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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    I am really getting to like this "lil black brick" even more than even I anticipated.

    I mounted a Franiec grip on it yesterday (what a nice guy to do business with .. I don't do PayPal and he worked with me to get this deal done) and it does give the body a better feel though I will be shooting with it on a very light tripod 99% of the time so grip is not really an issue for my shooting. I have a Manfrotto hotshoe cube level on it now but ordered some of those flat hotshot cover bubble levels to try on it (.30 USD ... I splurged for 3 ) to try and get rid of some bump issues that big square cube sitting on top the hotshoe sometimes creates while carrying it.

    I am sold on these Merrells and see a DP1m in my future .... thanks to all those who have helped me along the way with this and those who quietly tolerated my questions Hopefully I can start to contribute more to discussions about theses fine tools as my experience with them grows.
    I bought this grip too, and I agree = He is a very friendly man to do business with + the grip is fine.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots - Morocco

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    This link is to a two-row panorama shot of the interior of Al-Attarine Madrasa, Fes, Morocco, mono sepia conversion, taken using the DP2M, Pano head and tripod last November (I have a colour version as well). Warning: large jpeg file. It has been sharpened for print, so it may look a little over sharp on screen.

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/Att...a_QDB_Mono.jpg

    I will on some future date link to a fuller set of shots from this trip (I have posted one earlier already). Its a question if having the time. The tinted conversion was done using NIK Silver Effex Pro, then tweaked on Photoshop.

    The biggest problem taking this shot were other tourists....They of course had a perfect right to be there, but getting the rows of images without someones head in it was a challenge It took over two hours as a result to get the final image.

    Quentin
    Wow. Thanks for this. I'll bet it looks great in color, too, with the DPM's ability to capture subtle tonality. I especially like the guy in the corner.
    In a lot of instances the new Sigmas are frustrating to view on the web because the resized output often don't translate well to the small screen. You are very generous to post this awe-inspiring masterpiece of detail.
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    The DP2M in Dubai. Nr. 2+3 ZF, f6.3, iso 200.
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    Anand, image SDIM0051-Edit-2 is superb; the expression, and the moment of capture is perfect.

    Quentin: magnificent, and the half-loiterer sets it off.

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    Dubai impressions.
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    All I can say is I am very happy I decided to get my DP2m.... it is bringing the fun back into my photography. I know if I do my part it will reward me with exceptional IQ so what more could one want in their camera. This is a meat and potato's camera more than a bell's and whistle's type and is taking me back to my photographic beginnings. Sadly my other camera systems are getting neglected at the moment due to this "lil black brick".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    All I can say is I am very happy I decided to get my DP2m.... it is bringing the fun back into my photography. I know if I do my part it will reward me with exceptional IQ so what more could one want in their camera. This is a meat and potato's camera more than a bell's and whistle's type and is taking me back to my photographic beginnings. Sadly my other camera systems are getting neglected at the moment due to this "lil black brick".
    If I ever go back to my Sony or Nikon, I'm going to have to take some time to remember how they work!

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    I guess I need to take a day and shoot some wildlife so I don't forget

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    Dubai, a city with many faces.
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    Dubai impressions.
    the staircase is delicate
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    Crazy shop II, snowing (Michiel where are you?):


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    A few shots taken with the DP2M today on a backyard gorge walk. All on tripod with one stitched image. Exposure was difficult with the patchy ice and snow.







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    Carl I hope those were your dogs tracks in that first image

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    Carl I hope those were your dogs tracks in that first image
    No Jim, not my dog, but lots of dog walkers use the trail in this gorge (as well as coyotes ). Actually, coyotes killed an off-leash dog on this trail last year when it ran out ahead of the owners into the woods.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Hello everybody

    first of all a big "CIAO", this is my very first post here, i am Marco from Italy.

    I've been reading and following with enthusiams this forum and especially this thread about the DP2M, and now i am going to buy one in the next week, i think.

    I have just one question, which for sure will be quite stupid for you: regarding lens hood and UV filter, do i have to buy the official Sigmas or any 49mm UV filter and any 49mm lens hood will fit anyway?

    Thank you again!

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    You could use any filter and hood but you must beware that it is possible to have some corner issues if the combo sticks out too far and affects the lenses field of view. The Sigma hood is designed to work in conjunction with a filter and still stay out of the FOV while protecting the lens from stray light or damage. I use a lens hood neoprene cap overtop of the lens hood like one would use a lens cap for added protection when not in use. Works great so far......

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    thanks a lot Jim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoPampaloni View Post
    Hello everybody

    first of all a big "CIAO", this is my very first post here, i am Marco from Italy.

    I've been reading and following with enthusiams this forum and especially this thread about the DP2M, and now i am going to buy one in the next week, i think.

    I have just one question, which for sure will be quite stupid for you: regarding lens hood and UV filter, do i have to buy the official Sigmas or any 49mm UV filter and any 49mm lens hood will fit anyway?

    Thank you again!
    You can buy any 49mm filter, they all will work.

    The Sigma lens hood though fits over the lens on special flanges, that make it easier to attach/take off than a screw-on filter. I think it may also be possible to put on any filter and then also the lens hood as a result, though I'm not 100% sure about that.

    Something that I like using in place of both a UV filter and a lens hood is this 49mm screw-on fast-cap:

    OP/TECH USA Fast Cap with Metal Ring

    It adds some depth in front of the lens which acts like a shallow lens hood. Also because the well where the front element sits is deeper, it's a bit more protected - and because it's also a lens cap when not shooting the lens is sealed away and protected totally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgelner View Post
    You can buy any 49mm filter, they all will work.

    The Sigma lens hood though fits over the lens on special flanges, that make it easier to attach/take off than a screw-on filter. I think it may also be possible to put on any filter and then also the lens hood as a result, though I'm not 100% sure about that.

    Something that I like using in place of both a UV filter and a lens hood is this 49mm screw-on fast-cap:

    OP/TECH USA Fast Cap with Metal Ring

    It adds some depth in front of the lens which acts like a shallow lens hood. Also because the well where the front element sits is deeper, it's a bit more protected - and because it's also a lens cap when not shooting the lens is sealed away and protected totally.
    Could you show a picture how it looks on the DP1/2M?

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    Personally, I'm glad I just went for the bog-standard Sigma 49mm filter and Sigma lens hood.

    Apart from anything else I think the lens hood actually looks good.

    On top of that I also bought an OP/TECH USA Hood Hat (I think the Mini size) which fits perfectly over both the lens hood and the filter meaning I don't have to fiddle with (and probably lose) the lens cap.

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    Good grief! That is a serious road vehicle!

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    That's a serious off-road vehicle.

    It can operate submerged up to ~the bottom of the air intake on the front. It has a 27.6" forging depth.

    Military-type vehicle Pinzgauer Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinzgau...errain_Vehicle

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    Hi,

    I also got my DP-2M last week and had first tests last week in Switzerland.

    My first very positive feelings :
    - amazing details and no image defaults
    - I am confident it will deliver better landscape images that any dslr I had before, and the pocket size is a miracle
    - I don't care about speed limitations (AF, Write) or lack of viewfinder, I am used with more painful cameras, and what counts for me is the absolute IQ it can deliver. I am not interested in getting easily a decent image.

    Main only concern :
    - I am very disappointed by the Sigma Photo Pro which seems to be the weak point of the system in terms of IQ. I don't care about huge treatment times, limited features. The issue is that the software systematically applies some treatment on the image, and that the result is often far from the initial true raw quality that appears during 0,5-1 second : colors become less accurate, contrast becomes ugly in some situations (especially in portraits). Some corrections can be made that limit the negative impact (also highlight correction is very good), these corrections can work on landscapes but not on skin. I really miss the true neutral treatment.

    Any tip is very welcome !

    Many thanks to all for this thread that made me discover this great camera !
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    A test near Montreux and the nice village of Les Diablerets
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    Your images look great OliverM...... you can select the degree of processing SPP applies or set up a adjustment treatment of your own.

    I would suggest if you are not already doing it to shoot in Neutral color mode and I even use AWB for my scenics as well. When I import the file into SPP I do very little except a slight movement of the color wheel adjustment 1/2 way out to 0300. Then export a full size or 1/2 size 16bit out to be finessed in Capture One or Aperture depending on my needs or wants. I have CS6 but avoid using it unless I absolutely have to.

    I hear all the complaints about SPP but for me and my scenics I find I have to do extremely little PP in SPP or the other PP softwares with these images. For me it is just a RAW conversion process to TIFF basically.I also only do scenics and avoid people in my images like I avoid CS6 so I cannot comment on skin tones and such.

    I am with you though....... the DP Merrill's are awesome tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by OliverM View Post
    The issue is that the software systematically applies some treatment on the image, and that the result is often far from the initial true raw quality that appears during 0,5-1 second : colors become less accurate, contrast becomes ugly in some situations (especially in portraits). Some corrections can be made that limit the negative impact (also highlight correction is very good), these corrections can work on landscapes but not on skin. I really miss the true neutral treatment.
    You may already know this but the software remembers your last settings and applies them to any subsequent photograph. Personally, I usually hit reset before processing a picture to completely zero-base it.

    BTW, I really like the hut picture. I bet that would blow up to an incredible print.

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    Thanks Jim,

    for landscapes it's fine and I achieve what I want with the combination of SPP & Lightroom.

    SPP processing, all to zero, whatever the mode (neutral, std, portrait, ...), even with contrast & sharpening to minimum, give a too digital look, hard tones, that is not there when the picture is displayed at the very beginning ... we can get more from the raw file by applying less treatments.

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    Oliver what happens if you move the adjustment mode slider to file .... is it still too much?

    I would think the "file" setting is what you are seeing the first 5 seconds...... I am just throwing suggestions out there for ya. I threw a "eyeball" shot into SPP which has some skin tones around it and the "file" setting skin looked good... auto turned slightly green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    I would suggest if you are not already doing it to shoot in Neutral color mode and I even use AWB for my scenics as well.
    If you're shooting in daylight change the WB to daylight and do a comparison with AWB. You'll realize how poorly the DPMs handle AWB.

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    @Oliver
    Yes the software does some automatic changes. always...
    some say that what you see first is the embedded jpg (which has gone thru the jpg engine and isnt what the raw looks like) and after that there is the raw which looks "different"

    in my opinion spp is applying some kind of range enhancement, which isnt really nice.

    and remember: what you see in spp is NOT exactly what you get in the file. Especially the dark parts can look really bad in spp and are better in the saved "developed" image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OliverM View Post
    ...SPP processing, all to zero, whatever the mode (neutral, std, portrait, ...), even with contrast & sharpening to minimum, give a too digital look, hard tones, that is not there when the picture is displayed at the very beginning...
    Yes, the image you see for a second or so is the embedded JPG. The main SPP window (not the window for the single image) has a menu choice to save the JPG.

    With Sharpening at -1.0, Chroma noise reduction at the left and Luminance NR at the second from left spot, I get plenty of detail but not that plastic Bayer look.

    You can leave a little highlight clipping in the less important parts of an image in SPP, export a TIF file, and feed that into Raw Therapee, for example. A slight reduction of exposure in RT - typically as little as -0.05 - will cure the clipping.
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    Charles2, I just set up a still life and PP in SPP then C1P7 (next to nothing in C1 actually was needed) using your suggested settings and the ones I have been using. The image processed with your setting looks far better (detailed) than what I had. Thanks a lot for the heads up. I have been using Sony gear so long the idea of turning down noise reduction to minus setting never even crossed my mind.

    Thanks for the heads up..... those settings are saved.

    Kirk I have tried "AWB" and "individual WB settings" and so far (Have only had it for a short time) have not had an issue with either way. WB is one of the first things I check going in on a RAW conversion so changing it is never a issue if needed. I am still shifting back and forth from neutral to standard as well as I have not fully decided which I am liking better.... seems to change from image to image but it is very easily changed in SPP either way.

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    Think it is too sharp? Print!

    Another point about sharp resolution: looking at the image on the monitor may be too much resolution for your taste. When you print, the Foveon realism will be there but the over-sharpness will not.

    I usually use Neutral color mode, but sometimes Portrait is nice even whe the scene is not a portrait, provided I reduce Saturation to -0.2.

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    Thanks for your points.
    I get MUCH better results while playing with the different tools :
    - reduce the apparent contrast with exposure/shadows/fill light
    - contrast reduced to -0,1
    - AWB
    - portrait colors for portraits
    - some more corrections in Lightroom.
    I still think more is les and would like a true neutral mode, but at least when working more on SPP I can get very decent portraits, on top of the excellent landscapes.

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    Oh, forgot to mention : also applied the NR reduction as you indicated, I didn't thinkk it would influence in a such positive way !

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    Fantastic results, Oliver!

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    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    Could you show a picture how it looks on the DP1/2M?
    Sure, there's a set of images here showing the OpTech Fast-Cap on a DP-1M and a DP-2M (although the cameras look identical), also shots with the John Milch grip from these forums, and the Really Right Stuff grip attached also.

    Sigma DP Merrill Accessories - a set on Flickr




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    Another newbie here.

    Do any of you have trouble using the LCD screen in bright sunlight ?

    If so, what is/are your solutions.

    I often shoot with th Sun at my back.

    Thanks

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    Here's a few captures from my 1st several uses with the Merrill
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    A few more
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    1832 railroad ticket booth in Old New Castle Delaware.... it was one very friggin cold day yesterday out there due to a windchill of 5 degrees....... I did not linger long out there ...



    Charles2 this was post processed in SPP with those new settings you posted. I shot it in neutral but changed it to standard in SPP... just seemed to like the warmer tone better..... maybe it was because I was still frozen and not fully thawed...

    Something is odd when posted here from photobucket with the whites... did not look that way on my desktop... it needs some finesse yet.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    Another newbie here.

    Do any of you have trouble using the LCD screen in bright sunlight ?

    If so, what is/are your solutions.

    I often shoot with th Sun at my back.

    Thanks
    I believe everyone has this problem. The solution for me is a viewfinder for the Sigma, & the Sony NEX.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Thanks to the 2 of you for your suggestions.

    Only problem with the Viewfinder is that you do not know where your focus point actually is w/o referring back to the LCD screen.

    It's a shame that Sigma does not make a hotshoe mountable EVF like some of the other manufacturers.

    That would be a huge improvement IMO.

    All that said I still love using and working with this little miracle of a camera.

    The image quality makes it worth the extra trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    Thanks to the 2 of you for your suggestions.

    Only problem with the Viewfinder is that you do not know where your focus point actually is w/o referring back to the LCD screen.

    It's a shame that Sigma does not make a hotshoe mountable EVF like some of the other manufacturers.

    That would be a huge improvement IMO.

    All that said I still love using and working with this little miracle of a camera.

    The image quality makes it worth the extra trouble.
    You are right, of course. I have started to trust that the central focus point is reasonably close to the center of the frame in the viewfinder, and so far....so good!

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    I think that works in some instances but not all.

    I am working on some other solutions although that may be my fall back option.

    It is good to hear people's experiences with a variety of answers.

    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mezzoduomo View Post
    You are right, of course. I have started to trust that the central focus point is reasonably close to the center of the frame in the viewfinder, and so far....so good!
    +1 for me. I do the same-viewfinder plus center for focus. Works fine for me. The LCD drove me crazy in bright sun

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