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    Just trying out some monochrome workflows using the DP0Q. Shot this using camera monochrome in raw mode. Processed in SPP 6.4 and applied a custom warm/neutral split tone in LR.



    Same as above but used a mild selenium/neutral split tone in LR.

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    A few walkabout shots at the local marina with the DP0Q.







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    Gloomy Sunday. Broughton Grange, Oxfordshire. Stephen Hester's gaff. Ex CEO RBS bank.

    After shooting loads of dp0Q pics, I gotta say, the Quattro images just don't match the Merrill images for every day, practical shooting. Look closely and there is too much noise all over the shadows and no amount of faffing around in SPP and LR solves the problem. And as for photos of people, forget it as skin is either sandpaper or a deathly, Madame Tussauds wax works. I want a dp0 with a Merrill sensor. This dp0 Quattro is the last (new) Sigma camera I'll ever buy until Sigma come to their senses and return to fitting Merrill sensors in their cameras.


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    A field of sunflowers. Developed in SPP 6.4 and processed "Realistic" in Aurora HDR Pro. Colors are over stated, but highlights were preserved with minimal clipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    A field of sunflowers. Developed in SPP 6.4 and processed "Realistic" in Aurora HDR Pro. Colors are over stated, but highlights were preserved with minimal clipping.
    I don't know if it's your style or maybe your monitor is very contrasty, but your images often have strongly lifted shadows which makes them kind of flat. I noticed it in your Merrill and Quattro images. Is this something that you "apply" to your images in general?
    (no offence, i'm just interested )

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    Quote Originally Posted by furtle View Post
    After shooting loads of dp0Q pics, I gotta say, the Quattro images just don't match the Merrill images for every day, practical shooting. Look closely and there is too much noise all over the shadows and no amount of faffing around in SPP and LR solves the problem. And as for photos of people, forget it as skin is either sandpaper or a deathly, Madame Tussauds wax works. I want a dp0 with a Merrill sensor. This dp0 Quattro is the last (new) Sigma camera I'll ever buy until Sigma come to their senses and return to fitting Merrill sensors in their cameras.
    Yeah. I just sold my dp0 Quattro.
    I have to say, it's a good feeling now that i can concentrate in photography again instead of testing and fighting and trying to like it.
    Quattro isn't for me, its image quality isn't good enough for my purposes.

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    "Testing and fighting and trying to like it.
    Quattro isn't for me, its image quality isn't good enough for my purposes"

    This. The same for me. Producing the photo shouldn't be so difficult and when it is done, the doubts over quality remain.

    Sometimes, if the Gods Line up, the dp0 can deliver but only for select subject matters. The trouble is it disappoints more often than it satisfies.

    I'm sure if you are one to take pics of charts, stone walls and cats etc you can prove the Quattro is the best Sigma camera ever made but in practical day to day use it is just frustrating, particularly as I know I don't have those frustrations with my DP2 &3 Merrills.

    I'm keeping my dp0 because the lens is great and in a very narrow field of operation it can work. And who knows, Sigma may finally give us a version of SPP that we can live with for processing more that half a dozen pics in one session before we go nuts and a version that improves the final image quality.
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    Re: Sigma DP0 Quattro shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneage View Post
    I don't know if it's your style or maybe your monitor is very contrasty, but your images often have strongly lifted shadows which makes them kind of flat. I noticed it in your Merrill and Quattro images. Is this something that you "apply" to your images in general?
    (no offence, i'm just interested )
    Sorry, can't help you. My monitor is calibrated with normal contrast and brightness. The Sigma images do not look any different to my other images in terms of contrast and do not appear "flat" looking to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Sorry, can't help you. My monitor is calibrated with normal contrast and brightness. The Sigma images do not look any different to my other images in terms of contrast and do not appear "flat" looking to me.
    Thanks. Yes, "flat" is maybe not the right word. It's more like an HDR look. Could be a processing style, i don't know. If you look at "furtle's" last image in this thread (the shadows), then it's obvious what i mean.
    Again, non-judgemental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneage View Post
    Thanks. Yes, "flat" is maybe not the right word. It's more like an HDR look. Could be a processing style, i don't know. If you look at "furtle's" last image in this thread (the shadows), then it's obvious what i mean.
    Again, non-judgemental.
    I see what you mean. I like to preserve shadow detail and do not like clipping to pure black in the shadows just to get more contrast, particularly with foveon sensors - too stark looking for my taste. I don't use HDR very often (exception was the last sunflowers image) except where needed to balance the scene
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    DPO as X-pan substitute.
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    Borage. Another grey day.

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    Two more from a road trip.
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    A few supermarket snaps with the DP0Q.





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    Hidcote Manor



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    Looking towards Brailes Hill, Warwickshire.



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    Blustons, Kentish Town, England was until it closed last year (2015) was a rare example of an arcade shop and as such was afforded a Grade II listing. Unfortunately, it sat empty for a while but it has recently opened again and appears to be continuing in the 'smattah' (Yiddish for clothing) business - just like it had been since 1932. It is great to see this iconic shop in use again.

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    A Sigma dp0 Quattro photo of some swans for your inspection, shot at 1/320 sec, f13, AE = 0, ISO 200. The camera has the latest firmware. SPP = Ver 6.3.2 All SPP setting are centred and both noise are far left buttons. This photo is not for artistic merit (pretty much goes for all my pics )

    Exported from SPP to jpeg and sized for uploading here in Lightroom with no adjustments. Below are some Lightroom 100% screen grabs.

    Here is the original Sigma raw file to download if you wish: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...7/SDIM1020.X3F



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    Hi,

    I had another go at these same crops, using SPP6.4 and Daylight WB. Thanks for the opportunity to contribute.

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    Thank you TN Args. A while back, I too did have another crack at that file and got a small improvement, as you have. But that shot was taken at a f/13 and I think this is the problem as it looks like diffraction is ruining the image. I now never use a smaller aperture than f/6.3 on the dp0Q. Plenty of DoF even at f/4.5. If I need something at the front of the image to be in focus with a good DoF , I'll step back and crop later. Looking back, I ruined a lot of photo opportunities in places I'll probably not re-visit.

    Also, I've screwed up a lot of images using SPP with the wrong settings for the Quattro. I now start with Chroma and Luminance at second from right and sharpness at -2.0. Crispy, I normally leave in the middle. The rest I do in Lightroom.
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    Citroen heaven - and a blown highlight in the sky (ah well, it's a Quattro and I was careless)

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    Kiftsgate Court Garden, Glos.



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    Harvest landscape looking towards Brailes Hill, Warwickshire



    and my walking companion, Maisie.

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    St Leonard's Church, Flamstead, Hertfordshire. 11th century church.

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    Should have removed the blue rubbish on the stile, never mind

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    One final shot from Flamstead last week. These must have been the best looking, insect free roses I have seen in a long time.

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    Tucking into some of their 2015 Rose. Their white is russety and dangerously good. Banyuls wine and in my books, worth a punt.

    Domaine da le Rectorie

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    Biglouis and I seem to be the only mugs to plug away with the dp0 Quattro.



    In case you are passing, I can recommend Restaurant Buvette for lunch. Simple but excellent. Chose the rose over the white.
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    One more. Viaduc Millau over Tarn River, Peyre, France.

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    You are not completely alone with your dp0's

    Adelaide Hills in August

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    A little early fall color in the hills above Erin, NY near Stoney Ridge Orchard.





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    Haven't posted here in a while. Here is an autumnal scene with morning fog in the valley. Warwickshire. Cotswolds Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. Or the tatty end of the Cotswolds.

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    ^^^ Excellent ^^^

    Well worth looking at on Flickr at full screen size, or full size. This is where any Sigma DP really shines. I suspect you'd have to be using a MF camera to get anywhere close to the IQ at 100%

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    ^^^ Excellent ^^^

    Well worth looking at on Flickr at full screen size, or full size. This is where any Sigma DP really shines. I suspect you'd have to be using a MF camera to get anywhere close to the IQ at 100%

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    Two shots, DP0Q, Phoenix Road, Somers Town, London.



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    Abbaye de Fontfroide, Languedoc- Roussillon, France

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    The DP0Q remains the most precocious, erratic, fickle, annoying and unpredictable camera that ever produced a fine photograph that makes you want to keep it rather than toss it in the bin. Is there a cure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    The DP0Q remains the most precocious, erratic, fickle, annoying and unpredictable camera that ever produced a fine photograph that makes you want to keep it rather than toss it in the bin. Is there a cure?
    Let me know if you find the cure. I am still afflicted.

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    This photo of Louis' reminds me of one of mine from a meditation garden.

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    [QUOTE=biglouis;708207]The DP0Q remains the most precocious, erratic, fickle, annoying and unpredictable camera that ever produced a fine photograph that makes you want to keep it rather than toss it in the bin. Is there a cure?

    That's the best review I've read for the dp0 Quattro. Short, accurate and to the point. Many camera scribblers could learn a lot from that. Oh, you know the answer. Perhaps you could start a therapy group?
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    The evening light vanishes rapidly now. A quick landscape grabbed for its colour. 5 minutes later it was gone and a cold night or two and the last of the bronze leaves will be on the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    The DP0Q remains the most precocious, erratic, fickle, annoying and unpredictable camera that ever produced a fine photograph that makes you want to keep it rather than toss it in the bin. Is there a cure?

    That's the best review I've read for the dp0 Quattro. Short, accurate and to the point. Many camera scribblers could learn a lot from that. Oh, you know the answer. Perhaps you could start a therapy group?
    Written when I was depressed about a set of photos I had taken with the DP0Q which were bad, then processed the Pie Shop photo which was good. The only camera which has a split personality. Dammit.

    Another two from Royal College Street in Camden Town, on an afternoon when the camera worked well. If anyone can explain why one day it produces trash and the next day pearls I would love to hear it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    "..precocious, erratic, fickle, annoying and unpredictable camera..."
    Is there a cure?
    If anyone can explain why one day it produces trash and the next day pearls I would love to hear it.
    You forgot "ugly"

    My explanation (rant): The Quattro cameras have a very limited comfort zone. They always try to make "happy, colorful and sharp postcards" and then they fail if the conditions are not perfect or the dynamic range exceeds 5-6 stops.
    My DP0Q also always wanted to be in the range of F4 to maximum F8. I don't know why, but F11 with the Quattros look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneage View Post
    You forgot "ugly"

    My explanation (rant): The Quattro cameras have a very limited comfort zone. They always try to make "happy, colorful and sharp postcards" and then they fail if the conditions are not perfect or the dynamic range exceeds 5-6 stops.
    My DP0Q also always wanted to be in the range of F4 to maximum F8. I don't know why, but F11 with the Quattros look bad.
    Above f8 I find the Quattro suffers terribly from diffraction. Mushy, horrible photos. In fact the sweet spot really is f4 and maybe f5.6.

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    long time ago I learned about lenses 135 you can use up to f8, 120 up to f16 or f22 and LF to f64 if it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Above f8 I find the Quattro suffers terribly from diffraction. Mushy, horrible photos. In fact the sweet spot really is f4 and maybe f5.6.
    Not surprising, really. At f/11 the aperture is about 1/20".

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    Paddock near Hamley Bridge

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