the sky and the lake are drawn.

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    the DP2M Carl, , the strongest and most harmonic, through my screen
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    An old postcard.

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    Some of my DP2Merrill images are presented here by outbackphoto.
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    "Geometrical power"
    Please look at 100% for sharpness and detail!

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    @Michiel:
    Congrats for being introduced on Uwe's webpage (outbackphoto)!

    Your work deserves well a wide attention. Uwes introduction is to the point.
    Best regards from icy Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Carl, both good, but I prefer the DP2M shot
    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Carl, In this case I like the black&white HDR of the 5n as well, the way the sky and the lake are drawn.

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    the DP2M Carl, , the strongest and most harmonic, through my screen
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    Thanks Quentin, Michiel, and Thorkil. I like both versions of this scene, but the DP2M still has best detail. The modified NEX 5N has no AA filter, but not enough gain in resolution to match the Foveon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    @Michiel:
    Congrats for being introduced on Uwe's webpage (outbackphoto)!

    Your work deserves well a wide attention. Uwes introduction is to the point.
    Best regards from icy Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    "Geometrical power"
    Please look at 100% for sharpness and detail!
    Excellent detail and amazing DOF for an f/4 exposure.
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    Finally got my hands on Sigma yesterday. Made first test shots outside and the results were AMAZING. Why do you need zoom if you have Sigma's enormous IQ Absolutely love the results. Writing speed to memory card is not as fast as I expected but also it doesn't disturb me.
    Made this shot this morning. My cat Naks was watching birds outside the window and i had a chance to capture her.

    ISO200 F2.8 1/60s
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    I'm little disturbed by this green casting in shadows but I'm working on that.

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    You all are making it tough to resist getting a DP2m ..... really tough!
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    Thank you W.Utsch! And Carl too!

    @ Jim, I can't help you decide but I think you will like it

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    Michiel, I am sure I would but I have been using a NEX system since it came out with a fair amount invested in gear. If the new Zeiss 12mm has corner issues and smearing(as the new UWA zoom has that I waited patiently for) on the N7 I will be looking for a small lightweight alternative for scenics (primarily out of disgust in waiting for a good E mount wide angle for the N5 and N7 so long) which the SD?m are at the top of the list right at this time.

    If I get a SD?m I will end up selling my whole NEX system ( I don't need two High Res low iso scenic lightweight camera systems) and I am not one of those types who are into selling my gear and buying new gear unless I have many excellent reasons to do so other than just chasing the latest and greatest technologies (I really dislike the whole process of selling gear on the net or for that matter from my home). I am hopeful that I am not waiting on Sony/Zeiss for nothing. I would rather add to my existing system things that work than search for other systems and loose money swapping systems all the time. Being retired in this economy has definitely effected my buying habits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    If I get a SD?m I will end up selling my whole NEX system ( I don't need two High Res low iso scenic lightweight camera systems) .
    Having compared published landscape shots at full res of conventional APS-C sensors and the new RX-1, the DP2M wins hands down. But you are limited when it comes to any high-iso work.

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    Reflecting on Dusseldorf

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    A little color again: Tulips
    Flowers are not my preferred objects but:

    Tried the AM-L 2 "Macro lens" at home (too cold outside)
    Wireless flash, Nikon flash triggered with Pocket Wizards

    1. Light from above:


    2. Light from underneath (through a glass)


    Detail, as always, at 100% is great.
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    Sliced Models (or its all in the lines)

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Having compared published landscape shots at full res of conventional APS-C sensors and the new RX-1, the DP2M wins hands down. But you are limited when it comes to any high-iso work.

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    I have not seen a printed DP?m image as yet as no one in my photographic society owns one of these cameras but from what I see on downsized digital images on the net I can see that the Sigma has a boatload of resolution.

    The limitation of low iso only is really of no concern to me as my scenic stuff (which would be why I would own a Sigma) is all supported low iso work. This is how I use my NEX's. My issue is focal length.......

    I primarily use a CG 45mm on my NEX7 most of the time for scenics and stitch vertical images together....... I would like to get away from this process if possible. With the DP2m I would most likely still have to vertical stitch to get the views I enjoy creating. I hear edge image issues with the DP1m but have not seen examples plus even its lens is really too narrow for my needs and wants as well.

    The Zeiss 12mm in E mount maybe my saving grace but if it fails to work on their NEX system flagship (NEX 7) properly I am not going to support Sony for this error any longer and will not buy another new sony camera just to use their wide angle lenses. I will look at alternative systems if I am forced to buy a new body. I have spent enough on this system already while waiting for this. The 12mm will be my make or break with the NEX system in lightweight scenic imaging.

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    Is the DP2M the best digital camera yet made?

    Is the Sigma DP2M the best digital camera yet made? Discuss...

    "Camden Charlie" - DP2M, Camden Lock, today.



    100% crop - outrageously detailed at iso200, f4, 1/125



    Both are as-is from SP5, just passed through LR for exporting as resized jpegs.

    I rest my case...
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    Re: Is the DP2M the best digital camera yet made?

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Is the Sigma DP2M the best digital camera yet made? ...
    Yes. Or at least, you could make out an argument that it is my argument would be that it has changed my photographic expectations and to some extent my photographic preferences and habits, which no other camera, even my H4D-50, has.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    @Jim DE
    I have a NEX 7 as well, it is a very fine cam. But, even used with good primes (Zeiss 24, Sigma 19 and Sony 50), the DP2M plays sharpness and resolution wise in an other league.
    The 24 Mpix of the Sony can not at all match the Sigma.
    This shows of course in big prints and on screen.
    For landscape and city i agree with Quentin et al it is, to date, the best digital cam (in its size and price range and beyond).
    The Sony or the Oly E-M5 (and others) have their place in photography for sure. You should be flexible, but if you can go and buy a DPM, you will find new photographic horizons!
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    Larch in winter, Tartu, Estonia

    100% crop


    FULL SIZE
    I think this camera sees better than my own eyes

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quentin, your finding of that diagonal is masterful.

    In response to Big Louis's question: the best IQ, a really intelligent UI, but no finder (and the colour casts and very slow write times) means overall not the best digital camera so far, but a huge step towards that goal. For me the best overall is the X-E1 with the 35/1.4, but I have not yet shot these side by side and compared the results. Despite the sophistication of the X-E1's interface, it is an easier camera to live with overall.

    Because I am stitching for wide angle views, it might be that the DP2 M's advantage in terms of pixel level sharpness might be mitigated by the X-E1's excellent colours, DR, and no AA filter IF C1Pro7 can solve the foliage smearing problem.

    If Sigma releases this FL camera with even a modest EVF, and added lossless compression Raw files and a small built-in flash that could be dialled down to -2.0EV, then I would sell the X-E1 today. The new X-100s is on pre-order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Quentin, your finding of that diagonal is masterful.
    Thanks, Kit. Odd, isn't it?! It's not that obvious at first!
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Well: that's what we are all trying to do: see, and capture, amazing things in daily life that (without sounding too critical, I hope) simply pass most people by. Amazing and beautiful things in daily life, right under our noses. Brilliant capture.

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    Re: Is the DP2M the best digital camera yet made?

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Is the Sigma DP2M the best digital camera yet made? Discuss...
    From an IQ performance / price / size ratio it would be hard to beat.
    The DP2M set a new standard and has raised the bar IMO.

    The RX1 owners may or may not agree. But I think the DP2M/RX1 would work well in a team.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    From an IQ performance / price / size ratio it would be hard to beat.
    The DP2M set a new standard and has raised the bar IMO.

    The RX1 owners may or may not agree. But I think the DP2M/RX1 would work well in a team.

    I do agree as I have both. The RX1 does have an excellent sensor-lens combo and its DR and high iso capabilities are great. But it is no match for the DP2M's resolution, sharpness and rendering of details for landscapes, cityscapes, stills. If I could only have one, the Sony would have to go.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Just received it - just unboxed it, and loaded the battery.

    The card I wanted to use came from another camera, so therefore I wanted to format it, but just now it is "Formatting"...... and it has done that now for 10 minutes, and stil does ? - That can not be right (it normally takes 10-30 seconds)? ?

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    The RX1 is rally tempting, but the price tag is way to high. I like the pics posted from the RX! in our forum. An other cam with fixed lens and no EVF (build in) is pretty hard to justify for me.

    Want to add to the discussion (best made digital cam....):
    The DP2M has not only the Foveon Sensor but a world-class lens as well. Even Leica and Zeiss glass has to fight the 2M's lens very hard.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Kyndel; Formatting is a question of seconds not minutes.

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    Kyndel; Formatting is a question of seconds not minutes.
    Yes it is, as mentioned, but after 15 minutes - still "Formatting.." and blinking it went were warm, so I had to take the battery out, even they do say: "Do not, while blinking," but any button was not to be used, whatever I clicked on.

    Then I took a couple of photos, and then Formating again, and then it went smooth like other cameras.

    Just hope I have not ruined anything in the camera, because I took the battery it - it was the only way ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyndel View Post
    Yes it is, as mentioned, but after 15 minutes - still "Formatting.." and blinking it went were warm, so I had to take the battery out, even they do say: "Do not, while blinking," but any button was not to be used, whatever I clicked on.

    Then I took a couple of photos, and then Formating again, and then it went smooth like other cameras.

    Just hope I have not ruined anything in the camera, because I took the battery it - it was the only way ??
    I had exactly the same problem. Waited till battery died, tried again with another battery and it was done in seconds.

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    Thanks, valka, I should have done the same, but it went warm, so I did not dare, but should have done, because I am a little worried now: How do I test if anything is "bad" now.??

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    Took some shots - with 0,0 in-camera sharpening. Perhaps it shall have a little bit ?

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    Did my normal sharpening - batch - it is a bit USM and a bit HIgh Pass mixed together in Nikon NX2 (Tiff) = Way too much, but it could benefit from a bit High Pass-sharpening (closed the USM-sharpening).

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    Sometimes there is a bit of front focus, sometimes not (did a special test, not scientific, but it is normal a fine test, that workes - 3 cola cans placed with distance and shoot at the largest aperture, and when I have had problems Nikon Repair shop has said "yes" to my findings with this test) but have not testet it with a tripod, so not sure, and the pictures are fine.

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    And I can say: No dead pixels, not hot pixels, no dust = The last I am very happy there are NOT, because it is not unusual to get a new camera with some dust particles, and here you can not clean it, so ..............well done, Sigma.

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